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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 27, 2022 0:53:02 GMT
Elliott and Disley was way before DC? Wow what an idiot hahaha that was Trollope’s biggest mistake! I think DC was a similar problem tho, replacing good players with worse ones For DC it’s gotta be Stefan Payne, Johnny Burn & Kyle Bennett’s 3.5 year deal😫😫
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Post by kylegas on Sept 27, 2022 1:02:41 GMT
Wow what an idiot hahaha that was Trollope’s biggest mistake! I think DC was a similar problem tho, replacing good players with worse ones For DC it’s gotta be Stefan Payne, Johnny Burn & Kyle Bennett’s 3.5 year deal😫😫 It’s a long list isn’t it lol
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 27, 2022 6:02:50 GMT
Was interviewed on Radio Stoke today and commenting on a 3-0 defeat to Peterborough said ,'We'll dust ourselves down and go again'. You mean he didn't blame the ballboy?!
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Post by justin blue on Sept 27, 2022 11:41:17 GMT
What a shame that happy memories of Darrell’s time with us has to turn into a character assassination of our present manager.
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Post by The Equaliser on Sept 27, 2022 11:44:34 GMT
Was interviewed on Radio Stoke today and commenting on a 3-0 defeat to Peterborough said ,'We'll dust ourselves down and go again'. You mean he didn't blame the ballboy?! No he blamed Wael al Qadi, he also blamed him for the collapse of the pound, the Covid pandemic, the war in Ukraine and has proof that everything is Waels fault. I can’t believe you missed it!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 27, 2022 11:57:04 GMT
So Trollope, Clarke and possibly now Barton are finding that recruitment for this league is tough. Big leap up to compete with the big boys of the league set against a high expectation. Oh for the days when we could pick up Nigel Martyn from St Blazey, Gary Penrice and Phil Purnell from Mangotsfield, Devon White from Grantham and bring through the likes of Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart through the youth system. Different times, I’m sure but are we lacking a bit of imagination with our recruitment? The non league gems are certainly still out there.
Pirate will have something to say about this, I’m sure. We seem to have some promising youngsters like Jones, Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson, Martinez, but they don’t progress, or are not allowed to progress. Managers don’t seem to want to risk playing these players in league games and they end up being turfed out on loan never to be seen again. Are they just not up to it or are we not getting the best out of them?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 27, 2022 12:30:57 GMT
Elliott and Disley was way before DC? Wow what an idiot hahaha that was Trollope’s biggest mistake! I think DC was a similar problem tho, replacing good players with worse ones You could have just claimed it was one big massive clever meta reference to how we see the same problems each time we get promoted out of league one.
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Post by eric on Sept 27, 2022 12:46:44 GMT
So Trollope, Clarke and possibly now Barton are finding that recruitment for this league is tough. Big leap up to compete with the big boys of the league set against a high expectation. Oh for the days when we could pick up Nigel Martyn from St Blazey, Gary Penrice and Phil Purnell from Mangotsfield, Devon White from Grantham and bring through the likes of Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart through the youth system. Different times, I’m sure but are we lacking a bit of imagination with our recruitment? The non league gems are certainly still out there. Pirate will have something to say about this, I’m sure. We seem to have some promising youngsters like Jones, Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson, Martinez, but they don’t progress, or are not allowed to progress. Managers don’t seem to want to risk playing these players in league games and they end up being turfed out on loan never to be seen again. Are they just not up to it or are we not getting the best out of them? Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson and Martinez have dropped to the 6th tier - I think the likes of Phillips, Hargreaves, Walker the same. I’m sure if they were good enough for the 3rd tier and we’ve made a mistake we’ll soon see them getting snapped up by EFL sides.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 27, 2022 12:52:39 GMT
What a shame that happy memories of Darrell’s time with us has to turn into a character assassination of our present manager. I think that was always going to happen with question 2 in there. To even things up...one thing I would say in Barton's favour is that his new squad finished higher than Clarkes team last season, and that was after giving everyone 4 months head start!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 27, 2022 12:56:15 GMT
