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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 19, 2023 7:27:32 GMT
Are you going to start the Oxford matchday thread then? I think I better, the recent mob starting them have been useless!
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 19, 2023 8:01:42 GMT
Just got back... Question....why has the Wellie put a pool table in the middle of the pub? I've been drinking on Glos Rd since the 80s, I can't recollect any time it's had a pool table!? Anyhoos, onto less important matters.. Why are we playing so cr@p? I've watched us since the 70s and I can't recollect a time ... yea well you get the idea!? Barton's losing it. No meltdown here.... just 2 shots on target, one which was a beautifully crafted and we'll executed finish, and um, the other fades into insignificance because we were largely outplayed in midfield (bogarte and ward poor) and had no real answer to play with cohesion or purpose. That coupled with a tentative defence (where's Connolly from last year) and Quansah that was caught out of position for the first goal and the whole unit decided to do a Benny Hill sketch for the second involving a joke of a goalkeeper, makes their inclusion just seem a cruel selection joke. The team spirit looks shot. The players look lethargic. Inexperience is gifting opposition easy free kicks set pieces and initiative. Substitutions today arguably made our team weaker.....you need a goal out of something and he takes off Connolly for Hoole!? WTF!? What f in planet ? Barton is losing it because he's picking (maybe technically gifted kids on the training ground) to do a man's job. This is the 3rd division. It's uncompromising. It's hard, physical and dirty. We ain't no Man City yet tip the ball around as if we were....we don't even do that right sometimes! I can't fault anyone's effort, but whatever perfect storm has engulfed our downturn in form, JAB will have to take responsibility and not come out with b0ll0cks about the ref or conditions, he's got to take this one as poor decision making, but I guess illness plays a part and so will the crowd interruption... Holy moly! Joey Barton, your football is sh!t....them Burton fans weren't wrong. *Thoughts go out to whomever needed emergency medical care, hope all ok and recovered. The Welly has had a pool table for quite a long time. Located in the section between the front and back section of the pub. Can’t disagree with most of the rest of your post.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 19, 2023 8:36:21 GMT
Just got back... Question....why has the Wellie put a pool table in the middle of the pub? I've been drinking on Glos Rd since the 80s, I can't recollect any time it's had a pool table!? Anyhoos, onto less important matters.. Why are we playing so cr@p? I've watched us since the 70s and I can't recollect a time ... yea well you get the idea!? Barton's losing it. No meltdown here.... just 2 shots on target, one which was a beautifully crafted and we'll executed finish, and um, the other fades into insignificance because we were largely outplayed in midfield (bogarte and ward poor) and had no real answer to play with cohesion or purpose. That coupled with a tentative defence (where's Connolly from last year) and Quansah that was caught out of position for the first goal and the whole unit decided to do a Benny Hill sketch for the second involving a joke of a goalkeeper, makes their inclusion just seem a cruel selection joke. The team spirit looks shot. The players look lethargic. Inexperience is gifting opposition easy free kicks set pieces and initiative. Substitutions today arguably made our team weaker.....you need a goal out of something and he takes off Connolly for Hoole!? WTF!? What f in planet ? Barton is losing it because he's picking (maybe technically gifted kids on the training ground) to do a man's job. This is the 3rd division. It's uncompromising. It's hard, physical and dirty. We ain't no Man City yet tip the ball around as if we were....we don't even do that right sometimes! I can't fault anyone's effort, but whatever perfect storm has engulfed our downturn in form, JAB will have to take responsibility and not come out with b0ll0cks about the ref or conditions, he's got to take this one as poor decision making, but I guess illness plays a part and so will the crowd interruption... Holy moly! Joey Barton, your football is sh!t....them Burton fans weren't wrong. *Thoughts go out to whomever needed emergency medical care, hope all ok and recovered. The Welly has had a pool table for quite a long time. Located in the section between the front and back section of the pub. Can’t disagree with most of the rest of your post. I suppose it depends on what quite a long time means..? Twertnt there when we drew Rochdale at home in fa cup as I would have been sat on a black ball with the Rochdale fans.. Thanks though, BG..
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Feb 19, 2023 9:45:32 GMT
Made the decision to go at last minute yesterday, wish I didn’t bother.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 9:45:59 GMT
I thought we were well on course for a comfortable win until the enforced break seemed to kill our momentum. We had some decent chances, scored a very good goal and in the main looked comfortable.
