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Post by Rod1883 on Sept 9, 2022 13:11:23 GMT
I find myself torn over this. On the one hand it is understandable for the authorities to want to mark their respect for our much loved monarch of over 70 years - a person that has been an ever present for most of us for all of our lives - by postponing this weekend's fixtures. On the other hand, I'm certain that Her Late Majesty would not have wanted this to mean everything stops for days and days.
My own view is that it is no longer the early or mid twentieth century and it isn't the right thing to shut down everything now, despite my full support of the Monarchy. As others have said it could only add to the anti-monarchist argument.
To postpone fixtures today is appropriate, the whole weekend is not
The funeral is most likely to be Monday 19th or Tuesday 20th - again no fixtures on those days would be appropriate.
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Post by kruger on Sept 9, 2022 13:15:37 GMT
nope, they are shutting all pubs aswell I'm sat in one. it's true I tell you, some bloke down the pub told me
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Post by bluegas on Sept 9, 2022 13:18:43 GMT
Yes. It is. Why is "respect" just no sport and some other things? No problem with the mourning period. No problem with organised events. No problem respecting and remembering her life. But why pick and choose a few things that have to stop? But agree, plenty of other things to worry about in this country. None of which are getting better with an obsession with monarchy. If anything, they are getting worse. Strikes have been cancelled also so it's not just Sport stepping down to show respect. Not sure Monarchy obsession is also correct, just a humble feeling towards a Lady who put 70 years worth of service into her role as Queen. First - I was impressed that the strikes were called off. Nice touch. Second - yes s, respect to an old lady for 70 years service. I have been reprimanded for daring to compare the Monarchy with the leadership of other countries. Can I be clear? I'm not a sycophantic, simpering Royalist, just think it's better than most countries round the world. The politicians and civil servants still rule the country. It's hardly the Monarchy's fault, for instance, for offshore tax evasion - any politician could do something about it. The Monarchy wouldn't interfere.
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2022 13:30:21 GMT
Strikes have been cancelled also so it's not just Sport stepping down to show respect. Not sure Monarchy obsession is also correct, just a humble feeling towards a Lady who put 70 years worth of service into her role as Queen. First - I was impressed that the strikes were called off. Nice touch. Second - yes s, respect to an old lady for 70 years service. I have been reprimanded for daring to compare the Monarchy with the leadership of other countries. Can I be clear? I'm not a sycophantic, simpering Royalist, just think it's better than most countries round the world. The politicians and civil servants still rule the country. It's hardly the Monarchy's fault, for instance, for offshore tax evasion - any politician could do something about it. The Monarchy wouldn't interfere. The Queen's estate reportedly invested millions into offshore tax-sheltered funds located in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 9, 2022 13:35:13 GMT
nope, they are shutting all pubs aswell I'm sat in one. Baggy you are always in one
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 9, 2022 13:37:00 GMT
First - I was impressed that the strikes were called off. Nice touch. Second - yes s, respect to an old lady for 70 years service. I have been reprimanded for daring to compare the Monarchy with the leadership of other countries. Can I be clear? I'm not a sycophantic, simpering Royalist, just think it's better than most countries round the world. The politicians and civil servants still rule the country. It's hardly the Monarchy's fault, for instance, for offshore tax evasion - any politician could do something about it. The Monarchy wouldn't interfere. The Queen's estate reportedly invested millions into offshore tax-sheltered funds located in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda.So do i, and your point is......
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Post by bluegas on Sept 9, 2022 13:41:39 GMT
First - I was impressed that the strikes were called off. Nice touch. Second - yes s, respect to an old lady for 70 years service. I have been reprimanded for daring to compare the Monarchy with the leadership of other countries. Can I be clear? I'm not a sycophantic, simpering Royalist, just think it's better than most countries round the world. The politicians and civil servants still rule the country. It's hardly the Monarchy's fault, for instance, for offshore tax evasion - any politician could do something about it. The Monarchy wouldn't interfere. The Queen's estate reportedly invested millions into offshore tax-sheltered funds located in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda. Let's see the politicians get on it then.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 9, 2022 13:51:20 GMT
All grassroots football cancelled by the FA. Absolute farcical overreaction. Kids getting their games cancelled will go to the cinema, be dragged out shopping by their parents, go to McDonalds or sit on the X boxes all day instead - unless of course they do what the FA presumably expect them to do which is sit indoors in their funeral attire looking miserable. Yes. I’m a bit gutted for my son, who was due to play his first game for his new team tomorrow. They are still going ahead with training so seems a bit unnecessary. I can see why there might be a reason to cancel the bigger events if there’s the possibility of dissent (but I don’t agree with them being called off), but I don’t personally see why playing kids football matches is lacking in respect, when cricket and horse racing events, to name just two sports, are going on over the weekend.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 9, 2022 13:54:15 GMT
Makes even less sense with Rugby Union being played this weekend.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 9, 2022 13:56:31 GMT
British Eventing has respectfully decided to carry on with events but will have a 2 minutes silence and a media blackout. So the posh sports carry on. That's even more reason why the 'working class' sports should carry on. All or nothing, simple as that Edit:- English athletics also posted. In short it's up to individual authorities but there is no reason to cancel events except for the day of the funeral. Only a recommendation that a moment of silence and black arm bands. In short, keep going but with a bit of respect
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 9, 2022 13:57:17 GMT
PR f*ck up from the FA then, they’ve got egg on their face now.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 9, 2022 14:07:48 GMT