So Trollope, Clarke and possibly now Barton are finding that recruitment for this league is tough. Big leap up to compete with the big boys of the league set against a high expectation. Oh for the days when we could pick up Nigel Martyn from St Blazey, Gary Penrice and Phil Purnell from Mangotsfield, Devon White from Grantham and bring through the likes of Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart through the youth system. Different times, I’m sure but are we lacking a bit of imagination with our recruitment? The non league gems are certainly still out there. Pirate will have something to say about this, I’m sure. We seem to have some promising youngsters like Jones, Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson, Martinez, but they don’t progress, or are not allowed to progress. Managers don’t seem to want to risk playing these players in league games and they end up being turfed out on loan never to be seen again. Are they just not up to it or are we not getting the best out of them? Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson and Martinez have dropped to the 6th tier - I think the likes of Phillips, Hargreaves, Walker the same. I’m sure if they were good enough for the 3rd tier and we’ve made a mistake we’ll soon see them getting snapped up by EFL sides. Is there not more to it than that? It’s that vital time in a players development, from 18-21 where if they don’t kick on they are often lost to the game. Is there more we could be doing? Certainly Russe, Tomlinson and Martinez all looked promising in a Rovers shirt when arriving on the scene and got minutes at a good level. Is it totally on them that they seem to have gone backwards or is there something we could have done better as a club? We did have a few that came through the system (Lockyer, Harrison, O Clarke and then Kilgour) and established themselves but it’s been a good few years. What was different then or did they just have more about them?
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Post by pirate on Sept 27, 2022 13:45:30 GMT
Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson and Martinez have dropped to the 6th tier - I think the likes of Phillips, Hargreaves, Walker the same. I’m sure if they were good enough for the 3rd tier and we’ve made a mistake we’ll soon see them getting snapped up by EFL sides. Is there not more to it than that? It’s that vital time in a players development, from 18-21 where if they don’t kick on they are often lost to the game. Is there more we could be doing? Certainly Russe, Tomlinson and Martinez all looked promising in a Rovers shirt when arriving on the scene and got minutes at a good level. Is it totally on them that they seem to have gone backwards or is there something we could have done better as a club? We did have a few that came through the system (Lockyer, Harrison, O Clarke and then Kilgour) and established themselves but it’s been a good few years. What was different then or did they just have more about them? Not having a development squad and regular games for lads after leaving the U18's won't help.
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Post by rainhamgas on Sept 27, 2022 13:56:14 GMT
Jeez, this is like pining after an old girlfriend! Move on people….
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 27, 2022 14:02:23 GMT
Jeez, this is like pining after an old girlfriend! Move on people…. I think people are forgetting how bad we were when he left. I was one who would have wanted him to stay even if we went down but he's gone and that's football.
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Post by squire on Sept 27, 2022 14:18:45 GMT
I could not wait for him to go he was awful
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 27, 2022 14:35:12 GMT
I could not wait for him to go he was awful Christ
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Post by rainhamgas on Sept 27, 2022 14:45:46 GMT
Jeez, this is like pining after an old girlfriend! Move on people…. I think people are forgetting how bad we were when he left. I was one who would have wanted him to stay even if we went down but he's gone and that's football. Agreed, we were on a downward spiral. Respect to the bloke for what he did but everyone has a ‘sell by date’
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 27, 2022 14:48:36 GMT
What a shame that happy memories of Darrell’s time with us has to turn into a character assassination of our present manager. Perhaps that may well be the reason that the original poster was wanting, especially considering question 2. Very sad.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 27, 2022 15:06:04 GMT
