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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 11:08:02 GMT
Brilliant
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 27, 2022 11:28:23 GMT
I think the most telling thing was what they immediately did. The continentals got in charge and immediately took an audit. Ushering In some good old fashioned french bureaucracy. What the history books also left out was the general strike which followed. Have The North ever recovered? Brutal repression. William even killed two people on his deathbed. Mmm. Not sure it ever recovered. I hear Michael Gove is doing his best! Actually Henry I did his best but Stephen managed to mess that up. I’ll stop there. 😉 UTG!
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 27, 2022 12:21:46 GMT
He's an alcohol free zone now.
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Post by oldie on Jun 27, 2022 15:34:40 GMT
I love a glass of wine. I dont tend to buy French apart from Rose which has to come from Provence. Reds I find can be much better than the over hyped French stuff from a good Rioja from Spain, also Italy, Lebanon, South Africa, Afghanistan do some really good stuff. Although you will have to go some way to beating a good Chateau Lafite. Moving on to White, we have some really good producers in the UK that beat the French big time. Chaple Down in Kent and Three Choirs up the road in Gloucester. Germany's Blue Nun and Black Tower and stuff is actually quite expensive now. Try a Winnica Turnau which is really quite good. (Kingswood Polak) I think its a great idea that we rename the Thatchers / Blackthorn end after a really good wine. Or we could go for the Natch end, which I also have a taste for. Good luck with the Wine Tasting my fellow Gas Heads. This is a spoof post right? It's hilarious 🤣
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Barton...
Jun 27, 2022 15:36:08 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jun 27, 2022 15:36:08 GMT
He's an alcohol free zone now. Till the next time
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 27, 2022 15:40:50 GMT
He's an alcohol free zone now. Till the next time The same as everybody else who struggles - one day at a time is the best you can do.
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Post by 1986gas on Jun 27, 2022 17:29:18 GMT
The same as everybody else who struggles - one day at a time is the best you can do. Well said Tilly, addiction has played a big part in my life, support is out there but critics are in much far greater numbers, unlike in Portugal where addiction is treated in a completely different way, compassion is winning the war on addiction and long may that continue as opposed to people around waiting and willing on a relapse.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 27, 2022 22:09:19 GMT
The same as everybody else who struggles - one day at a time is the best you can do. You took the words right out of my mouth Tills ! 🍾🍷👌💙
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 27, 2022 22:27:21 GMT
The same as everybody else who struggles - one day at a time is the best you can do. Well said Tilly, addiction has played a big part in my life, support is out there but critics are in much far greater numbers, unlike in Portugal where addiction is treated in a completely different way, compassion is winning the war on addiction and long may that continue as opposed to people around waiting and willing on a relapse. I have 2 family members who are poly addicts and completely resistant to any compassion. I had issues with a number of things. Compassion didn’t do anything for me but the threat of losing my job and family did. For a lot of people, consequences are more important. My money is on a lot of people preferring compassion as it means they don’t face consequences and don’t have to change. I personally don’t know why I owe any compassion to people who’s own poor judgement and continuing obstinate refusal to change causes misery on others. I do, however, agree that addiction is a health issue and shouldn’t be a criminal issue. Jail and legal trouble doesn’t help people recover, but I will keep my compassion for the children and family members who’s lives are ruined by addicts, and the taxpayers who work hard and have to foot the bill. Solving a problem is what’s needed, but that often isn’t solved by being nice. A lot of the time someone has to have the balls to tell people the truth.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 28, 2022 10:46:41 GMT
Well said Tilly, addiction has played a big part in my life, support is out there but critics are in much far greater numbers, unlike in Portugal where addiction is treated in a completely different way, compassion is winning the war on addiction and long may that continue as opposed to people around waiting and willing on a relapse. I have 2 family members who are poly addicts and completely resistant to any compassion. I had issues with a number of things. Compassion didn’t do anything for me but the threat of losing my job and family did. For a lot of people, consequences are more important. My money is on a lot of people preferring compassion as it means they don’t face consequences and don’t have to change. I personally don’t know why I owe any compassion to people who’s own poor judgement and continuing obstinate refusal to change causes misery on others. I do, however, agree that addiction is a health issue and shouldn’t be a criminal issue. Jail and legal trouble doesn’t help people recover, but I will keep my compassion for the children and family members who’s lives are ruined by addicts, and the taxpayers who work hard and have to foot the bill. Solving a problem is what’s needed, but that often isn’t solved by being nice. A lot of the time someone has to have the balls to tell people the truth. Nobody 'owes' compassion but surely it is natural to feel for people who are in trouble due to addiction regardless of their reasons.
