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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2022 22:03:01 GMT
If the FA are going to get into every incident they didn’t punish then I certainly look forward to the investigation of the Pompey elbow to Belshaws head, for consistency. I agree and what about the incident with Marquis with Oxford where the guy pushed him in the face. I think it doesn't look good for Rossiter (from what I can see on the replay), but it's in the refs line of sight so shouldn't be retrospectively punished. You have to assume the ref is now claiming that he didn't have a clear view, hence the charge.
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Post by pirate on Aug 29, 2022 22:07:11 GMT
View AttachmentThe ref had a clear view as he was stood 15m away watching the play, the ref's the one in the black shorts at the top of the screen, he also spoke to Rossiter and the Shrewsbury player at length after the challenge. It's nonsense to say he missed it, when it's clear he saw it and felt no action was required. If Rossiter had taken the player out with his elbow I doubt he could have just played on after being seen by the physio. Clear view with a Rovers player directly in his line of sight?
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Post by pirate on Aug 29, 2022 22:08:34 GMT
Having watched it back a few times, it looks like he's caught him with an elbow, whether intentional or not.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 30, 2022 4:47:24 GMT
Great, another player out for three games then. Just as Rossiter was starting to get fitter and sharper. Lets hope at least tonight's pizza cup game counts as one of those three matches.
We can complain all we like about Shrewsbury's antics throughout the match, but when they dish out this three match ban, they wont have any interest about what went on before or after.
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Post by nailseamark on Aug 30, 2022 6:08:25 GMT
Well the ref already completely ruined the game. So why not keep punishing us? The group I was with were all new fans. They all said they won’t be returning due to the boredom experienced in last saturdays game. Cheers ref.
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 30, 2022 6:42:00 GMT
I agree and what about the incident with Marquis with Oxford where the guy pushed him in the face. I think it doesn't look good for Rossiter (from what I can see on the replay), but it's in the refs line of sight so shouldn't be retrospectively punished. You have to assume the ref is now claiming that he didn't have a clear view, hence the charge. Correct and three referees have now independently viewed it and all have agreed he is guilty. Why they ask for a response from the player seems pointless, when he has already been deemed to be guilty.
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Post by yetigas on Aug 30, 2022 7:34:00 GMT
If neither the ref nor linesman saw the incident, will they be charged with incompetence?
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Post by TAGas on Aug 30, 2022 7:46:16 GMT
I have watched it a couple times. I think he has caught it with his elbow. However it looks like he's trying to hit the ball out of his hand but has caught the player instead.
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Post by rusho'gas on Aug 30, 2022 7:53:02 GMT
Looks like violent conduct to me. Take the punishment and move on. No point blaming anyone other than Rossiter for his lack of judgement.
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 30, 2022 7:57:58 GMT
If neither the ref nor linesman saw the incident, will they be charged with incompetence? Even without this incident there is enough other evidence to charge them all with incompetence on an industrial scale…….
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Post by mj on Aug 30, 2022 8:38:04 GMT
i was right next to this incident and I can assure you there was minimal contact if any and certainly not intentional.the ref and lino were also very close and both had a good view.If the FA are looking at this then make them watch the whole game.Shrewsbury's performance was bordering on bringing the game into disrepute and the ref was the main problem for allowing it
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 30, 2022 8:56:18 GMT
This happened right in front of me and I look down from the Boxes so saw the whole thing.
The ref blew for an offside and bayliss jumped to grab the ball. At the same time Rossiter jumped and elbowed the ball away. if he did make contact it must have amounted to the ruffle of the back of his hair. It was utter theatrical play acting by Bayliss and nothing more.
I would ask for photos of Bayliss head injury and also question why he wasnt substituted for concussion if the flying elbow was as bad as the "violent conduct" suggests.
Where was this kind of citing last year when Belshaw ended up with a couple of stitches and staples in his head? Absolute joke.
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 30, 2022 9:36:33 GMT
This happened right in front of me and I look down from the Boxes so saw the whole thing. The ref blew for an offside and bayliss jumped to grab the ball. At the same time Rossiter jumped and elbowed the ball away. if he did make contact it must have amounted to the ruffle of the back of his hair. It was utter theatrical play acting by Bayliss and nothing more. I would ask for photos of Bayliss head injury and also question why he wasnt substituted for concussion if the flying elbow was as bad as the "violent conduct" suggests. Where was this kind of citing last year when Belshaw ended up with a couple of stitches and staples in his head? Absolute joke. Violent conduct does not require an injury to prove it happened. He jumped, leading with his elbow. If the referee saw it, it is a straight red. Take the punishment and move on. The fault lies with Rossiter.