So Trollope, Clarke and possibly now Barton are finding that recruitment for this league is tough. Big leap up to compete with the big boys of the league set against a high expectation. Oh for the days when we could pick up Nigel Martyn from St Blazey, Gary Penrice and Phil Purnell from Mangotsfield, Devon White from Grantham and bring through the likes of Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart through the youth system. Different times, I’m sure but are we lacking a bit of imagination with our recruitment? The non league gems are certainly still out there. Pirate will have something to say about this, I’m sure. We seem to have some promising youngsters like Jones, Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson, Martinez, but they don’t progress, or are not allowed to progress. Managers don’t seem to want to risk playing these players in league games and they end up being turfed out on loan never to be seen again. Are they just not up to it or are we not getting the best out of them? Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson and Martinez have dropped to the 6th tier - I think the likes of Phillips, Hargreaves, Walker the same. I’m sure if they were good enough for the 3rd tier and we’ve made a mistake we’ll soon see them getting snapped up by EFL sides. But eric, it’s not as simple as that is it? Hard to generalise but some of those were not given a chance after initially impressing. Even if they don’t get picked up again it doesn’t mean they weren’t good enough. You just have to look at the statistics of players released by PL academies to see that some may be good enough but they also need the opportunity to play alongside experienced players, learn their trade, make mistakes and gradually improve in grown up football. I’m not saying all those mentioned would have ‘made it’ but I hope Jones is given a chance in the quarters where Russe and Tomlinson weren’t. Not sure that Walker was going to make it despite some chances with us. But players 19-21 need to be given that chance and I’m not sure many have had that at Rovers recently. Part of the answer over the past 3 years may be the position we’ve been in. BGs reign was a disaster and in that time between appointment and the season ending it turned into quite a poor season from one of promise. BG was under pressure straight away and it was probably not the environment to try youngsters. Then the next season was just awful, starting badly and getting worse. Istr Hargreaves and Walker getting chances but with 3 managers and in a relegation fight it was another toxic environment, probably not the best place to blood youngsters. Then last season youngsters were given a chance despite an awful start. Trouble was they weren’t our youngsters, they belonged to other clubs and as the results showed they were a class above ours. But it was good to see Hoole make the step up and given a season of consolidation this year playing in a familiar position to last season, full back, he could kick on but again the team/ manager/ position in the league is putting pressure on so it’s more difficult. And the manager seems to want to p,at a different defensive system this season. It’s been a tough 3 years, the managers have always needed instant results and perhaps you can’t always get that with youngsters. Though last season showed that with the right youngsters you can do that in League 2. League 1 is a different proposition though. JB is the manager and he decides but I’d like to have seen Jones given a run in the team alongside some of the more experienced players. Then with Hoole and Alfie, when he’s chosen, I think we’d have had as many home grown as many teams in the league. UTG!
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Post by SleepyGas on Sept 27, 2022 15:11:50 GMT
Jeez, this is like pining after an old girlfriend! Move on people…. I think people are forgetting how bad we were when he left. I was one who would have wanted him to stay even if we went down but he's gone and that's football. Given we were a league higher than when he came in, I did feel like he deserved a chance to get us back up if he took us down. But him leaving that season did begin to seem inevitable. We were on a downward trajectory and it really seemed like he was out of ideas and had given up But I was still very sad when the time came. I had hoped against hope he could somehow turn it around (like GC did, to his credit). I will still remember the DC era very fondly. When he was appointed manager he was thrown in at the deep end with 8 games to play and wasn't far off keeping us up. Then he stuck with us and built a squad we could be proud of and got us promoted not once - but TWICE - in successive seasons. We might have even sneaked a third if certain release clauses weren't met Would I want him back? Well the brain says (probably) No, but the heart says (very much) Yes! When we had just sacked Tisdale and suddenly DC resigned from Walsall it seemed like the hero was returning and I was definitely very excited at the prospect. Just as I was when Gerry Francis came back.. and when John Ward came back... so probably lucky he didn't!
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Post by garystash on Sept 27, 2022 15:17:51 GMT
Do I think he'll ever come back? Maybe, but it would probably be a mistake.
What was his biggest mistake? Not replacing Matty Taylor
Would I swap him for Barton? Not in a million, and here's why...
Barton's contacts have enabled much better recruitment imo. The dross brought in by Clarke got worse as time went on.
The football under Clarke was never that exciting for me. Results were good for 2 seasons, obviously, but the football was slow and laborious.
The football under Barton last season is the best I have witnessed at Rovers, certainly in the last 20 years. I was regularly entertained.
Although we aren't there at the moment, you have to believe we can get back there again. Maybe not this season, but at some point in the near future.
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