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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 11, 2022 22:02:31 GMT
Probably, but I’m pretty sure if he hadn’t been a high profile figure ( Caroline Flack) also, nothing would of come of it ! 💙
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 11, 2022 23:36:54 GMT
I think they were both as bad as each other Georgia Barton said they had both consumed a large amount of alcohol, they are at present sunning themselves abroad with another baby on the way in August, looking very ‘loved up ‘ ! Complete waste of tax payers money ! I’d they can move on why can’t others do the same ! 🤔💙 The charge is domestic violence. Third parties have to be involved to protect those that are being abused. It's very easy to miss: coercive control and ‘gaslighting’ economic abuse I agree with most peoples sentiments, let the legal system run its course. What ever happens (if anything) happens. Hopefully nothing will happen ! 💙
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jun 11, 2022 23:47:04 GMT
Up the Saturday night p1ssed up legal talk gaschat
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Post by dinsdale on Jun 12, 2022 7:07:32 GMT
3 points
1. There are also children involved in the marriage and children are massively impacted by parents abusing eachother. Thats another reason why it cant just be dropped as suggested. The Police will have footage of the injuries and will rightly be worried.
2. There should be more consistency between clubs around how these matters are dealt with. People like myself who felt he should have been suspended had seen many others clubs and the Welsh FA act in this way in similar circumstances. Surely there should be a standard response as that protects all involved.
3. Based on my personal experience of working in courts there is a 0% chance of him going to prison and based on how long it has taken and the court backlogs and how messy it has all got i cant imagine for a second this will ever result in a hearing let alone conviction.
The main thing now is that it needs to end, everyone has to move on and this whole sorry mess put to bed. Im not looking to say i told you so to anyone i just want to find a way back to feeling connected to Rovers again. Its been a tough year for me personally with my Dad and Rovers companion being and continuing to be seriously ill and the fact my principles made me miss all the excitement you have all enjoyed.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2022 7:33:03 GMT
3 points 1. There are also children involved in the marriage and children are massively impacted by parents abusing eachother. Thats another reason why it cant just be dropped as suggested. The Police will have footage of the injuries and will rightly be worried. 2. There should be more consistency between clubs around how these matters are dealt with. People like myself who felt he should have been suspended had seen many others clubs and the Welsh FA act in this way in similar circumstances. Surely there should be a standard response as that protects all involved. 3. Based on my personal experience of working in courts there is a 0% chance of him going to prison and based on how long it has taken and the court backlogs and how messy it has all got i cant imagine for a second this will ever result in a hearing let alone conviction. The main thing now is that it needs to end, everyone has to move on and this whole sorry mess put to bed. Im not looking to say i told you so to anyone i just want to find a way back to feeling connected to Rovers again. Its been a tough year for me personally with my Dad and Rovers companion being and continuing to be seriously ill and the fact my principles made me miss all the excitement you have all enjoyed. Don't points 1 & 3 contradict themselves, as if the case isn't dropped then a hearing will still have to take place? I'm not sure the FA/EFL can suddenly being in rule for DA cases unless they bring in a rule that any manager or player is suspended if charged with any criminal offence. It's fortunate for us they haven't or we'd probably be facing another season in L2.
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Post by Baxtinho on Jun 12, 2022 9:18:13 GMT
2. There should be more consistency between clubs around how these matters are dealt with. People like myself who felt he should have been suspended had seen many others clubs and the Welsh FA act in this way in similar circumstances. Surely there should be a standard response as that protects all involved. The Welsh FA acted immediately, and Man Utd who suspended Greenwood as soon as that horrible audio came out - though I'm not comparing that to Barton's case. I still can't believe he wasn't suspended, but then the club knew what a powder keg they were appointing so I suppose they were always waiting for the next "thing". Ps. Sorry to hear about your old man.
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Post by Baxtinho on Jun 12, 2022 9:29:18 GMT
Don't points 1 & 3 contradict themselves, as if the case isn't dropped then a hearing will still have to take place? I'm not sure the FA/EFL can suddenly being in rule for DA cases unless they bring in a rule that any manager or player is suspended if charged with any criminal offence. It's fortunate for us they haven't or we'd probably be facing another season in L2. Surely a rule exists based on the severity of any charges? Or it certainly should. We've seen with Giggs, Mendy, Greenwood, Sigurdsson that clubs can act if they choose. Another year in L2 doesn't feel important compared to the club doing the right thing - I'm sure any one of us would be suspended from our jobs in Barton's case.
