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Post by aghast on Jan 5, 2023 22:49:13 GMT
Well we have been told by some posters that Under 21s will definitely not be playing in the lower leagues, ever.
But now it seems the powers that be are discussing moving up a level to the League Cup (as was), in a stealthy way where there are fixture clashes. Next is the FA Cup, maybe. Well obviously. And then we're almost there. It's a long game they're playing, but they are determined to win it. Just keep attending the Mickey Mouse cup fixtures, and you will be able to watch us play Man City U21s at the Mem in a league game in a few years.
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Post by mftc on Jan 6, 2023 8:32:28 GMT
Well we have been told by some posters that Under 21s will definitely not be playing in the lower leagues, ever. But now it seems the powers that be are discussing moving up a level to the League Cup (as was), in a stealthy way where there are fixture clashes. Next is the FA Cup, maybe. Well obviously. And then we're almost there. It's a long game they're playing, but they are determined to win it. Just keep attending the Mickey Mouse cup fixtures, and you will be able to watch us play Man City U21s at the Mem in a league game in a few years. Or you could say Don't attend the Mickey Mouse cup fixtures and you will be able to see Man City U21s at the Mem in a league game in a few years time anyway!. If it is going to happen, it will happen. There is absolutely nothing a fan from the third division can do about it. Surely it is best to help the club financially to help push them to the Championship?. If we get to Wembley that will make us more attractive to summer transfer targets and give us extra monies to spend on signings.
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 6, 2023 8:39:07 GMT
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 6, 2023 9:13:43 GMT
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Don't think many are neutral on the idea of Prem U21s being in competitions, just the effectiveness of certain methods of protest. I'm not convinced myself that a boycott is going to work and iirc, Rovers voted against their inclusion.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jan 6, 2023 11:06:21 GMT
Too many tinpot clubs about that will take the Prem bribes unfortunately, maybe us clubs against the U23 inclusion should just walk away and start our own cup competition?
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Post by calcio on Jan 6, 2023 11:25:51 GMT
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Who decides what injustice is, then?
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Post by Marshy on Jan 6, 2023 11:35:11 GMT
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Who decides what injustice is, then? The Spanish Inquisition - I never expected that!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 6, 2023 13:23:03 GMT
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Is this a quote from the Mick Lynch or Ox/Bridge debating society play book ? what relevance has this to do with whether or not you choose to watch or not watch the Gas in the JPT ?, we can all make our own decision, currently not many are turning up to watch, however if the boys get to Wembley, i will predict the M4 will be full of Gasheads beating a path to the Wembley way, and there is nothing wrong with that. Utg
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Post by baggins on Jan 6, 2023 13:43:17 GMT
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Is this a quote from the Mick Lynch or Ox/Bridge debating society play book ? what relevance has this to do with whether or not you choose to watch or not watch the Gas in the JPT ?, we can all make our own decision, currently not many are turning up to watch, however if the boys get to Wembley, i will predict the M4 will be full of Gasheads beating a path to the Wembley way, and there is nothing wrong with that. Utg I've not gone to this because paying for, travelling to, and supporting the lads on the League games is enough for me. If we get to the Final I'll probably go, for the day out, and I don't feel bad or hypocritical about that, at all.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 6, 2023 14:08:28 GMT
Is this a quote from the Mick Lynch or Ox/Bridge debating society play book ? what relevance has this to do with whether or not you choose to watch or not watch the Gas in the JPT ?, we can all make our own decision, currently not many are turning up to watch, however if the boys get to Wembley, i will predict the M4 will be full of Gasheads beating a path to the Wembley way, and there is nothing wrong with that. Utg I've not gone to this because paying for, travelling to, and supporting the lads on the League games is enough for me. If we get to the Final I'll probably go, for the day out, and I don't feel bad or hypocritical about that, at all. Glory hunter.
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Post by baggins on Jan 6, 2023 14:23:00 GMT
I've not gone to this because paying for, travelling to, and supporting the lads on the League games is enough for me. If we get to the Final I'll probably go, for the day out, and I don't feel bad or hypocritical about that, at all. Glory hunter. Is that a Cider?
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Post by playtowin on Jan 6, 2023 15:00:48 GMT
Its been plain to see by attendances across the country that lower league club fans do not like the under21 teams being in the competition.
The FA and EFL have just ignored this and expanded the involvement of u21 teams. So the boycotts seem to have failed (?)
In hindsight i think the point would have been made better if clubs had usual size crowds in every game except the u21 games. The difference would make the point better.
As it is its like the old reserve leagues the authorities didnt care if people turned up to watch.
