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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 29, 2021 21:52:31 GMT
Surely every lower league top goal scorer is a "gem" and the players who are not on loan are clearly not already signed to Premier League clubs? The issue is that we've lost the ability to sign any potential gems, not that there's no around to sign.
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Post by pirate on Nov 29, 2021 23:43:11 GMT
The reason we can’t find strikers like we used to: Before Bristol Rovers found gems in non league and developed them and sold them on at a profit, or got good mileage from them eg Pritchard. Or, they developed youth players. Now Premier league clubs find gems in youth and non league, add them to their 180 man squad. These gems are loaned out to teams like Rovers merely for experience and then retained if any good (and avoiding having to pay us a transfer fee) or sold back to us for a couple of hundred thousand if they don’t want them. Any youth or non league players we have access to now are the ones the big clubs don’t want to add to their army division size squads and are therefore often unlikely to be good enough. The game has changed, the model has shifted to work for the big teams. Under this model it actually probably pays, in the absence of a decent stadium or academy, to be a feeder club for a prem team. Loanees from the prem are like the players we used to sign out of non league. Don’t like it? Don’t pay for sky, don’t attend pizza cup games. Don’t watch champions league. Be vocal about teams having squad size limits. Thats all you can do. Plenty of gems out there to be found in non-league. Got to be proactive and quick off the mark to find them though, because more and more bigger clubs are looking lower as you said.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Nov 30, 2021 5:08:23 GMT
The reason we can’t find strikers like we used to: Before Bristol Rovers found gems in non league and developed them and sold them on at a profit, or got good mileage from them eg Pritchard. Or, they developed youth players. Now Premier league clubs find gems in youth and non league, add them to their 180 man squad. These gems are loaned out to teams like Rovers merely for experience and then retained if any good (and avoiding having to pay us a transfer fee) or sold back to us for a couple of hundred thousand if they don’t want them. Any youth or non league players we have access to now are the ones the big clubs don’t want to add to their army division size squads and are therefore often unlikely to be good enough. The game has changed, the model has shifted to work for the big teams. Under this model it actually probably pays, in the absence of a decent stadium or academy, to be a feeder club for a prem team. Loanees from the prem are like the players we used to sign out of non league. Don’t like it? Don’t pay for sky, don’t attend pizza cup games. Don’t watch champions league. Be vocal about teams having squad size limits. Thats all you can do. Plenty of gems out there to be found in non-league. Got to be proactive and quick off the mark to find them though, because more and more bigger clubs are looking lower as you said. And the majority of the ones that are out there scoring lots of goals will cost a few hundred thousand, if not more (In the National leagues for example). When you haven't broken your transfer record for 30 odd years you don't have much chance in getting these players.
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Post by pirate on Nov 30, 2021 5:41:09 GMT
Plenty of gems out there to be found in non-league. Got to be proactive and quick off the mark to find them though, because more and more bigger clubs are looking lower as you said. And the majority of the ones that are out there scoring lots of goals will cost a few hundred thousand, if not more (In the National leagues for example). When you haven't broken your transfer record for 30 odd years you don't have much chance in getting these players. If you want the best ones in the National League's then naturally you will have to pay, but that has always been the case. It was nearly 25 years ago we payed £250k for Barry Hayles in the then Conference and not long after that we paid £150k for Nathan Ellington who was even further down the pyramid in the Isthmian League. When I say proactive and quick off the mark, you don't have to be spending big money if you are smart and do your due diligence. There are good players in the nonleague pyramid that might not be contracted, or ones doing the business in youth teams that you need to be aware of that you can develop. You also then need a manager willing to give these sort of players a chance.
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Post by herbertblake on Nov 30, 2021 8:29:05 GMT
I heard Gloucester City have a talented striker called Ollie Hulbert.
Might be worth looking at!
