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Post by bluestickgas1 on Dec 6, 2021 14:10:07 GMT
I see you refrained from commenting on our deserved win Saturday? opting to just come on here after to bash Barton some more? It was the anniversary of my Mother's death, so I had other things to do on Saturday. Thanks for being so utterly obsessed with me you kept tabs on my posting habits though. Always tough when these things are at this time of year - just keep strong and remember all the good times you had with her and no doubt the wonderful loving mum she was... Hopefully we can get 3 points tomorrow night to bring a bit of cheer to you...
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Post by gillygas07 on Dec 6, 2021 14:10:08 GMT
And that's why we should get back to doing what we do best, getting behind the Manager, and the squad tomorrow night. Yep Great Manager on and off the pitch ! Superb Ambassador for Bristol Rovers football club that young fans can look up to , surely if he’s still here this time next year he will be granted the freedom of Bristol!
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Post by SleepyGas on Dec 6, 2021 14:11:53 GMT
Presumably there is still the chance of FA or EFL action over this incident though? So to go back to the football analogy, Barton's got a winner but there will be a VAR check Can't see how the FA or EFL can take any action - Barton has been cleared of any wrongdoing in court so in the eyes of the law he has nothing to answer for. How can the FA or EFL then take action against him when he's 'done nothing wrong' here? Remember when John Terry was accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand? He was found "Not Guilty" in court, but was then fined and banned by the FA If the EFL/FA seek to charge Barton it won't be for "assault occasioning actual bodily harm", it could be for any number of things where the criteria for a guilty verdict are not quite so difficult to achieve (eg. the next to impossible burden of proving intent).
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 6, 2021 14:13:03 GMT
Don t want to upset the anti joey brigade on here but the next court case has less evidence than this one, not condoning domestic violence abhorrent but being factual.
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Post by northseagas on Dec 6, 2021 14:15:40 GMT
The “hate Barton “ club will be sick tonight 🤣🤣
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 6, 2021 14:16:48 GMT
Like him or not JB has had this case hanging over him for two and a half years. Irrespective of the pandemic, the longest case time ever for Sheffield crown court. After nine witnesses being called by the prosecution and apart from JB no witnesses put forward by the defence, the jury returned a unanimous verdict of not guilty after an hour and a half of deliberation. I think the EFL/FA will do themselves no favours in pursuing any action against JB considering those facts and would ask the question of what any action would achieve.
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Post by RD on Dec 6, 2021 14:16:57 GMT
Don t want to upset the anti joey brigade on here but the next court case has less evidence than this one, not condoning domestic violence abhorrent but being factual. The “hate Barton “ club will be sick tonight 🤣🤣 Honestly. This place is such a f**king sh*thole.
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Post by curlywurly on Dec 6, 2021 14:17:16 GMT
Can't see how the FA or EFL can take any action - Barton has been cleared of any wrongdoing in court so in the eyes of the law he has nothing to answer for. How can the FA or EFL then take action against him when he's 'done nothing wrong' here? Just speculating, but in the eyes of the EFL/FA there might be other offences with a different burden of proof. For example, bringing the game into disrepute. Ben Stokes was fined £30,000 and got a retrospective 8-match ban by the ECB after he was acquitted in court of affray. I don't see what additional proof the EFL or FA could use in this respect. Thy will usually only act if there is a referee's report or perhaps video evidence. In this case there are neither and the only witness that came forward was Barnsley's intern analyst, whose evidence it would appear the jury chose to play down.
In Ben Stokes' case (+ Alex Hales), there was very public video of the incident in question. The CDC determined that Stokes and Hales brought the game into disrepute as the videoed incident occurred while on England duty, late at night and involved alcohol, breaching behaviour rules.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 6, 2021 14:19:23 GMT
What a complete waste of tax payers money ! It’s not up for the CPS to decide who’s guilty or not it’s for a jury as they have done in this case. A legal system where all the people who stood trial were pronounced guilty would be a flawed legal system indeed. Going purely based on the press reporting and the fact it only took the jury an hour to return a unanimous verdict it does beg the question whether the evidence was strong enough to make it to court in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 14:19:34 GMT
The “hate Barton “ club will be sick tonight 🤣🤣 There is no divide.
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Post by RD on Dec 6, 2021 14:19:49 GMT
Just speculating, but in the eyes of the EFL/FA there might be other offences with a different burden of proof. For example, bringing the game into disrepute. Ben Stokes was fined £30,000 and got a retrospective 8-match ban by the ECB after he was acquitted in court of affray. I don't see what additional proof the EFL or FA could use in this respect. Thy will usually only act if there is a referee's report or perhaps video evidence. In this case there are neither and the only witness that came forward was Barnsley's intern analyst, whose evidence it would appear the jury chose to play down.
