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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 6, 2021 16:30:12 GMT
I am not dressing anything up and you are correct he was found "not guilty" but that does not mean he was "proven innocent" which is my original point (the law agrees with me) What's the difference between "innocent" and "not guilty"?
In short, "not guilty" is not the same as "innocent." Innocent means that a person did not commit the crime. Not guilty means that the prosecution could not prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a person committed the crime. Therefore, the court does not pronounce someone as “innocent” but rather “not guilty”.
www.amacdonaldlaw.com/blog/2016/may/what-is-the-difference-between-innocent-and-not-/
Not wishing to split hairs, but your source is an American one and is based on the US legal system.
For a more relevant UK based assessment, you might like to consider the following, which was from a UK Supreme Court judgement where the Government tried (and failed) to force compensation claimants to prove their innocence (rather than being found not guilty or having a previous judgement overturned).
Baroness Hale said:
Innocence as such is not a concept known to our criminal justice system. We distinguish between the guilty and the not guilty. A person is only guilty if the state can prove his guilt beyond reasonable doubt. .... If it can be conclusively shown that the state was not entitled to punish a person, it seems to me that he should be entitled to compensation for having been punished. He does not have to prove his innocence at his trial and it seems wrong in principle that he should be required to prove his innocence now.
FROM THE SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT IN R (ADAMS) V SECRETARY OF STATE FOR JUSTICE
As I said in my post above the legal professions favourite word is not innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 16:31:56 GMT
I actually think it is at the moment. Crap football and tedious back and forth about a manager who’s not that good. Boring Earlier in the season i would agree, however the win at Harrogate, the Northampton game and the oxford games were far from boring. He has not completely won me over but it is a sight better. Also he is still a novice manager and hopefully will improve too, if not he will be gone like many others before him. Fair enough mate, I think 3 games is too small a sample size for me to be convinced it’s has been turned around just yet…..hopefully it has.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 6, 2021 16:34:38 GMT
I guess the one thing we can all agree on is…. Ummm… errr…. Uh… anyone? We all hate Da sh** !
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Post by rememberhalifax on Dec 6, 2021 16:40:20 GMT
Interesting legal debate from all you 'Rumpoles'! to add M.H.O, its over so lets move on.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 6, 2021 16:42:40 GMT
Don t want to upset the anti joey brigade on here but the next court case has less evidence than this one, not condoning domestic violence abhorrent but being factual. Possibly, don't understand why the couple whom the Barton's were partying with don't give evidence and clear Joey's name or perhaps they were there and saw nothing. I could make an educated guess who they were, the allegation is horrific and joey deserves to be rightly sacked if he is found guilty.
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 6, 2021 16:51:25 GMT
Possibly, don't understand why the couple whom the Barton's were partying with don't give evidence and clear Joey's name or perhaps they were there and saw nothing. I could make an educated guess who they were, the allegation is horrific and joey deserves to be rightly sacked if he is found guilty. Your educated guess begs the question on why the male member of that couple did not leave the clubs employ last June when the incident occurred rather than a few weeks ago or was it the case of just taking the money until another job came along. Our improvement on the pitch would suggest he was more interested in taking the money than improving our defensive performances.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 17:00:36 GMT
I could make an educated guess who they were, the allegation is horrific and joey deserves to be rightly sacked if he is found guilty. Your educated guess begs the question on why the male member of that couple did not leave the clubs employ last June when the incident occurred rather than a few weeks ago or was it the case of just taking the money until another job came along. Our improvement on the pitch would suggest he was more interested in taking the money than improving our defensive performances. Maybe he wasn’t there and stayed until it got the full picture? Who knows! Certainly nobody on here
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Post by RD on Dec 6, 2021 17:01:15 GMT
That supporting the Gas is never dull? I actually think it is at the moment. Crap football and tedious back and forth about a manager who’s not that good. Boring Touche
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Post by seanclevedongas on Dec 6, 2021 17:01:22 GMT
No it's not me it's the law, please see my previous post on 47 Yes, the law which applies to everybody. ?
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Post by gillygas07 on Dec 6, 2021 17:35:45 GMT
Even with a not guilty verdict I think it’s obvious who most people would choose to believe.. 11 jury members clearly did, taking just 2 hours to come to a verdict suggests they were all pretty much in agreement with each other. perhaps well maybe Daniel Stendel and Barton’s Mrs made it all up !. Must of been the phantom ghost 👻 that mangled the Germans teeth and then kicked his wife in the head , feel sorry for JB to get accused like that ! 🤔
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Post by baggins on Dec 6, 2021 17:41:31 GMT
11 jury members clearly did, taking just 2 hours to come to a verdict suggests they were all pretty much in agreement with each other. perhaps well maybe Daniel Stendel and Barton’s Mrs made it all up !. Must of been the phantom ghost 👻 that mangled the Germans teeth and then kicked his wife in the head , feel sorry for JB to get accused like that ! 🤔 Give it a rest.
