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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 22, 2022 20:36:34 GMT
Please except my apologies No apologies required 73. All the best to you and keep posting.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 22, 2022 20:38:53 GMT
My apologies to 81, I never meant to sound harsh. I have personal reasons as to why I'm homeless. I use the giggs on my phone as I rarely get WiFi access. I have never had much to do with computers. This page was set up for me years ago by my 2nd ex wife. I prefer cash on the gate personally I prefer cash - full stop ! 💙
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 22, 2022 20:46:19 GMT
I quite agree. There’s lots of people who haven’t transitioned to that way of working though and who still prefer to use cash. For them, having to use contactless is a pain. I’m not one of them, I don’t get it myself, but I get that what works for me doesn't for others. I feel like some people are defending this purely because it’s a club decision and therefore it must be a good thing to do. But if the club had come out and consulted it’s customers beforehand as to if we think it was a good idea to go cashless I think a lot of people would be saying that it would be a shortsighted decision and that’s a fair yardstick for how to measure this decision. The human race has an incredible ability to adapt. Did people refuse to drive cars quite simply because they preferred mucking out a stable to a petrol station? Or found a clutch harder to balance than a set of stirrups? Some hated the idea of owning a car and probably never owned one, but eventually, once the horse generation was phased out and passed away, people died owning a car. Much will be the same with technology for ST, cashless systems and other forms of modern day comms. The generation that can’t will die out completely and the ones following will die with a full grip on being able to handle it. It’s how the human race works. Absolutely. But did people suddenly refuse to trade with people who wanted to use horses? Or did they allow it to be phased out, perhaps making it more difficult to use the more traditional methods? I don't think the issue is a case of can or not it's a case of won't in a lot of instances. There's a lot of people (generally in their middle to late ages) who have a huge degree of mistrust in digital forms of payment. My partners father is one of those - he withdraws cash and uses it to pay for everything and even turned off the contactless features on not just his own card but her mothers as well. I also knew someone back in my school days when debit cards were taking off who didn't want to use cards to pay for things because he felt he didn't have the ability to budget with it as easily as with physical money. There's a whole manner of reasons like these which I'm personally bemused by. But I understand that to these people they just don't want to use that bit of plastic, IMO to their detriment. I am absolutely in favour of progress and love technology, will jump at the chance to use new means of paying for things and very rarely even get my wallet out these days with the advent of Apple Way and other similar alternatives. But I simply think going cashless is a bit of a kick in the teeth for supporters who don't want to (not necessarily can't) go on the journey with the club and it's tech savvy supporters. People can be remarkably funny about these sorts of things, and to the point of o2bs opener to stop allowing cash is for those who want to use that method very much treating them as a transactional customer and not a loyal supporter of potentially decades which can be counted on multiple hands. What is the harm of accommodating these people? Buying/selling cars is also very, very different to occasional spend on food and drink at a stadium.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 22, 2022 20:49:23 GMT
My apologies to 81, I never meant to sound harsh. I have personal reasons as to why I'm homeless. I use the giggs on my phone as I rarely get WiFi access. I have never had much to do with computers. This page was set up for me years ago by my 2nd ex wife. I prefer cash on the gate personally No worries mate 👍🏻👍🏻 Just dig in as best you can and keep going. My PM is always open if you need to talk and if I can help, I will.
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 22, 2022 21:00:23 GMT
My apologies to 81, I never meant to sound harsh. I have personal reasons as to why I'm homeless. I use the giggs on my phone as I rarely get WiFi access. I have never had much to do with computers. This page was set up for me years ago by my 2nd ex wife. I prefer cash on the gate personally I prefer cash - full stop ! 💙 Fair play to you. It's staggering when you give it some thought. The fat bankers who look after most of our money are closing banks down left right and centre to line their pockets with more profits. That then makes it difficult for businesses to bank the cash they receive through the tills, so some of them like BRFC go cashless, save themselves the trouble of counting and cashing the money and save money at the same time. The likes of the Royal mint at Llantrisant is still banging out coins and notes at vast levels and it would appear for many years to come so surely any cash over the counter type business should continue to do so and it is those businesses that should be protesting at bank closures not just little old ladies.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 22, 2022 21:06:15 GMT
