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Post by SleepyGas on Jun 9, 2022 17:33:45 GMT
June 23rd fixture release day. I hope it’s not Joey release day by Wael 👀. So it is! Fixtures out in the morning, Joey trial in the afternoon. That's my Thursday at Glastonbury sorted....
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jun 9, 2022 19:47:58 GMT
Virtually zero chance of that happening now Mrs B is prepared to support him by giving a statement, I wouldn't be surprised if the case is now dropped or, if it's not, the trial is adjourned yet again. Thanks m’lud 👍 I stand to be corrected, but domestic abuse is the one area where they will proceed with charges regardless of what the victim says, for obvious reasons. If they have bodycam footage of/or statements from her from the night, I’d be concerned. In saying that, the CPS proceeded with the Stendel case despite it being obvious there wouldn’t be enough certainty for a conviction so..
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Post by aghast on Jun 9, 2022 20:03:24 GMT
if he gets a top 10 finish this season he'll be the most successful manager for 20 years We finished 10th in 2016-17. To be considered more successful than DC with his back to back promotions, and to erase the memory of the bottom finish in 20-21, we'd need to get to the playoffs at least, imo. Then he really could be considered a success, at least in terms of our modern history.
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Post by bidefordgas on Jun 9, 2022 20:14:14 GMT
I stand to be corrected, but domestic abuse is the one area where they will proceed with charges regardless of what the victim says, for obvious reasons. If they have bodycam footage of/or statements from her from the night, I’d be concerned. In saying that, the CPS proceeded with the Stendel case despite it being obvious there wouldn’t be enough certainty for a conviction so.. It will be very difficult for the cps to get a successful prosecution in this case because although they may have body cam evidence, the victim in this case is what is considered to be a hostile witness. That is because at the time of the alleged offence their first statement to the police was at the time of great distress, possibly not helped by alcohol. If at a later date the victim decides they don't won't to proceed they become a hostile witness. This then becomes a very difficult case to get a successful prosecution and the defence can call the victim to the stand and blow the prosecutions case out of the water. Very rarely in these types of cases does a prosecution succeed. Amazing what information a short time on google can give you.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jun 9, 2022 21:25:11 GMT
I get people want signings and are a bit impatient but this season is so much different to the last where we needed to build a complete new squad and had to get to work early and get players in. Now we don't and everyone has time to relax before we go again and I would imagine we won't hear much until later in the month. Regarding the OP i dont think for one moment players are waiting for the court case it didn't seem to stop players from signing last season when the Stendl case was still hanging over JB.
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Post by pirate on Jun 9, 2022 21:43:39 GMT
I get people want signings and are a bit impatient but this season is so much different to the last where we needed to build a complete new squad and had to get to work early and get players in. Now we don't and everyone has time to relax before we go again and I would imagine we won't hear much until later in the month. Regarding the OP i dont think for one moment players are waiting for the court case it didn't seem to stop players from signing last season when the Stendl case was still hanging over JB. No impatience or panic from me, but looking at the squad as it stands at the moment, it could be argued we are in need of 10/11 players and maybe even a couple more if we can move one or two out.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jun 9, 2022 21:46:05 GMT
June 23rd fixture release day. I hope it’s not Joey release day by Wael 👀. Virtually zero chance of that happening now Mrs B is prepared to support him by giving a statement, I wouldn't be surprised if the case is now dropped or, if it's not, the trial is adjourned yet again. plus, aren’t they expecting another child now?
