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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 21, 2023 8:39:07 GMT
"To have to fight and claw and scratch for dignity and respect so easily granted to someone of the opposite gender doing the same job as you, wears you down...over time inequality will grind you down and possibly break you. It is felt. It is damaging. It hurts." – Sarah Gregorius I think we all have to let go of our pre-conceived views and accept that the game and the world is changing. I think women are equally adept at officiating games, Women are now part of football and we have to accept and respect them as equals within the game. I agree, I don’t think the majority of supporters see it as anything but the norm these days if any of the officials are female. They have come up through the same ranks as the male officials. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 21, 2023 9:06:32 GMT
I think we all have to let go of our pre-conceived views and accept that the game and the world is changing. I think women are equally adept at officiating games, Women are now part of football and we have to accept and respect them as equals within the game. I agree, I don’t think the majority of supporters see it as anything but the norm these days if any of the officials are female. They have come up through the same ranks as the male officials. I totally agree with everything you have said except I have a deep suspicion that lurking just below the surface there is a significant minority of males who believe women have no place in men's football. I have witnessed the behind the hands comments and sniggering and it's appalling,the level of discrimination in this Country is a disgrace,I see it daily with my 22 yr old son who has additional needs,the effect on him is devastating,I see it with my friends who are not white British and yes I see it in football. We have an awful long way to go and whilst there has been progress it is to slow and the benchmark is far to low. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 21, 2023 9:19:05 GMT
I agree, I don’t think the majority of supporters see it as anything but the norm these days if any of the officials are female. They have come up through the same ranks as the male officials. I totally agree with everything you have said except I have a deep suspicion that lurking just below the surface there is a significant minority of males who believe women have no place in men's football. I have witnessed the behind the hands comments and sniggering and it's appalling,the level of discrimination in this Country is a disgrace,I see it daily with my 22 yr old son who has additional needs,the effect on him is devastating,I see it with my friends who are not white British and yes I see it in football. We have an awful long way to go and whilst there has been progress it is to slow and the benchmark is far to low. Sadly, it often seems to be a younger element of male supporters involved in the anti-women stuff. It is a shame that being understanding and supportive to people who have any sort of disability is not seen as a high profile need, as shown by Badger's post about not receiving any support when he challenged somebody for shouting "sp***ic" from the terraces. Sorry to hear that your son has to endure such treatment, this is certainly an area where people need to be be more informed. |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Mar 21, 2023 9:25:41 GMT
Disappointing that some knuckle draggers still about. She probably one of the best refs we've had down the Mem this season. Also a fair few who don't shout out when the Neanderthals pipe up. As I posted on the Pompey match thread some muppet - an adult may I add - at the back of the east terrace decided it was appropriate to scream out 'you f'in spastic' to a Pompey player, possibly the linesman. As an M.S. sufferer with a spastic leg I didn't feel comfortable at first bringing it up with him. After a few minutes I did. No one, absolutely no one backed me up. OK they might not have heard my conversation with him but the original shout was that, a shout. Have messaged the club accordingly, don't want anyone hung, drawn and quartered but just educated. Am I guilty of joining in the Aberfan chants years ago, yes. I was probably 12 years old. Devastated when I learnt what I was joining in on and never did again |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2023 9:41:51 GMT
Wow So the rules of the game are identical but their interpretation is gender dependent? Which world is this where that could be possibly true? Are there no female barristers? Talk about life on Mars. What is the relevance of female barristers? Nobody was suggesting that female officials should not operate in the men’s game. You were "However, there isn't a level comparison between the men's and women's game, so he was saying that if this came to pass it would make sense to have ex-male players advising refs " |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2023 9:43:47 GMT
I totally agree with everything you have said except I have a deep suspicion that lurking just below the surface there is a significant minority of males who believe women have no place in men's football. I have witnessed the behind the hands comments and sniggering and it's appalling,the level of discrimination in this Country is a disgrace,I see it daily with my 22 yr old son who has additional needs,the effect on him is devastating,I see it with my friends who are not white British and yes I see it in football. We have an awful long way to go and whilst there has been progress it is to slow and the benchmark is far to low. Sadly, it often seems to be a younger element of male supporters involved in the anti-women stuff. It is a shame that being understanding and supportive to people who have any sort of disability is not seen as a high profile need, as shown by Badger's post about not receiving any support when he challenged somebody for shouting "sp***ic" from the terraces. Sorry to hear that your son has to endure such treatment, this is certainly an area where people need to be be more informed. Taking their cues from people like Barton |