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 6, 2021 17:46:12 GMT
11 jury members clearly did, taking just 2 hours to come to a verdict suggests they were all pretty much in agreement with each other. perhaps well maybe Daniel Stendel and Barton’s Mrs made it all up !. Must of been the phantom ghost 👻 that mangled the Germans teeth and then kicked his wife in the head , feel sorry for JB to get accused like that ! 🤔 If I remember correctly, it was widely reported that Barton had viciously attacked Stendel, knocked several teeth out and left him with nasty head injuries. When it came to trial it had suddenly become a shove from behind, let's wait and see what the kick in the head becomes considering like Stendel his wife did not require hospital treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 17:46:55 GMT
I could make an educated guess who they were, the allegation is horrific and joey deserves to be rightly sacked if he is found guilty. Your educated guess begs the question on why the male member of that couple did not leave the clubs employ last June when the incident occurred rather than a few weeks ago or was it the case of just taking the money until another job came along. Our improvement on the pitch would suggest he was more interested in taking the money than improving our defensive performances. Whoever this guy that you are talking about might be, does he have a place in Kew?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 17:52:03 GMT
perhaps well maybe Daniel Stendel and Barton’s Mrs made it all up !. Must of been the phantom ghost 👻 that mangled the Germans teeth and then kicked his wife in the head , feel sorry for JB to get accused like that ! 🤔 If I remember correctly, it was widely reported that Barton had viciously attacked Stendel, knocked several teeth out and left him with nasty head injuries. When it came to trial it had suddenly become a shove from behind, let's wait and see what the kick in the head becomes considering like Stendel his wife did not require hospital treatment. The kick in the head was what he was charged with and said in court. The rumour he attacked Stendel and smashed his teeth out were from Twitter. I appreciate your stance but the two things are very different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 18:02:55 GMT
perhaps well maybe Daniel Stendel and Barton’s Mrs made it all up !. Must of been the phantom ghost 👻 that mangled the Germans teeth and then kicked his wife in the head , feel sorry for JB to get accused like that ! 🤔 If I remember correctly, it was widely reported that Barton had viciously attacked Stendel, knocked several teeth out and left him with nasty head injuries. When it came to trial it had suddenly become a shove from behind, let's wait and see what the kick in the head becomes considering like Stendel his wife did not require hospital treatment. Yep, wives are always phoning the police asking for help then changing their minds about giving evidence. That's why wife-beaters so often get away with it unfortunately and why it's important for this case to proceed. Still, as in the last case the onus will be on the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the injury Mrs Barton suffered was the result of an assault by her husband and no one seems willing to testify to that. Another mysterious injury it would seem.
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Post by The Equaliser on Dec 6, 2021 18:15:06 GMT
If I remember correctly, it was widely reported that Barton had viciously attacked Stendel, knocked several teeth out and left him with nasty head injuries. When it came to trial it had suddenly become a shove from behind, let's wait and see what the kick in the head becomes considering like Stendel his wife did not require hospital treatment. Yep, wives are always phoning the police asking for help then changing their minds about giving evidence. That's why wife-beaters so often get away with it unfortunately and why it's important for this case to proceed. Still, as in the last case the onus will be on the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the injury Mrs Barton suffered was the result of an assault by her husband and no one seems willing to testify to that. Another mysterious injury it would seem. To be fair, this is why this country use unbiased judges and jury’s to decide defendants fate. Rather than ‘the blokes a wrong un, hang the bastard’ techniques some of the general public would prefer.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 6, 2021 18:15:32 GMT
I could make an educated guess who they were, the allegation is horrific and joey deserves to be rightly sacked if he is found guilty. Your educated guess begs the question on why the male member of that couple did not leave the clubs employ last June when the incident occurred rather than a few weeks ago or was it the case of just taking the money until another job came along. Our improvement on the pitch would suggest he was more interested in taking the money than improving our defensive performances. Yes, a fair point. Btw, since he left who has taken over the duties of defensive coach? I know it’s about BRFC and not JB but ..... Do we have a new defensive coach or is it just under general coaching duties. UTG!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Dec 6, 2021 18:15:57 GMT
Honestly. This place is such a f**king sh*thole. Its so predictable Oh the irony..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 18:18:35 GMT
Your educated guess begs the question on why the male member of that couple did not leave the clubs employ last June when the incident occurred rather than a few weeks ago or was it the case of just taking the money until another job came along. Our improvement on the pitch would suggest he was more interested in taking the money than improving our defensive performances. Yes, a fair point. Btw, since he left who has taken over the duties of defensive coach? I know it’s about BRFC and not JB but ..... Do we have a new defensive coach or is it just under general coaching duties. UTG! Don't know but I'm pretty sure none of the current coaching staff have a place in Kew.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Dec 6, 2021 18:20:51 GMT
Is the Bobby Davro look-alike still on board only he's in Panto at Crewe.
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