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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2023 8:21:21 GMT
To be fair , if it was as you described we wouldn’t have bought in a new goal keeper. He’s here for a reason , either to be number 1 or put serious pressure on our no. 1 You think putting serious pressure on Belly will make him a better player? You think replacing Belly as our number 1 will do his confidence any good? I like the quality of the new lad but I think putting him straight in will do more harm than good. Guess we'll see. Nobody should be guaranteed a place and why shouldn't Belly have some competition for his place, especially given his numerous errors this season?
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Post by percy on Jan 20, 2023 8:32:32 GMT
You think putting serious pressure on Belly will make him a better player? You think replacing Belly as our number 1 will do his confidence any good? I like the quality of the new lad but I think putting him straight in will do more harm than good. Guess we'll see. Nobody should be guaranteed a place and why shouldn't Belly have some competition for his place, especially given his numerous errors this season? Agreed, and to his other point, no one has forgotten how many games he has saved us. Still one of my favourite players. Maybe Brentford just wanted him out of the mess that is Crawley and being in comp for no.1 here with the set up we have is seen as a better option for the young lad.
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2023 8:47:01 GMT
You think putting serious pressure on Belly will make him a better player? You think replacing Belly as our number 1 will do his confidence any good? I like the quality of the new lad but I think putting him straight in will do more harm than good. Guess we'll see. Nobody should be guaranteed a place and why shouldn't Belly have some competition for his place, especially given his numerous errors this season? Numerous errors? You must see something different to me. And if that were true, if we dropped players for a few mistakes or playing poorly getting us where we are today, we'd never see the likes of Evans, Coutts, Gordon, etc ever again.
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Post by percy on Jan 20, 2023 8:52:08 GMT
Nobody should be guaranteed a place and why shouldn't Belly have some competition for his place, especially given his numerous errors this season? Numerous errors? You must see something different to me. And if that were true, if we dropped players for a few mistakes or playing poorly getting us where we are today, we'd never see the likes of Evans, Coutts, Gordon, etc ever again. All of those have been dropped this season and have competition. Think you are getting a little carried away about have 2 keepers!
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2023 8:58:28 GMT
Numerous errors? You must see something different to me. And if that were true, if we dropped players for a few mistakes or playing poorly getting us where we are today, we'd never see the likes of Evans, Coutts, Gordon, etc ever again. All of those have been dropped this season and have competition. Think you are getting a little carried away about have 2 keepers! And dropping them hasn't done them or us any good. I'm not getting carried away by the 2 keepers situation, as long as it doesn't do the opposite of what's intended, it's fine.
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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2023 9:13:40 GMT
Nobody should be guaranteed a place and why shouldn't Belly have some competition for his place, especially given his numerous errors this season? Numerous errors? You must see something different to me. And if that were true, if we dropped players for a few mistakes or playing poorly getting us where we are today, we'd never see the likes of Evans, Coutts, Gordon, etc ever again. You can't have seen both Exeter games home and away then, or the home game against Accrington, or the Lincoln thrashing. Numerous errors, plus other games too. We have the third worst defensive record in league one and Belly has conceded 41 goals in 24 games. Not all of that is Belly's fault, but he hasn't been good enough at times and that is a shocking goals against record.
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2023 9:18:14 GMT
Numerous errors? You must see something different to me. And if that were true, if we dropped players for a few mistakes or playing poorly getting us where we are today, we'd never see the likes of Evans, Coutts, Gordon, etc ever again. You can't have seen both Exeter games home and away then, or the home game against Accrington, or the Lincoln thrashing. Numerous errors, plus other games too. We have the third worst defensive record in league one and Belly has conceded 41 goals in 24 games. Not all of that is Belly's fault, but he hasn't been good enough at times and that is a shocking goals against record. Exeter was bad, agreed, but keeping count over numerous games when the defence in front of him has been to blame for just as many, if not more, is just picking on him for just the sake of it. As I said before, bring out the great saves he's made, and compare the impact. I get it, you want him dropped. Hope that works out.
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Post by legas on Jan 20, 2023 9:20:22 GMT
Belly has made some great saves but his positioning and decision making has cost us at times - I think part of that though is lacking understanding with, or having faith in, the defenders in front of him. The defence needs sorting otherwise any keeper will have the same issues.