Our right hand side was on fire for that first half and here’s something that me and the lads I go with have been moaning about for months on end that joey does with tactics….. When we insist on playing keep ball across the back, (usually when Coutts or Finley play), they just drop deep and join in with the centre halves and slow everything down, meanwhile we have the fullbacks or wingbacks pushing high up the pitch. So high in fact that they end up standing next to their winger or fullback so that when they eventually get the ball they have nowhere to go, except backwards again. They have no space in front of them, no chance to play 1-2s or exploit space behind because of the tactics. This has happened time and again with whoever has played that position, whether it be hoole, gordon, Sinclair, gibbons, Clarke or Anderson and they just haven’t been able to be effective going forwards and I think it’s stifled us. However this last few games we’ve not played like and that I think that’s allowed us more freedom out wide, it’s allowed the fullbacks room to play and as a result we’ve certainly seen that get the best out of gibbons for example and even seen gordon get beyond their fullbacks more too. Joeys obsession with slow and boring side to side keep ball was killing those players out wide and I think it was all in the hope we could find some space with keep ball for the front 3 to work some magic. Unfortunately results haven’t followed, but we have to settle on that back 4 and try and build again. I’m also convinced our weakest link is Connolly, I think he’s had a poor season and when I look back at the games we had a good spell when he was out of the team and we were playing a back 4 of gibbons, Thomas, Gibson and Gordon. Until the derby game when JB ripped it all up and started to tinker too much. For me I’d be replacing him with Gibson as soon as he’s fit. I watched yesterdays goals back this morning and I think the second goal could have been avoided had Connolly been covering around. Quansah gets caught under the ball, Gibbons has to leave his man and it looks like he slips as he goes in. But Connolly was marking no one and was too far to the left for me.
The subs made us too disjointed. Anderson was ineffective as full back, he’s better in front of a full back I think. Coutts came on and slowed us down again too, having said that Bogarde was having little effect on the game as it wore on. Balcombe single handedly (pardon the pun) managed to breed uncertainty and change the atmosphere against him. Also going long ball second half didn’t suit us, we stopped doing what we were doing well for that first half an hour when we were getting around them.
We were standing on the west terrace yesterday and were convinced there was an offside on their second, the player that headed it looked a couple of yards offside. If so it’s yet another poor officiating decision.
Maybe the way forward is to play more like we did v Ipswich? Play as a more defensive unit to make us stronger? There’s still some positives to take out of things I think. Tweak it and build it around Gibbons, Quansah, Gordon, ward, Sinclair, collins, Ipswich performance evans, Bogarde and Ipswich performance Anderson.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Feb 19, 2023 9:56:52 GMT
One key difference yesterday, and in too many games this season, is that the opposition press us so that any ball forward gets received with our backs to goal. Contrast that with Burton who always seemed to find a pass on the ground to their player with the ball in front of them so they are much more of an immediate threat. When we do send balls long they are usually overhit or in the air. I'm amazed that JB and the coaches can't see this, unless they don't think we are accurate enough with our passing to do that. If it's the latter I fear a lot more games like yesterday - - -
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 19, 2023 10:03:51 GMT
I thought we were well on course for a comfortable win until the enforced break seemed to kill our momentum. We had some decent chances, scored a very good goal and in the main looked comfortable. Our right hand side was on fire for that first half and here’s something that me and the lads I go with have been moaning about for months on end that joey does with tactics….. When we insist on playing keep ball across the back, (usually when Coutts or Finley play), they just drop deep and join in with the centre halves and slow everything down, meanwhile we have the fullbacks or wingbacks pushing high up the pitch. So high in fact that they end up standing next to their winger or fullback so that when they eventually get the ball they have nowhere to go, except backwards again. They have no space in front of them, no chance to play 1-2s or exploit space behind because of the tactics. This has happened time and again with whoever has played that position, whether it be hoole, gordon, Sinclair, gibbons, Clarke or Anderson and they just haven’t been able to be effective going forwards and I think it’s stifled us. However this last few games we’ve not played like and that I think that’s allowed us more freedom out wide, it’s allowed the fullbacks room to play and as a result we’ve certainly seen that get the best out of gibbons for example and even seen gordon get beyond their fullbacks more too. Joeys obsession with slow and boring side to side