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Post by c4h10 on Jun 28, 2022 11:00:39 GMT
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 28, 2022 17:24:24 GMT
I have 2 family members who are poly addicts and completely resistant to any compassion. I had issues with a number of things. Compassion didn’t do anything for me but the threat of losing my job and family did. For a lot of people, consequences are more important. My money is on a lot of people preferring compassion as it means they don’t face consequences and don’t have to change. I personally don’t know why I owe any compassion to people who’s own poor judgement and continuing obstinate refusal to change causes misery on others. I do, however, agree that addiction is a health issue and shouldn’t be a criminal issue. Jail and legal trouble doesn’t help people recover, but I will keep my compassion for the children and family members who’s lives are ruined by addicts, and the taxpayers who work hard and have to foot the bill. Solving a problem is what’s needed, but that often isn’t solved by being nice. A lot of the time someone has to have the balls to tell people the truth. Nobody 'owes' compassion but surely it is natural to feel for people who are in trouble due to addiction regardless of their reasons. Not really. It would depend on the circumstances. You wouldn’t treat your child with compassion for becoming a drug addict, you would sort the problem out, if you were a decent parent.
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Post by justin blue on Jun 28, 2022 19:02:58 GMT
Nobody 'owes' compassion but surely it is natural to feel for people who are in trouble due to addiction regardless of their reasons. Not really. It would depend on the circumstances. You wouldn’t treat your child with compassion for becoming a drug addict, you would sort the problem out, if you were a decent parent. Having lost my younger brother to heroin and other drug addiction compassion is not a decision it's a given, sadly as you say its doesn't help. My own view is that an addiction is a merely a symptom, in my brothers case of not being able to cope with life. He hated what he had become as much as we did and knew the inevitable, but he preferred even that to dealing with his life.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 28, 2022 19:53:24 GMT
Not really. It would depend on the circumstances. You wouldn’t treat your child with compassion for becoming a drug addict, you would sort the problem out, if you were a decent parent. Having lost my younger brother to heroin and other drug addiction compassion is not a decision it's a given, sadly as you say its doesn't help. My own view is that an addiction is a merely a symptom, in my brothers case of not being able to cope with life. He hated what he had become as much as we did and knew the inevitable, but he preferred even that to dealing with his life. Yeah lost my best mate to suicide due to benzos, and parents are addicts of various things. It is indeed a cope for other issues, I just kind of burned out of compassion. I also had a long term partner with a mental health issue, I spent most of my young life trying to help and save various people and as a result compassion robbed me of a lot of my life, hence I’ve got pretty hard hearted in later life. We all have our reasons for feeling the way we do about the world.
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Post by gasify on Jun 28, 2022 20:06:34 GMT
Nobody 'owes' compassion but surely it is natural to feel for people who are in trouble due to addiction regardless of their reasons. Not really. It would depend on the circumstances. You wouldn’t treat your child with compassion for becoming a drug addict, you would sort the problem out, if you were a decent parent. Not sure I agree. Compassion and understanding as to why my child has become a drug addict will always be the first step.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 28, 2022 20:59:44 GMT
Nobody 'owes' compassion but surely it is natural to feel for people who are in trouble due to addiction regardless of their reasons. Not really. It would depend on the circumstances. You wouldn’t treat your child with compassion for becoming a drug addict, you would sort the problem out, if you were a decent parent. Surely it’s possible to do both🤔💙
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 28, 2022 22:18:56 GMT
Not really. It would depend on the circumstances. You wouldn’t treat your child with compassion for becoming a drug addict, you would sort the problem out, if you were a decent parent. Surely it’s possible to do both🤔💙 Yep, they don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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Barton...
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Post by percy on Jun 29, 2022 6:24:30 GMT
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Post by fintanstack on Jun 29, 2022 7:03:38 GMT
Having lost my younger brother to heroin and other drug addiction compassion is not a decision it's a given, sadly as you say its doesn't help. My own view is that an addiction is a merely a symptom, in my brothers case of not being able to cope with life. He hated what he had become as much as we did and knew the inevitable, but he preferred even that to dealing with his life. Yeah lost my best mate to suicide due to benzos, and parents are addicts of various things. It is indeed a cope for other issues, I just kind of burned out of compassion. I also had a long term partner with a mental health issue, I spent most of my young life trying to help and save various people and as a result compassion robbed me of a lot of my life, hence I’ve got pretty hard hearted in later life. We all have our reasons for feeling the way we do about the world. Compassion fatigue is very real but I would also argue that you cannot help someone without it. Even tough love requires compassion.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 29, 2022 11:12:11 GMT
Nobody 'owes' compassion but surely it is natural to feel for people who are in trouble due to addiction regardless of their reasons. Not really. It would depend on the circumstances. You wouldn’t treat your child with compassion for becoming a drug addict, you would sort the problem out, if you were a decent parent. Not sure you understand what compassion is - sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others
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