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Post by Bolders on Nov 26, 2021 14:28:43 GMT
Jury sent home.Trial starts Monday. Good news, a few on here can now stop refreshing the page, watch their semi go down and put away the tissues then 😂 Fair play if you need tissues with a semi. X
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 26, 2021 14:34:15 GMT
Jury sent home.Trial starts Monday. FFS - don't these Judges work on Friday afternoons? ‘ Work’ isint a word I would equate with judges! 🤔💙
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Post by barumgas on Nov 26, 2021 14:44:41 GMT
Seems to be the only case listed where nothing's happened so far. It only says that the jury were sworn in at 12:13 I wouldn't be expecting much today then. Lots of red tape and the initial charges read, perhaps? The most interesting thing to me today is whether Stendel actually turns up or not.... It takes a couple of minutes max to read the charge to the defendant so there is the entire afternoon for the Prosecution to open their case. Judges are expected to work a full day unless there is a valid reason for an early finish. That being the situation I think there has to be a good reason why its put over until Monday. Could there be a problem with the prosecutions case?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 26, 2021 16:00:03 GMT
Depends, I was in court at the start of the year for a 2 day trial.
It kicked off bang on time and I was on the stand for 3 hours 45 mins under cross examination. I was only expected to be there for an hour. It really does depend on the questioning.
The actual reading of the charges won’t take long as that would have already been done at magistrates in the plea hearing. It’s a case of cracking on with it as soon as the court is in session.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 26, 2021 16:09:27 GMT
At least we'll all be better educated how all this works in the courts come the end of Barton's tenure here. 😁
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 26, 2021 16:37:18 GMT
At least we'll all be better educated how all this works in the courts come the end of Barton's tenure here. 😁 I think I'll be Barrister level by the end of these cases.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 16:58:58 GMT
At least we'll all be better educated how all this works in the courts come the end of Barton's tenure here. 😁 Will stand us in good stead for next time.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 26, 2021 17:46:13 GMT
Thanks for the heads up that’s very useful information - if he goes to prison will he still appear at the magistrates court in handcuffs on the lesser charge? His last prison sentence was 13 years ago - does this really mean that he will “most likely go straight to jail with little chance of getting a suspended sentence” (if convicted) as you’re suggesting - or is it just wishful thinking on your part? My wife works as a Accessor in the Police force , so I have spoken to her about all this , she says if guilty of the Stendhal incident then he will still have to appear at the magistrates court whether the sentence has been passed and him jailed or not. She says CPS would not be prosecuting if they did not think there as a good chance of a conviction, he could get Up to 6 months for the second offence if found guilty. But you can't presume anything , it will all come out in the wash , we may or may not have a new manager in January. Have you just made up that nonsense up? There's no way Barton will be jailed for the second incident, hence, why it's being heard in front of just a magistrate not even a jury, although if he's convicted he'll have no future in football management. As far as the Stendel case how many people are sent to jail for causing another person to have a chipped tooth?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 17:56:45 GMT
My wife works as a Accessor in the Police force , so I have spoken to her about all this , she says if guilty of the Stendhal incident then he will still have to appear at the magistrates court whether the sentence has been passed and him jailed or not. She says CPS would not be prosecuting if they did not think there as a good chance of a conviction, he could get Up to 6 months for the second offence if found guilty. But you can't presume anything , it will all come out in the wash , we may or may not have a new manager in January. Have you just made up that nonsense up? There's no way Barton will be jailed for the second incident, hence, why it's being heard in front of just a magistrate not even a jury, although if he's convicted he'll have no future in football management. As far as the Stendel case how many people are sent to jail for causing another person to have a chipped tooth? I suppose that depends on if it was your third conviction for violence towards others.
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 26, 2021 18:06:20 GMT
At least we'll all be better educated how all this works in the courts come the end of Barton's tenure here. 😁 I think I'll be Barrister level by the end of these cases. Head judge on strictly 😂😂😂
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 26, 2021 19:28:10 GMT
My wife works as a Accessor in the Police force , so I have spoken to her about all this , she says if guilty of the Stendhal incident then he will still have to appear at the magistrates court whether the sentence has been passed and him jailed or not. She says CPS would not be prosecuting if they did not think there as a good chance of a conviction, he could get Up to 6 months for the second offence if found guilty. But you can't presume anything , it will all come out in the wash , we may or may not have a new manager in January. Have you just made up that nonsense up? There's no way Barton will be jailed for the second incident, hence, why it's being heard in front of just a magistrate not even a jury, although if he's convicted he'll have no future in football management. As far as the Stendel case how many people are sent to jail for causing another person to have a chipped tooth? Joey taunts Stendel by showing a complete intact set of top gnashers prior to the trial...