keep ball was killing those players out wide and I think it was all in the hope we could find some space with keep ball for the front 3 to work some magic. Unfortunately results haven’t followed, but we have to settle on that back 4 and try and build again. I’m also convinced our weakest link is Connolly, I think he’s had a poor season and when I look back at the games we had a good spell when he was out of the team and we were playing a back 4 of gibbons, Thomas, Gibson and Gordon. Until the derby game when JB ripped it all up and started to tinker too much. For me I’d be replacing him with Gibson as soon as he’s fit. I watched yesterdays goals back this morning and I think the second goal could have been avoided had Connolly been covering around. Quansah gets caught under the ball, Gibbons has to leave his man and it looks like he slips as he goes in. But Connolly was marking no one and was too far to the left for me. The subs made us too disjointed. Anderson was ineffective as full back, he’s better in front of a full back I think. Coutts came on and slowed us down again too, having said that Bogarde was having little effect on the game as it wore on. Balcombe single handedly (pardon the pun) managed to breed uncertainty and change the atmosphere against him. Also going long ball second half didn’t suit us, we stopped doing what we were doing well for that first half an hour when we were getting around them. We were standing on the west terrace yesterday and were convinced there was an offside on their second, the player that headed it looked a couple of yards offside. If so it’s yet another poor officiating decision. Maybe the way forward is to play more like we did v Ipswich? Play as a more defensive unit to make us stronger? There’s still some positives to take out of things I think. Tweak it and build it around Gibbons, Quansah, Gordon, ward, Sinclair, collins, Ipswich performance evans, Bogarde and Ipswich performance Anderson. pretty much how I see it as well. Just needed a experienced centre half and we would now be hovering around the play off s .a wasted opportunity this season.
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Post by gasify on Feb 19, 2023 12:47:08 GMT
If Barton continues to give the pre match opposition team talk in his Friday BP interviews, results like today are bound to happen. We are lumbered with him now, he runs the club from top to bottom, makes every decision on and off the field. I think we should run a sweepstake on how long it takes you to post on here when we lose. Attack the post, not the poster. If there is a reason why you disagree that the Friday pre match comments gave them their team talk then say.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 19, 2023 13:07:33 GMT
Started really well and scored a really good goal, Quansah should have made it 2 which might well have killed the game and lo & behold 30 seconds later its 1-1. From that moment on we never really recovered. 2nd half we've fell into the trap of getting drawn into playing exactly as they wanted us to. Very poor but my over-riding emotion is embarrassment. Not in the performance of the players but of those absolute belters that thought the way to 'support' was to chant Belshaws name. How that is supposed to instill any confidence in Balcome is beyond me. I'm not at all convinced that Balcome is an upgrade in that position but the reaction of some of the crowd was frankly a joke Completely agree. I was on East Terrace and couldn’t hear what the Thatchers End was saying, too quiet all game. But up to the missed header by Quansah which would have caused a completely different result and reaction on here we were ok. Not special but ok against a mediocre team. I thought Evans was much better and kept trying to play on the floor, I felt sorry for him because Bogarde was missing and he had no one to combine with. Finley is badly missed. Balcombe kicking was off but so was the Burton keepers, more to do with the wind I think. The times we kept the ball on the floor and tried to out-pass them Gibbons and Sinclair combined to put a good cross in for Marquis to score and in the second half to create a shot forSinclair to blaze over. Apart from that all boot and hoof. And I can’t be the only one who saw that the one occasion we needed to boot the ball over the stand we didn’t and they scored the winner. I haven’t read all the thread (I guessed what it would read like), but it was an unusual for the sub, Charlie Kirk, to come on, score the equaliser and later go off. If they hadn’t swapped their injured CH for an attacker the result may have been different had we had any control of the midfield. UTG!
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 19, 2023 13:12:09 GMT
From my perspective and being at most home games and especially yesterday it’s pretty clear what our issues are - we are very short off and have a very fragile confidence…. Up until the break in play (hopefully the person taken ill is ok) we were in control, had scored a good goal and looked like only a matter of time before we scored our 2nd …. We came back and lost all momentum and then started making mistakes and the players felt the pressure and became afraid to do anything for fear of making a mistake….Burton scored and boom any confidence we had left and we became 2nd best in pretty much everything and played like we’d never seen each other before….