The human race has an incredible ability to adapt. Did people refuse to drive cars quite simply because they preferred mucking out a stable to a petrol station? Or found a clutch harder to balance than a set of stirrups? Some hated the idea of owning a car and probably never owned one, but eventually, once the horse generation was phased out and passed away, people died owning a car. Much will be the same with technology for ST, cashless systems and other forms of modern day comms. The generation that can’t will die out completely and the ones following will die with a full grip on being able to handle it. It’s how the human race works. Absolutely. But did people suddenly refuse to trade with people who wanted to use horses? Or did they allow it to be phased out, perhaps making it more difficult to use the more traditional methods? I don't think the issue is a case of can or not it's a case of won't in a lot of instances. There's a lot of people (generally in their middle to late ages) who have a huge degree of mistrust in digital forms of payment. My partners father is one of those - he withdraws cash and uses it to pay for everything and even turned off the contactless features on not just his own card but her mothers as well. I also knew someone back in my school days when debit cards were taking off who didn't want to use cards to pay for things because he felt he didn't have the ability to budget with it as easily as with physical money. There's a whole manner of reasons like these which I'm personally bemused by. But I understand that to these people they just don't want to use that bit of plastic, IMO to their detriment. I am absolutely in favour of progress and love technology, will jump at the chance to use new means of paying for things and very rarely even get my wallet out these days with the advent of Apple Way and other similar alternatives. But I simply think going cashless is a bit of a kick in the teeth for supporters who don't want to (not necessarily can't) go on the journey with the club and it's tech savvy supporters. People can be remarkably funny about these sorts of things, and to the point of o2bs opener to stop allowing cash is for those who want to use that method very much treating them as a transactional customer and not a loyal supporter of potentially decades which can be counted on multiple hands. What is the harm of accommodating these people? Buying/selling cars is also very, very different to occasional spend on food and drink at a stadium. The reluctance around electronic banking amazes me too as the old magnetic signature strip cards, debit cards and cash machines were the easiest of things to target and fraud and you’re more likely to lose your money than you would be using a secure method of payment. 3 step authentication with facial recognition is the safest form of payment for goods and services. I also use credit cards for everything so my liability is completely limited. Buying cars is different to buying food, but the reconciliation, verification, banking and accounting is actually much harder for the FC. I can imagine totalling up accurately for food and drink bought by over 6500 people. Can you really trust every employee these days not to lift a tenner or some loose change and change the till sheet?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 22, 2022 21:17:30 GMT
The issue is the suggestion the Mem is going 100% cashless not fans wanting it to be 100% payment by cash.
I've been to the Mem numerous times and the card readers at the food kiosks have been down, what happens in the future if we've all turned up without any cash?
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 22, 2022 21:18:15 GMT
Absolutely. But did people suddenly refuse to trade with people who wanted to use horses? Or did they allow it to be phased out, perhaps making it more difficult to use the more traditional methods? I don't think the issue is a case of can or not it's a case of won't in a lot of instances. There's a lot of people (generally in their middle to late ages) who have a huge degree of mistrust in digital forms of payment. My partners father is one of those - he withdraws cash and uses it to pay for everything and even turned off the contactless features on not just his own card but her mothers as well. I also knew someone back in my school days when debit cards were taking off who didn't want to use cards to pay for things because he felt he didn't have the ability to budget with it as easily as with physical money. There's a whole manner of reasons like these which I'm personally bemused by. But I understand that to these people they just don't want to use that bit of plastic, IMO to their detriment. I am absolutely in favour of progress and love technology, will jump at the chance to use new means of paying for things and very rarely even get my wallet out these days with the advent of Apple Way and other similar alternatives. But I simply think going cashless is a bit of a kick in the teeth for supporters who don't want to (not necessarily can't) go on the journey with the club and it's tech savvy supporters. People can be remarkably funny about these sorts of things, and to the point of o2bs opener to stop allowing cash is for those who want to use that method very much treating them as a transactional customer and not a loyal supporter of potentially decades which can be counted on multiple hands. What is the harm of accommodating these people? Buying/selling cars is also very, very different to occasional spend on food and drink at a stadium. The reluctance around electronic banking amazes me too as the old magnetic signature strip cards, debit cards and cash machines were the easiest of things to target and fraud and you’re more likely to lose your money than you would be using a secure method of payment. 3 step authentication with facial recognition is the safest form of payment for goods and services. I also use credit cards for everything so my liability is completely limited. Buying cars is different to buying food, but the reconciliation, verification, banking and accounting is actually much harder for the FC. I can imagine totalling up accurately for food and drink bought by over 6500 people. Can you really trust every employee these days not to lift a tenner or some loose change and change the till sheet? Fair question 81. Would you turn a customer away if he has cash in his pocket to buy a car?
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 22, 2022 21:20:37 GMT
The issue is the suggestion the Mem is going 100% cashless not fans wanting it to be 100% payment by cash. I've been to the Mem numerous times and the card readers at the food kiosks have been down, what happens in the future if we've all turned up without any cash? Fair point topper it has happened a few times this season.