In Ben Stokes' case (+ Alex Hales), there was very public video of the incident in question. The CDC determined that Stokes and Hales brought the game into disrepute as the videoed incident occurred while on England duty, late at night and involved alcohol, breaching behaviour rules. I think this is the crux of it. Barton was alleged to have "attacked" Stendel - a jury have decided otherwise. As you rightly point out, the difference is that the video of Stokes bought the sport in to disrepute, so effectively became a separate charge. Following the jury's verdict, the only thing Barton is "guilty" of is being blamed for something he didn't do - so not directly comparable. Interesting discussion though!
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Post by RD on Dec 6, 2021 14:23:20 GMT
It’s not up for the CPS to decide who’s guilty or not it’s for a jury as they have done in this case. A legal system where all the people who stood trial were pronounced guilty would be a flawed legal system indeed. Going purely based on the press reporting and the fact it only took the jury an hour to return a unanimous verdict it does beg the question whether the evidence was strong enough to make it to court in the first place. Indeed. It's a funny one though - if you, I or someone we loved were assaulted, we'd want it to go to court - irrespective of a lack of witnesses/proof. If the line gets moved so things can only go to court if there's overwhelming evidence, we'd see a huge drop in crime (and a rise in criminal masterminds!). Not ideal don't get me wrong - but in this case I actually think the legal system did it's job. Clearly Stendel got hurt (teeth knocked out!) so it was either by accident or it was someone/something else (tripped without realising etc.). It wasn't like it was a completely fictitious story. The key thing is, a jury of 10 people unanimously cleared him of any wrong-doing. That's the main thing.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Dec 6, 2021 14:31:00 GMT
Presumably there is still the chance of FA or EFL action over this incident though? So to go back to the football analogy, Barton's got a winner but there will be a VAR check How on earth could the EFL, FA take action on a crown court case that he was proven to be not guilty of by 10 to 0. He was not "proven to be not guilty", it's just that the evidence was too weak to find him guilty "beyond reasonable doubt", they are very different things
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Post by seanclevedongas on Dec 6, 2021 14:32:19 GMT
The “hate Barton “ club will be sick tonight 🤣🤣 Does that make you happy?
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 6, 2021 14:34:37 GMT
Don t want to upset the anti joey brigade on here but the next court case has less evidence than this one, not condoning domestic violence abhorrent but being factual. The “hate Barton “ club will be sick tonight 🤣🤣 Honestly. This place is such a f**king sh*thole. Its so predictable
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 6, 2021 14:35:06 GMT
Did he have his teeth knocked out or just chip a tooth, if that, as precise details were never reported from the trial.
I wonder where this now leaves Stendel's reputation, as the jury clearly didn't believe he was telling the truth.
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Post by richhertford on Dec 6, 2021 14:37:01 GMT
Good News for our legal system. Nothing to see here. Back to the football and winning matches. Time to focus on rebuilding our club. Port Vale next. Surely both guilty and not guilty verdicts are “Good News for our legal system” as it shows that the jury could reach a conclusion. A guilty verdict is better for the system as it would show that the state were right to prosecute. A not guilty verdict is probably good news for people that want him at the club but bad for those that don’t. Let’s be clear ….. this is not a victory for the British people. Most of the population could not give two hoots either way Couldn’t agree more with this. Points well made. Time to focus on matches now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 14:38:54 GMT
Stendels prosecution were reported to be 'toothless' Yep, and Stendel was spitting blood when he heard the verdict.
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Post by gillygas07 on Dec 6, 2021 14:40:29 GMT
Did he have his teeth knocked out or just chip a tooth, if that, as precise details were never reported from the trial. I wonder where this now leaves Stendel's reputation, as the jury clearly didn't believe he was telling the truth. Even with a not guilty verdict I think it’s obvious who most people would choose to believe..
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Post by Okebournegas on Dec 6, 2021 14:45:20 GMT
Don t want to upset the anti joey brigade on here but the next court case has less evidence than this one, not condoning domestic violence abhorrent but being factual. The “hate Barton “ club will be sick tonight 🤣🤣 Honestly. This place is such a f**king sh*thole. Ignore the pr1cks mate , they’re just looking for a rise. Hope everything went ok over the weekend and you and your family are feeling ok.
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