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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2022 15:33:18 GMT
One of the major nails in coffin for DC tenure was insistence on playing TN rain or shine and his abysmal scoring record, but still getting the gig.
Every manager has his day, and if they're not poached appear to adopt an arrogantness about themselves.
We all remember the good days, but the last few months were cringing ... Persist with 4-3-3 with the players not to do it ... Coveting Kyle Bennett and giving him 4 year contract and the points made above by gt.
Also, never go back in football. It does work, sometimes, but more often than not it's a disastrous....the last 2 were Gerry and John Ward.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 27, 2022 15:42:19 GMT
So Trollope, Clarke and possibly now Barton are finding that recruitment for this league is tough. Big leap up to compete with the big boys of the league set against a high expectation. Oh for the days when we could pick up Nigel Martyn from St Blazey, Gary Penrice and Phil Purnell from Mangotsfield, Devon White from Grantham and bring through the likes of Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart through the youth system. Different times, I’m sure but are we lacking a bit of imagination with our recruitment? The non league gems are certainly still out there. Pirate will have something to say about this, I’m sure. We seem to have some promising youngsters like Jones, Russe, Hulbert, Tomlinson, Martinez, but they don’t progress, or are not allowed to progress. Managers don’t seem to want to risk playing these players in league games and they end up being turfed out on loan never to be seen again. Are they just not up to it or are we not getting the best out of them? I tend to think the latter is true, for some reason the development system works up to a point then they come up against a brick wall and get farmed out here and there. I was always convinced the likes of Tomlinson, Mehew jnr would go on to have good careers in the game but the club did not seem to back them Is Getting farmed out here and there for a few games really the best way to develop players? Some say if they are good enough, they will prosper but i do not think it is that simple especially if you are farmed out to struggling teams which is often the case.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 27, 2022 15:58:23 GMT
I bet he secretly regrets turning Leeds down. Yes he may have been sacked by them soon after, but that pay off would have set him and his family up.
It's easy to say in hindsight but I was surprised at the time he didnt leave. You have to take your chances in football and he had taken us as far as we could realistically go.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 27, 2022 16:52:46 GMT
I bet he secretly regrets turning Leeds down. Yes he may have been sacked by them soon after, but that pay off would have set him and his family up. It's easy to say in hindsight but I was surprised at the time he didnt leave. You have to take your chances in football and he had taken us as far as we could realistically go. You’re right of course regarding Leeds. But the thing that endeared DC to us fans so much was the fact he turned them down and stayed with us. It’s what made DC so special. He could have taken it and still have been with us when the 1st Round of the FA cup came around!!😉 UTG!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Sept 27, 2022 17:00:50 GMT
What a shame that happy memories of Darrell’s time with us has to turn into a character assassination of our present manager. Perhaps that may well be the reason that the original poster was wanting, especially considering question 2. Very sad. To be fair, the bloke has done a great job of making his own name, mud.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 27, 2022 17:25:33 GMT
Was DC ever really offered the Leeds job or even seriously considered for the job or was it just media/forum speculation?
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Post by pirate on Sept 27, 2022 17:50:23 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 27, 2022 18:46:59 GMT
A lot of assumptions that he was on a bad deal with us and that the Leeds deal was that much better.
Suspect it wasn't necessarily that good of a deal else he'd have seen £££ signs and gone if it was THAT good.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 27, 2022 18:54:59 GMT
A lot of assumptions that he was on a bad deal with us and that the Leeds deal was that much better. Suspect it wasn't necessarily that good of a deal else he'd have seen £££ signs and gone if it was THAT good. Perhaps money's not everything to DC, I assume he was on a decent wage at Rovers, perhaps he didn't need any more money to live a comfortable life? Plus he would have known he would be under tremendous pressure at Leeds and perhaps he also knew deep down he wasn't ready to step up to being a Championship manager.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 27, 2022 19:05:54 GMT
The issue I have with this thread, owing to my original post on it, is that we're not looking back on good times. We're looking back longingly at DC, which is fine, but we're comparing our current manager with him and I'm sorry we've just got to move on. We can't spend our lives fawning over the past for something that's gone.