Ipswich aside, it’s been the same in the last 5 or 6 games… we just need a way of getting our confidence back
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 19, 2023 13:13:59 GMT
I think we should run a sweepstake on how long it takes you to post on here when we lose. Attack the post, not the poster. If there is a reason why you disagree that the Friday pre match comments gave them their team talk then say. Have I actually attacked the poster? Apologies if suggesting a sweepstake falls into this category. I've given no indicationas to whether I agree or disagree with his comment. My point was the fact that this poster pops up with a one or two line post when we lose, and then disappears. I'm still waiting for clarification of the issues around the Glen Whelan Pizza Trophy red card.
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Post by gasify on Feb 19, 2023 14:09:01 GMT
Attack the post, not the poster. If there is a reason why you disagree that the Friday pre match comments gave them their team talk then say. Have I actually attacked the poster? Apologies if suggesting a sweepstake falls into this category. I've given no indicationas to whether I agree or disagree with his comment. My point was the fact that this poster pops up with a one or two line post when we lose, and then disappears. I'm still waiting for clarification of the issues around the Glen Whelan Pizza Trophy red card. I believe so. The post made was more about the poster than his post. It came across as dismissing his comments because of who he is, rather than what he said. If someone is a barton hater or barton lover. Loves to post when we win or when we lose. We shouldn't just dismiss them. I always appreciate what you say, I might not agree with you all the time but I wouldn't ever dismiss your comments only due to it being said by you. That is how your post came across to me. It came across as a snide comment about the poster, rather than about the post.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2023 14:23:54 GMT
Well that was truly awful. (That should get me a "like" from KP) 😉 Do you really think i enjoy seeing us lose and lose so very poorly ? I saw a guy I know post that he left with 30 minutes to go and he is close to eighty and has never done that before. I watched on TV and turned off, after they scored their second. Something is very wrong, i have my reasons to think i know what but , ah well..why bother. If it makes you feel good for me to be your whipping boy then I’m big enough and ugly enough too handle it but please do not tell me than i enjoy this, i hate it
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Post by hollyhillgas on Feb 19, 2023 14:25:21 GMT
I thought we were well on course for a comfortable win until the enforced break seemed to kill our momentum. We had some decent chances, scored a very good goal and in the main looked comfortable. Our right hand side was on fire for that first half and here’s something that me and the lads I go with have been moaning about for months on end that joey does with tactics….. When we insist on playing keep ball across the back, (usually when Coutts or Finley play), they just drop deep and join in with the centre halves and slow everything down, meanwhile we have the fullbacks or wingbacks pushing high up the pitch. So high in fact that they end up standing next to their winger or fullback so that when they eventually get the ball they have nowhere to go, except backwards again. They have no space in front of them, no chance to play 1-2s or exploit space behind because of the tactics. This has happened time and again with whoever has played that position, whether it be hoole, gordon, Sinclair, gibbons, Clarke or Anderson and they just haven’t been able to be effective going forwards and I think it’s stifled us. However this last few games we’ve not played like and that I think that’s allowed us more freedom out wide, it’s allowed the fullbacks room to play and as a result we’ve certainly seen that get the best out of gibbons for example and even seen gordon get beyond their fullbacks more too. Joeys obsession with slow and boring side to side keep ball was killing those players out wide and I think it was all in the hope we could find some space with keep ball for the front 3 to work some magic. Unfortunately results haven’t followed, but we have to settle on that back 4 and try and build again. I’m also convinced our weakest link is Connolly, I think he’s had a poor season and when I look back at the games we had a good spell when he was out of the team and we were playing a back 4 of gibbons, Thomas, Gibson and Gordon. Until the derby game when JB ripped it all up and started to tinker too much. For me I’d be replacing him with Gibson as soon as he’s fit. I watched yesterdays goals back this morning and I think the second goal could have been avoided had Connolly been covering around. Quansah gets caught under the ball, Gibbons has to leave his man and it looks like he slips as he goes in. But Connolly was marking no one and was too far to the left for me. The subs made us too disjointed. Anderson was ineffective as full back, he’s better in front of a full back I think. Coutts came on and slowed us down again too, having said that Bogarde was having little effect on the game as it wore on. Balcombe single handedly (pardon the pun) managed to breed uncertainty and change the atmosphere against him. Also going long ball second half didn’t suit us, we stopped doing what we were doing well for that first half an hour when we were getting around them. We were standing on the west terrace yesterday and were convinced there was an offside on their second, the player that headed it looked a couple of yards offside. If so it’s yet another poor officiating decision. Maybe the way forward is to play more like we did v Ipswich? Play as a more defensive unit to make us stronger? There’s still some positives to take out of things I think. Tweak it and build it around Gibbons, Quansah, Gordon, ward, Sinclair, collins, Ipswich performance evans, Bogarde and Ipswich performance Anderson. It's confidence, the players are good enough, Ipswich proved that, but if Ipswich had scored early, they would have got 3 or 4.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2023 14:25:28 GMT