As a chairman of a local grassroots kid's football club, totally agree. What a great opportunity to talk to the kids about their country, the monarchy, pride and respect, and how they are part of something much bigger than them. Wasted. And that can't be done without playing a Match? Without a match the coaches won't see them. It's not just matches cancelled but all grassroots football activity this weekend. A minutes silence adds ceremony and a focal point around any discussion. When we've previously had a minute's silence before a game, Remembrance Sunday or a bereavement at the club, that's exactly what's happened, and I think it's been good for the kids. Plus the opportunity for parents etc to get together and talk about it. There was a guy on the BBC just now saying about people coming together in community groups. Well the biggest community groups in the country are grassroots football clubs, and the FA and the Government has closed them for the weekend.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 9, 2022 14:11:52 GMT
All grassroots football cancelled by the FA. Absolute farcical overreaction. Kids getting their games cancelled will go to the cinema, be dragged out shopping by their parents, go to McDonalds or sit on the X boxes all day instead - unless of course they do what the FA presumably expect them to do which is sit indoors in their funeral attire looking miserable. Yes. I’m a bit gutted for my son, who was due to play his first game for his new team tomorrow. They are still going ahead with training so seems a bit unnecessary. I can see why there might be a reason to cancel the bigger events if there’s the possibility of dissent (but I don’t agree with them being called off), but I don’t personally see why playing kids football matches is lacking in respect, when cricket and horse racing events, to name just two sports, are going on over the weekend. Who does he play for bud?
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 9, 2022 14:15:50 GMT
Guidance which the Government has issued on the period of National Mourning in relation to major events, entertainment, and sports (at either elite or grassroots level). “There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations. If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.”
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 9, 2022 14:18:18 GMT
I find myself torn over this. On the one hand it is understandable for the authorities to want to mark their respect for our much loved monarch of over 70 years - a person that has been an ever present for most of us for all of our lives - by postponing this weekend's fixtures. On the other hand, I'm certain that Her Late Majesty would not have wanted this to mean everything stops for days and days. My own view is that it is no longer the early or mid twentieth century and it isn't the right thing to shut down everything now, despite my full support of the Monarchy. As others have said it could only add to the anti-monarchist argument. To postpone fixtures today is appropriate, the whole weekend is not The funeral is most likely to be Monday 19th or Tuesday 20th - again no fixtures on those days would be appropriate. Well said Rod. I think the authorities have just about done the right thing but whatever course of action they took they would have been lambasted, either way. In the end they made a decision which I think will look better in a month’s, year’s time as being the right one to take. Had they not done this I think they would have looked back with regret. Part of the problem everyone will face in the days ahead will be that there is no precedent for this, no previous event that the authorities can look back on and see what they did last time. Everyone is reacting to this for the first time in 70 years and for a Queen who was a very present figure in people’s lives. The previous monarchs were quite distant figures the Queen isn’t. And in the age of social media we heard about her death within minutes not days as in the past and for the past 20 years her life and that of other members of the royal family have been lived out daily in the media. We know her better than any other monarch. Good luck to all those who are re-writing what we do in these circumstances, what we stop and what we continue with. Not easy I would imagine. UTG!
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Post by RD on Sept 9, 2022 14:20:30 GMT
Guidance which the Government has issued on the period of National Mourning in relation to major events, entertainment, and sports (at either elite or grassroots level). “There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations. If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions. As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands.” Does seem pretty nuts that it's cancelled then. As someone else said - if she had passed late tonight or even first thing tomorrow morning I'd fully understand and expect all games to be cancelled. But given she passed on Thursday and the matches are Saturday, it seems a bit OTT. It's even more exasperated given other sporting bodies are carrying on, and that a minute (or two's) silence, black armbands etc could easily have marked the occassion. My guess is that the FA and the Football League already regret the decision, now other sporting bodies have decided to carry on. Whether or not they'll have the balls to do a U-turn is another matter... I very much doubt it though.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 9, 2022 14:21:23 GMT
Yes. I’m a bit gutted for my son, who was due to play his first game for his new team tomorrow. They are still going ahead with training so seems a bit unnecessary. I can see why there might be a reason to cancel the bigger events if there’s the possibility of dissent (but I don’t agree with them being called off), but I don’t personally see why playing kids football matches is lacking in respect, when cricket and horse racing events, to name just two sports, are going on over the weekend. Who does he play for bud? Just a local team near Leeds, where we live. Under 10s football.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 9, 2022 14:24:40 GMT
PR f*ck up from the FA then, they’ve got egg on their face now. No they don’t. No **** up either. All, they’ve done is make their own decision in line with the overall guidance. Up to each sport to decide what to do, the FA, EFL and PL have made their decision, others have made a different one. Opinions vary like they do on here. They’ve made a decision that some like and feel appropriate and others don’t. Much like most decisions I’d say. 👍 UTG!
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 9, 2022 14:29:49 GMT
Who does he play for bud? Just a local team near Leeds, where we live. Under 10s football. Ah nice
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Post by peterparker on Sept 9, 2022 14:31:25 GMT
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