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Post by pirate on Nov 30, 2021 10:33:52 GMT
I heard Gloucester City have a talented striker called Ollie Hulbert. Might be worth looking at! Should be back here and given a chance in our team.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 30, 2021 14:08:15 GMT
I heard Gloucester City have a talented striker called Ollie Hulbert. Might be worth looking at! Should be back here and given a chance in our team. What would you say the difference is between Phillips and Hulbert? both have impressive records 7 in 7 and 8 in 8 in their most recent loans stints
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Post by pirate on Nov 30, 2021 14:11:47 GMT
Should be back here and given a chance in our team. What would you say the difference is between Phillips and Hulbert? both have impressive records 7 in 7 and 8 in 8 in their most recent loans stints Hulbert is physically bigger and scored goals at a higher level.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 30, 2021 14:29:00 GMT
What would you say the difference is between Phillips and Hulbert? both have impressive records 7 in 7 and 8 in 8 in their most recent loans stints Hulbert is physically bigger and scored goals at a higher level. I knew you would know mate, Thanks bud
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Post by Quarters on Nov 30, 2021 14:37:18 GMT
Are we playing a system that would create chances for these two in the way they play?
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Post by pirate on Nov 30, 2021 14:44:11 GMT
Are we playing a system that would create chances for these two in the way they play? We've had 41 goal attempts in our last 3 matches which would suggest we are creating chances. Would someone like Hulbert offer more mobility and ability to press from the front and a different type of forward option to what we have available? Yes.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Nov 30, 2021 16:26:59 GMT
Are we playing a system that would create chances for these two in the way they play? We've had 41 goal attempts in our last 3 matches which would suggest we are creating chances. Would someone like Hulbert offer more mobility and ability to press from the front and a different type of forward option to what we have available? Yes. I've not seen him play but I'm a bit surprised he hasn't been recalled. His goal record on loan is impressive and (I think) he's playing and scoring at the same level as Ayunga was when we signed him. If we're serious about creating a pathway for youngsters into the first team surely this was the exact time he should have been given a chance
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Post by bobbyjones on Nov 30, 2021 16:54:24 GMT
We've had 41 goal attempts in our last 3 matches which would suggest we are creating chances. Would someone like Hulbert offer more mobility and ability to press from the front and a different type of forward option to what we have available? Yes. I've not seen him play but I'm a bit surprised he hasn't been recalled. His goal record on loan is impressive and (I think) he's playing and scoring at the same level as Ayunga was when we signed him. If we're serious about creating a pathway for youngsters into the first team surely this was the exact time he should have been given a chance Agreed, spot on my friend.
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Post by mftc on Dec 1, 2021 8:06:29 GMT
We've had 41 goal attempts in our last 3 matches which would suggest we are creating chances. Would someone like Hulbert offer more mobility and ability to press from the front and a different type of forward option to what we have available? Yes. I've not seen him play but I'm a bit surprised he hasn't been recalled. His goal record on loan is impressive and (I think) he's playing and scoring at the same level as Ayunga was when we signed him. If we're serious about creating a pathway for youngsters into the first team surely this was the exact time he should have been given a chance And Ayunga was in a top 4 side, whereas Hulbert is bottom 2. It would be interesting to see how many of Hulberts goals have been assisted by Tomlinson?
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Post by kentgas on Dec 4, 2021 16:00:38 GMT
Gloucester 1-0 halftime
Hulbert!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 16:24:12 GMT
And the majority of the ones that are out there scoring lots of goals will cost a few hundred thousand, if not more (In the National leagues for example). When you haven't broken your transfer record for 30 odd years you don't have much chance in getting these players. If you want the best ones in the National League's then naturally you will have to pay, but that has always been the case. It was nearly 25 years ago we payed £250k for Barry Hayles in the then Conference and not long after that we paid £150k for Nathan Ellington who was even further down the pyramid in the Isthmian League. When I say proactive and quick off the mark, you don't have to be spending big money if you are smart and do your due diligence. There are good players in the nonleague pyramid that might not be contracted, or ones doing the business in youth teams that you need to be aware of that you can develop. You also then need a manager willing to give these sort of players a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 16:33:51 GMT
It seems to be easy for us to bring through Defenders. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Then think we are the big team and sign and attract strikers from other clubs. Don’t know the answer but I can see goalkeeping coaches, defences coaches, can’t think of too many out and out goal scoring coaches.
Is this the problem.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 4, 2021 20:38:37 GMT
Gloucester 1-0 halftime Hulbert!! At this rate he ll have 15 by January 😄🏴☠️
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Post by herbertblake on Dec 4, 2021 21:41:10 GMT
Surely Hulbert must be recalled to be given an opportunity at Rovers.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Dec 13, 2021 12:13:59 GMT
Richard Walker came on for 20 minutes Sat for Beer Albion Reserves.Two down but they then drew 2-2.His sons are both the Full Backs.
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