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 6, 2023 15:13:47 GMT
You say the boycott has failed, I would say the FA have stuck two fingers up to hundreds of thousands of football supporters, as if to gesture they couldn’t give a damn what we (the people that make the game what it is) think. As expected of course.
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 6, 2023 15:24:48 GMT
Is this a quote from the Mick Lynch or Ox/Bridge debating society play book ? what relevance has this to do with whether or not you choose to watch or not watch the Gas in the JPT ?, we can all make our own decision, currently not many are turning up to watch, however if the boys get to Wembley, i will predict the M4 will be full of Gasheads beating a path to the Wembley way, and there is nothing wrong with that. Utg I've not gone to this because paying for, travelling to, and supporting the lads on the League games is enough for me. If we get to the Final I'll probably go, for the day out, and I don't feel bad or hypocritical about that, at all. I've not been to (or watched on iFollow) an EFL Trophy game since the inclusion of Premier League Development teams. Other than that I quite like the format. Initially I resented that there was a rule to stop you from fielding a weakened team in the competition, but I think that has been relaxed somewhat now? But I do quite like the addition of penalties in the group stages to get bonus points I just feel that my attendance at an EFL Trophy game adds to the statistics of fans that have accepted that Premier League Dev/U21/B teams have a place competing against EFL teams and one day will use this as justification to finally give in to Premier League requests to restructure the pyramid to accommodate them. Obviously I am just one person - but if/when it happens at least I will know I have not been a contributing factor. As for the issue of if we managed to get to Wembley in this competition.. if it was just me then I would almost certainly maintain the boycott.. but my young kids would relish a day out to Wembley and so I would clearly have to break my own self-imposed picket line purely for them. Someone called me hypocritical for that recently - but meh.. don't care
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 6, 2023 15:47:48 GMT
Its been plain to see by attendances across the country that lower league club fans do not like the under21 teams being in the competition. The FA and EFL have just ignored this and expanded the involvement of u21 teams. So the boycotts seem to have failed (?) In hindsight i think the point would have been made better if clubs had usual size crowds in every game except the u21 games. The difference would make the point better.As it is its like the old reserve leagues the authorities didnt care if people turned up to watch. Nah I don't think so. They already cherry pick the higher attendances of bigger teams in later rounds (and, obviously, Wembley) to argue that the new format is successful. They would gloss over the drop in attendances for U21 opponents as it doesn't suit them. I am sure the money they get from the Premier League clubs is worth more to them than fan backing - so even the existing boycott is probably just a minor nuisance for them. They will hope that if they persevere that people will accept U21 teams playing against their club and once it is normalised they can do what they want without too much drama.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 6, 2023 15:52:06 GMT
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Is this a quote from the Mick Lynch or Ox/Bridge debating society play book ? what relevance has this to do with whether or not you choose to watch or not watch the Gas in the JPT ?, we can all make our own decision, currently not many are turning up to watch, however if the boys get to Wembley, i will predict the M4 will be full of Gasheads beating a path to the Wembley way, and there is nothing wrong with that. Utg As Mick Lynch has been running rings around the right wing media I wouldn’t be surprised 😉
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 6, 2023 16:00:08 GMT
Too many tinpot clubs about that will take the Prem bribes unfortunately, maybe us clubs against the U23 inclusion should just walk away and start our own cup competition? "us clubs" when did Wael ever say he was against the Pizza Trophy?
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Post by yattongas on Jan 6, 2023 16:08:55 GMT
Too many tinpot clubs about that will take the Prem bribes unfortunately, maybe us clubs against the U23 inclusion should just walk away and start our own cup competition? "us clubs" when did Wael ever say he was against the Pizza Trophy? I’ve never seen Wael eat a pizza .
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jan 6, 2023 16:15:58 GMT
Too many tinpot clubs about that will take the Prem bribes unfortunately, maybe us clubs against the U23 inclusion should just walk away and start our own cup competition? "us clubs" when did Wael ever say he was against the Pizza Trophy? I believe that we were one of the clubs who voted against the inclusion of the prem team youngsters.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jan 6, 2023 16:19:48 GMT
You say the boycott has failed, I would say the FA have stuck two fingers up to hundreds of thousands of football supporters, as if to gesture they couldn’t give a damn what we (the people that make the game what it is) think. As expected of course. That's it in a nutshell, nothing will stop the Premiership juggernaut as they have all the cash. I do think boycotting the U21 games only would have had more impact, as, even if the FA had cherry picked which attendances to highlight, it would have been easy to counter this by figures showing that fans were there when 2 league clubs played each other, but a drastic reduction when the U23's were playing - sends a clear message.
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