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Post by gasify on Jun 12, 2022 9:39:22 GMT
Don't points 1 & 3 contradict themselves, as if the case isn't dropped then a hearing will still have to take place? I'm not sure the FA/EFL can suddenly being in rule for DA cases unless they bring in a rule that any manager or player is suspended if charged with any criminal offence. It's fortunate for us they haven't or we'd probably be facing another season in L2. Surely a rule exists based on the severity of any charges? Or it certainly should. We've seen with Giggs, Mendy, Greenwood, Sigurdsson that clubs can act if they choose. Another year in L2 doesn't feel important compared to the club doing the right thing - I'm sure any one of us would be suspended from our jobs in Barton's case. That is an interesting one and you are probably right. I am all for making the Domestic Violence rules as tough as possible and I definitely agree that conviction warrants the sack. Suspension on full pay, paid by the government (our tax money) should really be what happens in this situation. Then the employer and employee is protected to a certain extent.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jun 12, 2022 9:56:42 GMT
There’s a few on here I’d like Joey to spark out. 😉. Better make it clear it’s a tongue in cheek comment which will still draw a “p.c” response from some. If offended. I’m pleased for you. Utg. Its clear to see on match days the majority of supporters very much like what Joey is doing at the club.
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Post by playtowin on Jun 12, 2022 12:42:24 GMT
So are we saying that if a person at a club is accussed of breaking the law they also get suspended until the outcome is decided ? Or is it just some laws ? Do those laws have to be relevant to what could happen in the workplace ?
If the person is found guilty is there a blanket response from clubs ie sacked. Or is this dependent on the punishment (fine,warning,prison etc)
Should this also be extended to fans ?
If i am a current attending fan and get prosecuted for trespass on a farmers property. Should i also be banned from attending a football stadium. As evidence suggests i might trespass onto the pitch.
How about a pick pocket or gbh ?
I dont have the answers just thought the questions might provoke ideas from others.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 12, 2022 15:36:04 GMT
Surely a rule exists based on the severity of any charges? Or it certainly should. We've seen with Giggs, Mendy, Greenwood, Sigurdsson that clubs can act if they choose. Another year in L2 doesn't feel important compared to the club doing the right thing - I'm sure any one of us would be suspended from our jobs in Barton's case. That is an interesting one and you are probably right. I am all for making the Domestic Violence rules as tough as possible and I definitely agree that conviction warrants the sack. Suspension on full pay, paid by the government (our tax money) should really be what happens in this situation. Then the employer and employee is protected to a certain extent. Probably should be moved to the political page, but not sure I agree on the tax payer picking up the wage bill for someone who is accused of something. Rather see them putting money supporting the poorer in society. Employers are paid to make decisions and unfortunately how to handle an accused employee is one of them.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 12, 2022 15:36:29 GMT
3 points 1. There are also children involved in the marriage and children are massively impacted by parents abusing eachother. Thats another reason why it cant just be dropped as suggested. The Police will have footage of the injuries and will rightly be worried. 2. There should be more consistency between clubs around how these matters are dealt with. People like myself who felt he should have been suspended had seen many others clubs and the Welsh FA act in this way in similar circumstances. Surely there should be a standard response as that protects all involved. 3. Based on my personal experience of working in courts there is a 0% chance of him going to prison and based on how long it has taken and the court backlogs and how messy it has all got i cant imagine for a second this will ever result in a hearing let alone conviction. The main thing now is that it needs to end, everyone has to move on and this whole sorry mess put to bed. Im not looking to say i told you so to anyone i just want to find a way back to feeling connected to Rovers again. Its been a tough year for me personally with my Dad and Rovers companion being and continuing to be seriously ill and the fact my principles made me miss all the excitement you have all enjoyed. Please find a way back Dins, it is such a special shared bond to discuss Rovers with your Dad - make some more good memories. x
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Post by dinsdale on Jun 12, 2022 18:38:34 GMT
3 points 1. There are also children involved in the marriage and children are massively impacted by parents abusing eachother. Thats another reason why it cant just be dropped as suggested. The Police will have footage of the injuries and will rightly be worried. 2. There should be more consistency between clubs around how these matters are dealt with. People like myself who felt he should have been suspended had seen many others clubs and the Welsh FA act in this way in similar circumstances. Surely there should be a standard response as that protects all involved. 3. Based on my personal experience of working in courts there is a 0% chance of him going to prison and based on how long it has taken and the court backlogs and how messy it has all got i cant imagine for a second this will ever result in a hearing let alone conviction. The main thing now is that it needs to end, everyone has to move on and this whole sorry mess put to bed. Im not looking to say i told you so to anyone i just want to find a way back to feeling connected to Rovers again. Its been a tough year for me personally with my Dad and Rovers companion being and continuing to be seriously ill and the fact my principles made me miss all the excitement you have all enjoyed. Don't points 1 & 3 contradict themselves, as if the case isn't dropped then a hearing will still have to take place? I'm not sure the FA/EFL can suddenly being in rule for DA cases unless they bring in a rule that any manager or player is suspended if charged with any criminal offence. It's fortunate for us they haven't or we'd probably be facing another season in L2. No point 1 referred to fans saying bringing the case was a waste of tax payers money. They had to bring it and take it seriously however iby the time its heard its so far down the line and shes now doing a new statement saying it was an accident i just dont see it going anywhere. They are desperate to free up the courts. As for standardised rules perhaps just an agreement between clubs that either you let the legal process do its thing or you suspend pending legal matters for serious violent or sexual offences. Its odd that its down to the moral compass of the owner