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Post by gassince1957 on Aug 30, 2022 9:42:48 GMT
The best video view will be from our tech team cameraman who was right next to where the incident happened. Form my viewpoint in the West Stand directly in line any contact was minimal and certainly not intentional.
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 30, 2022 10:05:52 GMT
The best video view will be from our tech team cameraman who was right next to where the incident happened. Form my viewpoint in the West Stand directly in line any contact was minimal and certainly not intentional. Nice to see posters like myself watching in the same area and very close to the incident all agreeing about what they saw.
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Post by hanham on Aug 30, 2022 10:21:49 GMT
I agree and what about the incident with Marquis with Oxford where the guy pushed him in the face. I think it doesn't look good for Rossiter (from what I can see on the replay), but it's in the refs line of sight so shouldn't be retrospectively punished. You have to assume the ref is now claiming that he didn't have a clear view, hence the charge. I also hope they review the hand into Marquis face recently whilst he was flat on his back. They only have to watch the EFL highlights programme to see it.
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Post by gasmania on Aug 30, 2022 10:31:29 GMT
You have to assume the ref is now claiming that he didn't have a clear view, hence the charge. I also hope they review the hand into Marquis face recently whilst he was flat on his back. They only have to watch the EFL highlights programme to see it. By the sounds of it, in order to retrospectively punish an offence the referee must completely miss the incident in the game. The referee from the Oxford game deals with the marquis incident at the time and deemed it not worthy of a red, so, rightly or wrongly, don't think they would be able to go back now?
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 30, 2022 10:35:18 GMT
This happened right in front of me and I look down from the Boxes so saw the whole thing. The ref blew for an offside and bayliss jumped to grab the ball. At the same time Rossiter jumped and elbowed the ball away. if he did make contact it must have amounted to the ruffle of the back of his hair. It was utter theatrical play acting by Bayliss and nothing more. I would ask for photos of Bayliss head injury and also question why he wasnt substituted for concussion if the flying elbow was as bad as the "violent conduct" suggests. Where was this kind of citing last year when Belshaw ended up with a couple of stitches and staples in his head? Absolute joke. Violent conduct does not require an injury to prove it happened. He jumped, leading with his elbow. If the referee saw it, it is a straight red. Take the punishment and move on. The fault lies with Rossiter. I disagree. It’s either violent conduct or it isn’t. Either a whack has landed intentionally or it hasn’t. Violent conduct is an intention to make contact, which leads to making contact which causes an injury or at the very least, a foul. The sort we have gotten used to Ibrahimovich making over the years. The whistle had already gone and it was a tussle for the ball. If that’s violent conduct then Mansell should have been sent off of going nose to nose and then planting a kiss on someone.
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Post by SleepyGas on Aug 30, 2022 10:36:20 GMT
The best video view will be from our tech team cameraman who was right next to where the incident happened. Form my viewpoint in the West Stand directly in line any contact was minimal and certainly not intentional. Nice to see posters like myself watching in the same area and very close to the incident all agreeing about what they saw. I doubt that fan testimonies will carry much weight in any appeal Best hope is that we have video footage from another angle that exonerates him.. because otherwise it is looking like a 3 game ban.. McCormick had better find that match fitness pretty sharpish!!
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Post by SleepyGas on Aug 30, 2022 10:51:46 GMT
Violent conduct does not require an injury to prove it happened. He jumped, leading with his elbow. If the referee saw it, it is a straight red. Take the punishment and move on. The fault lies with Rossiter. I disagree. It’s either violent conduct or it isn’t. Either a whack has landed intentionally or it hasn’t. Violent conduct is an intention to make contact, which leads to making contact which causes an injury or at the very least, a foul. The sort we have gotten used to Ibrahimovich making over the years. The whistle had already gone and it was a tussle for the ball. If that’s violent conduct then Mansell should have been sent off of going nose to nose and then planting a kiss on someone. Kissing someone without their consent is illegal. It's sexual assault. Mansell was lucky that the victim didn't press charges.......
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