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Post by wertongas on Nov 26, 2021 20:04:00 GMT
My wife works as a Accessor in the Police force , so I have spoken to her about all this , she says if guilty of the Stendhal incident then he will still have to appear at the magistrates court whether the sentence has been passed and him jailed or not. She says CPS would not be prosecuting if they did not think there as a good chance of a conviction, he could get Up to 6 months for the second offence if found guilty. But you can't presume anything , it will all come out in the wash , we may or may not have a new manager in January. Have you just made up that nonsense up? There's no way Barton will be jailed for the second incident, hence, why it's being heard in front of just a magistrate not even a jury, although if he's convicted he'll have no future in football management. As far as the Stendel case how many people are sent to jail for causing another person to have a chipped tooth? I didn't say he would be jailed for the second offence only that the maximum sentence for a magistrates court for any one crime is 6 months. The crown court case is more serious because of previous the courts don't usually give suspended sentences they are usually reserved for first offenders . That is the guidelines , but it is down to the judges discretion. Conviction rates for magistrates court are higher 68 % , compered to 59 % for crown , so if Barton did escape jail in the crown court he could still go down for the second case and judges take previous into account. The only thing in his favour is that the last jail sentence was back in 2008.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 26, 2021 20:15:32 GMT
At least we'll all be better educated how all this works in the courts come the end of Barton's tenure here. 😁 I think I'll be Barrister level by the end of these cases. Good to know Tilly, I’m hanging out for a Cappuccino.
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Post by stapletongas on Nov 27, 2021 17:21:23 GMT
You can see how this case is going to go, Barton will start slowly, his team will ease into the case and start to look promising, maybe even get to everything looking good for him, then his defence will slip up, then the jury will go down to 10 and his defence will slip up again. He will lose and blame everyone but himself.
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Post by Gashead73 on Nov 27, 2021 17:25:41 GMT
You can see how this case is going to go, Barton will start slowly, his team will ease into the case and start to look promising, maybe even get to everything looking good for him, then his defence will slip up, then the jury will go down to 10 and his defence will slip up again. He will lose and blame everyone but himself. Probably blame Thomas first 😂
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Post by legas on Nov 28, 2021 10:51:18 GMT
I just hope that the club is making sure it’s fully prepared for all potential outcomes, including a guilty verdict, a guilty verdict but with an appeal, or the easiest one to deal with being an innocent verdict. I really hope the communications are already being drafted and potential managerial plans considered for all eventualities rather than thinking about this at the last minute … but this is Rovers I suppose.
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Post by garythegas on Nov 28, 2021 12:13:51 GMT
I just hope that the club is making sure it’s fully prepared for all potential outcomes, including a guilty verdict, a guilty verdict but with an appeal, or the easiest one to deal with being an innocent verdict. I really hope the communications are already being drafted and potential managerial plans considered for all eventualities rather than thinking about this at the last minute … but this is Rovers I suppose. A guilty verdict will be the nightmare scenario for Wael, surely he would have to get rid of his golden boy. Even if JB appeals he would still stand convicted of the assault and his position at the club would be untenable. But as you said 'this is Rovers'.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 28, 2021 12:17:01 GMT
I just hope that the club is making sure it’s fully prepared for all potential outcomes, including a guilty verdict, a guilty verdict but with an appeal, or the easiest one to deal with being an innocent verdict. I really hope the communications are already being drafted and potential managerial plans considered for all eventualities rather than thinking about this at the last minute … but this is Rovers I suppose. He can't be found innocent.
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Post by legas on Nov 28, 2021 12:17:48 GMT
I just hope that the club is making sure it’s fully prepared for all potential outcomes, including a guilty verdict, a guilty verdict but with an appeal, or the easiest one to deal with being an innocent verdict. I really hope the communications are already being drafted and potential managerial plans considered for all eventualities rather than thinking about this at the last minute … but this is Rovers I suppose. He can't be found innocent. Good point, and exposing my lack of legal knowledge!
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Post by kampucheagas on Nov 28, 2021 12:25:15 GMT
I just hope that the club is making sure it’s fully prepared for all potential outcomes, including a guilty verdict, a guilty verdict but with an appeal, or the easiest one to deal with being an innocent verdict. I really hope the communications are already being drafted and potential managerial plans considered for all eventualities rather than thinking about this at the last minute … but this is Rovers I suppose. You would hope that the club are taking seriously the chance of having to recruit a new man I’d be on the blower to G Monk C Hughton M Flynn S Campbell U Rosler Most are probably unwilling to drop to our level but if you don’t ask…. Some crazy fool may see us as a project to reignite their career Be just like Us to act all surprised IF found guilty and stumble along with a caretaker in the hope it all comes good. UTG
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