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Post by dinsdale on Jun 12, 2022 18:39:23 GMT
3 points 1. There are also children involved in the marriage and children are massively impacted by parents abusing eachother. Thats another reason why it cant just be dropped as suggested. The Police will have footage of the injuries and will rightly be worried. 2. There should be more consistency between clubs around how these matters are dealt with. People like myself who felt he should have been suspended had seen many others clubs and the Welsh FA act in this way in similar circumstances. Surely there should be a standard response as that protects all involved. 3. Based on my personal experience of working in courts there is a 0% chance of him going to prison and based on how long it has taken and the court backlogs and how messy it has all got i cant imagine for a second this will ever result in a hearing let alone conviction. The main thing now is that it needs to end, everyone has to move on and this whole sorry mess put to bed. Im not looking to say i told you so to anyone i just want to find a way back to feeling connected to Rovers again. Its been a tough year for me personally with my Dad and Rovers companion being and continuing to be seriously ill and the fact my principles made me miss all the excitement you have all enjoyed. Please find a way back Dins, it is such a special shared bond to discuss Rovers with your Dad - make some more good memories. x Unlikely to be with my Dad but thinking of starting with the Melksham game and seeing how i feel.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 12, 2022 19:53:12 GMT
Please find a way back Dins, it is such a special shared bond to discuss Rovers with your Dad - make some more good memories. x Unlikely to be with my Dad but thinking of starting with the Melksham game and seeing how i feel. Fingers crossed for you, might see you there! You'll be able to tell your Dad about it - I'm sure he'll love that.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 23:14:21 GMT
I have no interest in debating if Barton shouldn’t or should be our manager. All we can do is trust in the legal process to make the right call regards Barton, and then assume that the right call has been made accordingly.
But what I do want to say is that it seems like the quarters are being worn again with pride in the north east corner of the city again. Walking about on a nice summers day you’re likely to come across a young child wearing the shirt and I don’t think it’s been quite this way for a while. Long May it last.
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Post by gruad on Jun 13, 2022 0:44:59 GMT
I have to say I feel sorry for JB. Think it has been mental torture for him.
From the previous season into this season he was a dour face wondering if what he was doing right.
But I do remember seeing a picture of him smiling for the first time and I thought it may be alright from this point.
Tbh I didn't think Rovers would do it, but at that point I thought Joey was ok and that was enough
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 13, 2022 8:20:29 GMT
Well the joy of getting promoted didn't last long
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Post by SleepyGas on Jun 13, 2022 8:25:40 GMT
This is a football forum and our football manager has a day in court this month where he will be giving the opportunity to defend himself against an allegation that he assaulted his wife. If the magistrate finds him guilty then our promotion-winning (and, for balance, relegation-suffering) manager will most likely be sacked. The original poster was simply wondering what impact that might have on our ability to finalise transfers/contracts etc while that is unresolved. I think that is a pretty fair question and worthy of debate on this forum. But I suppose some Barton super-fans just get agitated when anyone dares to even mention anything that could be perceived as a negative relating to him? I thought that we'd moved on from the "super-fans", "haters", "cult of JB" labels? Aren't we all Gasheads who may, or may not, have different opinions about the manager? Indeed. But then as soon as anyone mentions the trial they get shouted at for being a "BARTON HATER" etc. Anyway.. nothing wrong with being a Super Fan. Why would anyone take that as an insult? haha
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Post by SleepyGas on Jun 13, 2022 8:27:50 GMT
This is a football forum and our football manager has a day in court this month where he will be giving the opportunity to defend himself against an allegation that he assaulted his wife. If the magistrate finds him guilty then our promotion-winning (and, for balance, relegation-suffering) manager will most likely be sacked. The original poster was simply wondering what impact that might have on our ability to finalise transfers/contracts etc while that is unresolved. I think that is a pretty fair question and worthy of debate on this forum. But I suppose some Barton super-fans just get agitated when anyone dares to even mention anything that could be perceived as a negative relating to him? Any magistrate would find it very difficult to find JB guilty once his wife is given the opportunity to testify in court. It's quite obvious to me that is going to happen because at the previous hearing in spite of the prosecution wanting the case to continue, the magistrate on that day agreed an adjournment to 23rd June. Bodycam footage and no witness statements and his wife not requiring hospital treatment will make it very difficult to persuade a magistrate to find him guilty once his wife gives her support to her husband. Drink has played a big part in this and you need to remember that the magistrate is there to judge on this case alone and not on any previous convictions/ non convictions that JB has. Nothing to worry about then.
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