Whilst Joey's first half a season was awful and the first couple of games in L2 were awful too the season ended fantastically. Whilst it's miserable now and I'm pretty miserable personally about our performance so far this season what happened between December and May gives me faith we'll come good this season. I still think he can take us places as a club and my disappointment with how things have gone so far this season are ultimately a reflection of the optimism that was in place leading into the season. That said, he's still acting like a knob head off the pitch amassing controversy though which is a massive downer.
That said, no matter what JB or his successors when the time come manage to achieve, no matter how they do it, I don't think it'll compare to seeing Mansell smash in that penalty and the memory of Darrell running over to us. Or Billy Bodin's mazey dribble going in and watching what must have been 30 odd shots on goal nearly all of them solid efforts only for Browner to pop out of nowhere and score the snakes rebound at the dying breath of the game, to wait and then hear that roar from the back of the East stand breeze through the stadium in a crescendo. Call me crazy but no matter how outrageous, how obscene winning 7-0 to squeeze out a promotion comes second for me in terms of emotional attachment to that crazy win against Dagenham, which just doesn't make logical sense.
But we just can't compare whoever is our manager at a given time with DC because they'll just not compare for so many. No matter who they are. And IMO, it just risks spoiling what's there in front of us. Not a problem when times are bad but why let it spoil the good times? Because there will be good times ahead, just as there are bad times arguably right at this time.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 27, 2022 19:07:30 GMT
A lot of assumptions that he was on a bad deal with us and that the Leeds deal was that much better. Suspect it wasn't necessarily that good of a deal else he'd have seen £££ signs and gone if it was THAT good. Perhaps money's not everything to DC, I assume he was on a decent wage at Rovers, perhaps he didn't need any more money to live a comfortable life? Plus he would have known he would be under tremendous pressure at Leeds and perhaps he also knew deep down he wasn't ready to step up to being a Championship manager. Absolutely. Still not convinced it was necessarily as big of a deal financially as people are assuming though!
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Post by kylegas on Sept 27, 2022 21:25:42 GMT
Can someone help me with the name of that useless striker DC signed to replace Taylor?? Was just talking about him and can’t for the life of me remember his damn name!!
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Post by pirate on Sept 27, 2022 21:26:37 GMT
Can someone help me with the name of that useless striker DC signed to replace Taylor?? Was just talking about him and can’t for the life of me remember his damn name!! Stefan Payne?
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Post by kylegas on Sept 27, 2022 21:27:02 GMT
Wow what an idiot hahaha that was Trollope’s biggest mistake! I think DC was a similar problem tho, replacing good players with worse ones You could have just claimed it was one big massive clever meta reference to how we see the same problems each time we get promoted out of league one. If you’ve taken that from my mistake then my work here is done haha
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Post by kylegas on Sept 27, 2022 21:42:32 GMT
Can someone help me with the name of that useless striker DC signed to replace Taylor?? Was just talking about him and can’t for the life of me remember his damn name!! Stefan Payne? No it was a season long loan when we expected Taylor to leave, then he signed and stayed half season before joining the scum, DC later admitted he was meant to be Taylor’s replacement as nobody thought Taylor was gonna sign. don’t think he ended up scoring a single goal From Portsmouth maybe 🤔
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 27, 2022 21:43:53 GMT
Can someone help me with the name of that useless striker DC signed to replace Taylor?? Was just talking about him and can’t for the life of me remember his damn name!! Stefan Payne? Payne replaced Harrison? Didn't Nichols replace Taylor?
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Post by kylegas on Sept 27, 2022 21:44:56 GMT
But who’s the one I’m thinking of!! Lol
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Post by pirate on Sept 27, 2022 21:48:17 GMT
No it was a season long loan when we expected Taylor to leave, then he signed and stayed half season before joining the scum, DC later admitted he was meant to be Taylor’s replacement as nobody thought Taylor was gonna sign. don’t think he ended up scoring a single goal From Portsmouth maybe 🤔 So many players come and go it's hard to keep track sometimes. Luke James?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 27, 2022 21:48:52 GMT
No it was a season long loan when we expected Taylor to leave, then he signed and stayed half season before joining the scum, DC later admitted he was meant to be Taylor’s replacement as nobody thought Taylor was gonna sign. don’t think he ended up scoring a single goal From Portsmouth maybe 🤔 Luke James?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 27, 2022 21:51:20 GMT
Blimey DC signed some awful strikers in L1, Nichols, Payne, James and Bennett.
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