My view was that we were fine until the long stoppage for the spectator who was taken ill, then seemed to have completely lost the plot. The defenders have no confidence in Balcombe (but it was very wrong of the North Terrace to chant for Belshaw during the game). He needs to be dropped and Belshaw reinstated in my opinion. We fell into the trap of playing long hopeful balls, excatly what Burton wanted. Such a shame after a brilliant start to the game. Hoping we can beat Oxford next Saturday as we have Barnsley the following week and they're flying at the moment. Not sure if any of the performances were affected by the illnesses Barton referred to - there was a similar problem earlier in the season when loads of players seemed to be out of sorts and then we found out why that was. Finley back next week - I think with Grant Ward they could be an effective midfield unit and possibly Gibson may be fit again soon. It certainly put pay to any flow we had going and i agree
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 19, 2023 14:38:31 GMT
Have I actually attacked the poster? Apologies if suggesting a sweepstake falls into this category. I've given no indicationas to whether I agree or disagree with his comment. My point was the fact that this poster pops up with a one or two line post when we lose, and then disappears. I'm still waiting for clarification of the issues around the Glen Whelan Pizza Trophy red card. I believe so. The post made was more about the poster than his post. It came across as dismissing his comments because of who he is, rather than what he said. If someone is a barton hater or barton lover. Loves to post when we win or when we lose. We shouldn't just dismiss them. I always appreciate what you say, I might not agree with you all the time but I wouldn't ever dismiss your comments only due to it being said by you. That is how your post came across to me. It came across as a snide comment about the poster, rather than about the post. Apologies, I didn't realise that I had dismissed his comments. Mods feel free to ban/issue warning.
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Post by baggins on Feb 19, 2023 14:42:53 GMT
I believe so. The post made was more about the poster than his post. It came across as dismissing his comments because of who he is, rather than what he said. If someone is a barton hater or barton lover. Loves to post when we win or when we lose. We shouldn't just dismiss them. I always appreciate what you say, I might not agree with you all the time but I wouldn't ever dismiss your comments only due to it being said by you. That is how your post came across to me. It came across as a snide comment about the poster, rather than about the post. Apologies, I didn't realise that I had dismissed his comments. Mods feel free to ban/issue warning. You should be ashamed of yourself. 😀
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Post by keygas on Feb 19, 2023 14:51:07 GMT
We basically went from the sublime to the ridiculous in the 90 minutes yesterday, we started like we could well repeat the 4-0 win at Burton, scored a well worked goal, Collins had a couple of chances which he would have probably converted earlier in the season & Quanseh heads over from basically on the line, after that we became clueless & coupled with a return of our kamikaze defending the writing was on the wall. Early days for the new starts but in my mind they are good technically but not really the players we need if we get drawn in to the relegation dogfight , hopefully Gibson & Finley will be available for the trip to Oxford on Saturday as we seemed so short of leaders when the going got tough yesterday, let’s hope the Rovers song of we never get beat at Oxford is being belted out at the end of the match at the Kassam next week.
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Post by RD on Feb 19, 2023 21:01:58 GMT
Morning Guys and gals, I’ll start the matchday thread for this week. Have a really positive feeling about this one given how solid we were against Ipswich on Tuesday. We’ve been shy on the goal front of late so I’m not predicting a high scoring game but I do think we will get back amongst them so will go for a 2-0 win. Let’s all have a good day, safe travels to both sets of fans and UTG!! Gashead1981 out! 😁
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Post by xenongas on Feb 20, 2023 9:47:42 GMT
Devoid of confidence on the pitch and in the stands at the moment.
First 20 minutes were good and I was feeling comfortable for the first time in a month. Nice goal and created some more good chances. No idea how Quansah missed!
Then for whatever reason it fell apart. We just need to get a lucky scrappy win and clean sheet to turn it around. Fortunately, we always win at Oxford!
And anyone chanting belshaw during the game is a joke. It's tough at the ground currently and that sort of stupid fickle behaviour is just doubling down on the crap atmosphere.
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