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Post by kylegas on Jun 9, 2022 22:23:12 GMT
No, this isn't another 'I hate Barton' post but it is a genuine question. When is his court case? I ask this because is that what is causing our silence in the transfer market and renewing contracts? Are players waiting to see if he will still be here after the court appearance? ( Wael did state that he would sack him if he is found guilty). The sooner it is resolved one way or another the better. I still can't stand Barton as a person but I also realise that he has been good for the footballing side of his job and for now we are better off with him than without him (that pains me to say!!) If Evans does sign I think it’ll be the last thing that happens this summer regardless of Barton’s situation, could end up feeling like a new signing. What other players are we actually waiting on now?? As for the rest surely there’s no way the club/Barton can hold off on signing players until after Barton’s case?? It’s gotta be business as usual and deal with things accordingly as they come… otherwise we’ll end up relegation favourites with half a team haha
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Post by phillistine on Jun 9, 2022 22:57:37 GMT
I stand to be corrected, but domestic abuse is the one area where they will proceed with charges regardless of what the victim says, for obvious reasons. If they have bodycam footage of/or statements from her from the night, I’d be concerned. In saying that, the CPS proceeded with the Stendel case despite it being obvious there wouldn’t be enough certainty for a conviction so.. the fact that they wanted to proceed without taking a statement from his wife does not show the cps in a good light. The statement that "She has given an account some eight months later after the incident and in the Crown’s submission it is plainly an attempt to exculpate her husband." is quite an appalling thing to admit and they should have been taken to task over it. If they had listened to her statement then made that comment then fair enough - but to assume that they knew what she had to say and so didnt bother with taking a statement - is plainly wrong. It wasted public funds in having to go to trial a second time and seems to endorse the fact that they just want to nail JB because of who he is and perhaps because of their failure with the earlier case.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2022 7:24:33 GMT
I stand to be corrected, but domestic abuse is the one area where they will proceed with charges regardless of what the victim says, for obvious reasons. If they have bodycam footage of/or statements from her from the night, I’d be concerned. In saying that, the CPS proceeded with the Stendel case despite it being obvious there wouldn’t be enough certainty for a conviction so.. the fact that they wanted to proceed without taking a statement from his wife does not show the cps in a good light. The statement that "She has given an account some eight months later after the incident and in the Crown’s submission it is plainly an attempt to exculpate her husband." is quite an appalling thing to admit and they should have been taken to task over it. If they had listened to her statement then made that comment then fair enough - but to assume that they knew what she had to say and so didnt bother with taking a statement - is plainly wrong. It wasted public funds in having to go to trial a second time and seems to endorse the fact that they just want to nail JB because of who he is and perhaps because of their failure with the earlier case. The CPS probably knew the only way they were going to get a conviction was without Mrs B giving any evidence, hence the comments they made to the Judge to try and get him to proceed with the trial without her statement. As far as the the other poster saying DA cases will proceed regardless as to what the victim says, surely there's got to be some prospect of a conviction?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jun 10, 2022 9:23:13 GMT
No, this isn't another 'I hate Barton' post but it is a genuine question. When is his court case? I ask this because is that what is causing our silence in the transfer market and renewing contracts? Are players waiting to see if he will still be here after the court appearance? ( Wael did state that he would sack him if he is found guilty). The sooner it is resolved one way or another the better. I still can't stand Barton as a person but I also realise that he has been good for the footballing side of his job and for now we are better off with him than without him (that pains me to say!!) Ffs you are Joey bashing. Currently Joey and his family are in / or finishing a well deserved holiday in the Bahamas. Lets hope we do not lose him, imo he is has worked wonders, promised promotion and delivered it. If you read his Instagram you can tell Joey is already in contact with players and making plans for next season.
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Post by percy on Jun 10, 2022 9:51:05 GMT
No, this isn't another 'I hate Barton' post but it is a genuine question. When is his court case? I ask this because is that what is causing our silence in the transfer market and renewing contracts? Are players waiting to see if he will still be here after the court appearance? ( Wael did state that he would sack him if he is found guilty). The sooner it is resolved one way or another the better. I still can't stand Barton as a person but I also realise that he has been good for the footballing side of his job and for now we are better off with him than without him (that pains me to say!!) Ffs you are Joey bashing. Currently Joey and his family are in / or finishing a well deserved holiday in the Bahamas. Lets hope we do not lose him, imo he is has worked wonders, promised promotion and delivered it. If you read his Instagram you can tell Joey is already in contact with players and making plans for next season. How is this "joey bashing"? He states he has done a good job on the pitch but asks a reasonable question about impact of an impending court case on getting deals over the line. There may be no impact in your opinion, but its fair to ask, especially as Joey is the pull for many of these players. Without him, would they have as much desire to stay.