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Post by aghast on Apr 22, 2022 22:17:13 GMT
Cash is a pain in the arse and a security/management risk. Staff have to be trained and supervised, the cash has to be tallied up, a till is required, and change has to be available at all times. Honestly, who doesn't have a credit/debit card and/or a phone these days? When did you last pay cash for anything? Ok you'll name one example because you just will. But in the real world, do you pay for meals, petrol, food shopping , other shopping, drinks, tickets and basically anything else with cash? Cash a pain tell your drug dealer that..not everyone has a phone some rely on foodbanks, few can afford to eat meals out and struggle with rent/ and don't have transport have to rely on walking. Some in financial debt are banned from having debit or credit cards...welcome to Brexit Britain in 2022. Please be sensible another keyboard warrior bragging about his wealth. wtf are you on about? Bragging about my wealth? You know nothing about me except that I have a bank account and a phone. Oh, and for your information, I'm not wealthy at all. Just barely solvent. And this is about (I think) people paying to go to Rovers games, not the plight of the unemployed, the poor or the needy. When did Rovers going cashless signal a heartless disregard for the underprivileged in society? I think you're confusing paying £20 for a match with the situation faced by the homeless and disenfranchised in our world. They are totally different issues.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Apr 22, 2022 22:21:33 GMT
State of this thread. Archaic forums due to go the way of fax machines, Walkmans and cash as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by stapletongas on Apr 22, 2022 22:22:34 GMT
Thanks for the replies earlier people instead of wasting my time I can watch Corrie instead! Live in Homeless accommodation, no WiFi, no computer literacy, living 50 miles from what I call home with very little support and health issues. It's just not easy for me does that answer your Question. PS ex Royal Navy, ex Prison Officer and in general treated like scum by the government and people like you who are up their own ass Eh?? I have made no comments to anything you've posted. What's your point?
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Post by aghast on Apr 22, 2022 22:22:52 GMT
Don’t disagree with any of that. You’ve completely failed to get my point. I’m on board, but there are still many who aren’t. Why drive them away? I thought I disagreed with you until I actually bothered to look up current cash usage in the UK. To those saying it is not a big deal, you are just wrong. Cashless will not be far away, but it is definitely too soon to deride the over 20% who still need to use cash. www.unbiased.co.uk/news/financial-adviser/cashless-uk-may-come-too-soonSo are we saying these people cannot come to cashless matches because their circumstances do not allow them access to phones or bank accounts, but if the club continued to accept cash, the money would somehow be found? Again, totally confusing the issues of the genuinely needy and those of football fans.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 22, 2022 22:23:56 GMT
Cash a pain tell your drug dealer that..not everyone has a phone some rely on foodbanks, few can afford to eat meals out and struggle with rent/ and don't have transport have to rely on walking. Some in financial debt are banned from having debit or credit cards...welcome to Brexit Britain in 2022. Please be sensible another keyboard warrior bragging about his wealth. wtf are you on about? Bragging about my wealth? You know nothing about me except that I have a bank account and a phone. Oh, and for your information, I'm not wealthy at all. Just barely solvent. And this is about (I think) people paying to go to Rovers games, not the plight of the unemployed, the poor or the needy. When did Rovers going cashless signal a heartless disregard for the underprivileged in society? I think you're confusing paying £20 for a match with the situation faced by the homeless and disenfranchised in our world. They are totally different issues. It’s a ridiculous argument anyway , if someone was going to foodbanks or couldn’t afford their rent they’re hardly likely to be going to a football match.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 22, 2022 22:24:34 GMT
State of this thread. Archaic forums due to go the way of fax machines, Walkmans and cash as far as I’m concerned. Yet you’re on here …
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Post by Smithy Gas on Apr 22, 2022 22:27:23 GMT
State of this thread. Archaic forums due to go the way of fax machines, Walkmans and cash as far as I’m concerned. Yet you’re on here … I like winklepickers too. Sue me.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 22, 2022 22:29:12 GMT
I like winklepickers too. Sue me. Hi Sue 👋
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 22, 2022 22:29:34 GMT
State of this thread. Archaic forums due to go the way of fax machines, Walkmans and cash as far as I’m concerned. Yet you’re on here … Vinyl made a come back, I'm just waiting for Betamax now. 🤞
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Post by aghast on Apr 22, 2022 22:48:09 GMT
My apologies to 81, I never meant to sound harsh. I have personal reasons as to why I'm homeless. I use the giggs on my phone as I rarely get WiFi access. I have never had much to do with computers. This page was set up for me years ago by my 2nd ex wife. I prefer cash on the gate personally I prefer cash - full stop ! 💙 So if we go cashless you wouldn't go to any more matches? One word: pre paid debit card. Well that's four actually. No need for an existing bank account. Easy to set up and pay into. Costs £1 to pay cash into it at a Post Office. Safer than cash. Used by millions around the world.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 22, 2022 22:50:52 GMT
I have cards - just prefer not to use them , I find spending with a card fare too easy , I think twice with cash ! Thanks for the advice tho ! X
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