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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2023 9:26:59 GMT
You can't have seen both Exeter games home and away then, or the home game against Accrington, or the Lincoln thrashing. Numerous errors, plus other games too. We have the third worst defensive record in league one and Belly has conceded 41 goals in 24 games. Not all of that is Belly's fault, but he hasn't been good enough at times and that is a shocking goals against record. Exeter was bad, agreed, but keeping count over numerous games when the defence in front of him has been to blame for just as many, if not more, is just picking on him for just the sake of it. As I said before, bring out the great saves he's made, and compare the impact. I get it, you want him dropped. Hope that works out. I think we should constantly strive for improvement and agree with the managers recent quotes. “Belly has been fantastic but we’re in the business of getting better and improving. Some people just reach the ceiling of what they’re capable of and they’re not capable of going any further. “I’m here to get the club to the Championship, there are going to be lads in there that are fan favourites. They’re going to get moved on because if they don’t don’t produce and perform for me. I want to win and winners, you have got to be ruthless. It’s not about sentiment. I’m here to win games of football and to be an effective and efficient unit.”
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Post by fatherbrown on Jan 20, 2023 9:30:09 GMT
I remember his mistake for Exeters winner, dreadful, but I also remember the two or three great saves he made earlier in the game to keep us in the game. I'm more concerned about the guys just in front of him, or lack of them. UTG
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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2023 9:33:21 GMT
I remember his mistake for Exeters winner, dreadful, but I also remember the two or three great saves he made earlier in the game to keep us in the game. I'm more concerned about the guys just in front of him, or lack of them. UTG That is why the manager is looking to sign better defenders too.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 20, 2023 9:37:57 GMT
I guess fans favourites like Belshaw get a lot of tolerance for the odd (or more this season) mistake from fans. JB doesn’t tolerate it and he is pretty quick to lose patience. He is always looking to improve and his quotes tell you no one is safe and he will change in his quest to improve us. No managers favourites with JB, unless it’s Sam F!
UTG!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 20, 2023 10:08:58 GMT
Wouldn’t be surprised to see him straight into Saturdays lineup. I think this is a good sign from Wael/Joey, we are not settling for where we are, we are pushing on. A bittersweet signing I’m afraid. Of course one feel’s immediately sad for Belly who was fantastic last season, however Joe has given him half a season to prove he can step up and I think he has decided he’s not quite up to taking us to the next level. The new Guy has not exactly set the world on fire and , if you read the fora of the teams he has played for then there is not much to read as in his excellence. Hooping JB sees much more than i read
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 20, 2023 10:21:13 GMT
What a complete waste of money, Wael get a grip on Joey please
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Post by spiess1 on Jan 20, 2023 10:23:35 GMT
What a complete waste of money, Wael get a grip on Joey please Yeh Wael, come on. Leave us with one goalkeeper.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 20, 2023 10:25:51 GMT
What a complete waste of money, Wael get a grip on Joey please Yeh Wael, come on. Leave us with one goalkeeper. last time i checked we had 3
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Post by singupgas on Jan 20, 2023 11:13:08 GMT
Welcome to the new lad. Re Belly. You could count on one hand the games he has been at fault for goals. The number of games he has kept us in it massively outweighs any mistakes for me. To be fair , if it was as you described we wouldn’t have bought in a new goal keeper. He’s here for a reason , either to be number 1 or put serious pressure on our no. 1 Think he has come in as Anssi on his way out personally. Don't see Joey dropping Belly. Keepers make odd mistakes. Our defensive problems ome down to us having a different back 4 or 5 almost every game. I'd love to know how many times we have fielded the same back 4 or 5 in consecutive games.
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Post by percy on Jan 20, 2023 11:31:39 GMT
I think he'll start the new guy but I'd keep the gloves with Belly as we rebuild the back line. He needs more competition than Anssi who is rightly moving on to coaching now. Great career Id go.. Belly Hoole Quansah Connolly Gibbons Finley Coutts Sinclair Evans Collins Coburn
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Post by albaron on Jan 20, 2023 11:37:49 GMT
In my opinion he has come in to really push Belly as the club no longer feel Jaakola is strong enough to do this. If Belly has no competition then he could easily become complacent and start making errors where a player who knows they have competition for there place probably would'nt.
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Post by Quarters on Jan 20, 2023 11:54:35 GMT
I think he'll start the new guy but I'd keep the gloves with Belly as we rebuild the back line. He needs more competition than Anssi who is rightly moving on to coaching now. Great career Id go.. Belly Hoole Quansah Connolly Gibbons Finley Coutts Sinclair Evans Collins Coburn Would not disagree but JB does like his 3-4-3 formation.
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