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Post by justin blue on Jun 10, 2022 10:06:45 GMT
Ffs you are Joey bashing. Currently Joey and his family are in / or finishing a well deserved holiday in the Bahamas. Lets hope we do not lose him, imo he is has worked wonders, promised promotion and delivered it. If you read his Instagram you can tell Joey is already in contact with players and making plans for next season. How is this "joey bashing"? He states he has done a good job on the pitch but asks a reasonable question about impact of an impending court case on getting deals over the line. There may be no impact in your opinion, but its fair to ask, especially as Joey is the pull for many of these players. Without him, would they have as much desire to stay. Its a fair question to ask, but the posters personal opinion of JB is not relevant to the question, Therefore using his own created thread to state that opinion is Joey bashing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 10:08:28 GMT
The bloke wins us a magical last day promotion and still the knives seem to be out , just pack it in for phuck sake , this is a football forum not a bloody courtroom drama , Can’t we just enjoy this small period of success without all the negativity, it’s really not healthy
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Post by percy on Jun 10, 2022 10:15:25 GMT
The bloke wins us a magical last day promotion and still the knives seem to be out , just pack it in for phuck sake , this is a football forum not a bloody courtroom drama , Can’t we just enjoy this small period of success without all the negativity, it’s really not healthy Weird. No negativity, happy as anyone with this season (2nd half). Unbelievable. Certainly no "knives out" Not judging either. Wondering what impact this UNKNOWN OUTCOME could be having (or could have)
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Post by fanboy on Jun 10, 2022 10:36:27 GMT
No, this isn't another 'I hate Barton' post but it is a genuine question. When is his court case? I ask this because is that what is causing our silence in the transfer market and renewing contracts? Are players waiting to see if he will still be here after the court appearance? ( Wael did state that he would sack him if he is found guilty). The sooner it is resolved one way or another the better. I still can't stand Barton as a person but I also realise that he has been good for the footballing side of his job and for now we are better off with him than without him (that pains me to say!!) No, I don't think it will have any impact on getting new signings in. It didn't last season.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jun 10, 2022 10:40:57 GMT
How is this "joey bashing"? He states he has done a good job on the pitch but asks a reasonable question about impact of an impending court case on getting deals over the line. There may be no impact in your opinion, but its fair to ask, especially as Joey is the pull for many of these players. Without him, would they have as much desire to stay. Its a fair question to ask, but the posters personal opinion of JB is not relevant to the question, Therefore using his own created thread to state that opinion is Joey bashing. True, but I think it’s a perfectly reasonable position for the OP to take. There are many Rovers fans that feel the same on a moral level but can see that he’s done a very good job last season. I don’t think there’s any need for divide between fans over this, albeit that Barton himself will always be a divisive character because of his history. If he is cleared at the end of the month then hopefully it goes a long way to the issue getting put to bed.
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Post by SleepyGas on Jun 10, 2022 10:42:21 GMT
The bloke wins us a magical last day promotion and still the knives seem to be out , just pack it in for phuck sake , this is a football forum not a bloody courtroom drama , Can’t we just enjoy this small period of success without all the negativity, it’s really not healthy This is a football forum and our football manager has a day in court this month where he will be giving the opportunity to defend himself against an allegation that he assaulted his wife. If the magistrate finds him guilty then our promotion-winning (and, for balance, relegation-suffering) manager will most likely be sacked. The original poster was simply wondering what impact that might have on our ability to finalise transfers/contracts etc while that is unresolved. I think that is a pretty fair question and worthy of debate on this forum. But I suppose some Barton super-fans just get agitated when anyone dares to even mention anything that could be perceived as a negative relating to him?
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Post by SleepyGas on Jun 10, 2022 10:44:52 GMT
No, this isn't another 'I hate Barton' post but it is a genuine question. When is his court case? I ask this because is that what is causing our silence in the transfer market and renewing contracts? Are players waiting to see if he will still be here after the court appearance? ( Wael did state that he would sack him if he is found guilty). The sooner it is resolved one way or another the better. I still can't stand Barton as a person but I also realise that he has been good for the footballing side of his job and for now we are better off with him than without him (that pains me to say!!) No, I don't think it will have any impact on getting new signings in. It didn't last season. I guess we won't know for sure what the impact is until we finally have a transfer window where Barton DOESN'T have a trial pending in some way or another.. he might sign some even better players (assuming he isn't sacked or in prison)
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Post by It's a song on Jun 10, 2022 11:18:18 GMT
It's been adjourned until 23 June. Have you read his autobiography? I've just picked it up in an attempt to not be as anti Barton. Any good? UTG! So far so good. Comes across early that he'd never have made it at the top level or even EFL, if he wasn't the way he is between the ears.
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