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Post by bluegas on Mar 21, 2023 9:51:44 GMT
Yes, you can blame the fans. Agreed, I think I used the wrong term of phrase. Both as bad as each other more appropriate. Thanks for that. I meant that I'm one of those who accept JB. I don't use anything he says as an excuse for my own behaviour,neither should others. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 21, 2023 9:58:43 GMT
What is the relevance of female barristers? Nobody was suggesting that female officials should not operate in the men’s game. You were "However, there isn't a level comparison between the men's and women's game, so he was saying that if this came to pass it would make sense to have ex-male players advising refs " It was not referring to referees and linespeople, who are responsible for enforcing the rules of the game. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2023 9:59:56 GMT
Agreed, I think I used the wrong term of phrase. Both as bad as each other more appropriate. Thanks for that. I meant that I'm one of those who accept JB. I don't use anything he says as an excuse for my own behaviour,neither should others. Me neither, but I am 71, not 16. I suspect you are not 16 either. Choice of words when in a position of authority and influence is important. My personal opinion is that Barton does not have the intellectual reasoning capacity to fully comprehend that. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 21, 2023 10:00:48 GMT
Barton was referencing the suggestion that ex-players should be used to advise officials on decisions, making use of their experience of playing the game. The rules for football are the same for both sexes, we just need referees (male or female) who know the rules and are able to spot infringements accordingly. However, there isn't a level comparison between the men's and women's game, so he was saying that if this came to pass it would make sense to have ex-male players advising refs officiating in men's football. By default, there would be ex-women players advising officials at the women's game. Makes perfect sense to me. Wowzers. Yowzers. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 21, 2023 10:01:34 GMT
Thanks for that. I meant that I'm one of those who accept JB. I don't use anything he says as an excuse for my own behaviour,neither should others. Me neither, but I am 71, not 16. I suspect you are not 16 either. Choice of words when in a position of authority and influence is important. My personal opinion is that Barton does not have the intellectual reasoning capacity to fully comprehend that. I hear that he speaks very highly of you, and your vastly superior intellect. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2023 10:01:47 GMT
You were "However, there isn't a level comparison between the men's and women's game, so he was saying that if this came to pass it would make sense to have ex-male players advising refs " It was not referring to referees and linespeople, who are responsible for enforcing the rules of the game. Advisers to the referees are part of the games officiating, if not at the point of an actual game, but more generally. You clearly differentiated on gender lines. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2023 10:03:59 GMT
Me neither, but I am 71, not 16. I suspect you are not 16 either. Choice of words when in a position of authority and influence is important. My personal opinion is that Barton does not have the intellectual reasoning capacity to fully comprehend that. I hear that he speaks very highly of you, and your vastly superior intellect. I met him once, but I made the mistake of using words of more than one syllable and not speaking in football clichés. Joke. I have never met him |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 21, 2023 10:14:14 GMT
Barton was referencing the suggestion that ex-players should be used to advise officials on decisions, making use of their experience of playing the game. The rules for football are the same for both sexes, we just need referees (male or female) who know the rules and are able to spot infringements accordingly. However, there isn't a level comparison between the men's and women's game, so he was saying that if this came to pass it would make sense to have ex-male players advising refs officiating in men's football. By default, there would be ex-women players advising officials at the women's game. Makes perfect sense to me. Wow So the rules of the game are identical but their interpretation is gender dependent? Which world is this where that could be possibly true? Are there no female barristers? Talk about life on Mars. Absolutely this! Extremely good point. How many years have refs decisions made him akin to being several deviations on the male appendage, yet no sexism charges were ever thought of? |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 21, 2023 10:25:25 GMT
It was not referring to referees and linespeople, who are responsible for enforcing the rules of the game. Advisers to the referees are part of the games officiating, if not at the point of an actual game, but more generally. You clearly differentiated on gender lines. They would advise, not be empowered to make decisions - it would up to the officials to do that. It was a lengthy, online discussion, from which the Post has lifted two lines to try and spice up their article. Please don't tell me what I have or haven't done, when you clearly do not understand the discussion which was had. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2023 18:21:30 GMT
Advisers to the referees are part of the games officiating, if not at the point of an actual game, but more generally. You clearly differentiated on gender lines. They would advise, not be empowered to make decisions - it would up to the officials to do that. It was a lengthy, online discussion, from which the Post has lifted two lines to try and spice up their article. Please don't tell me what I have or haven't done, when you clearly do not understand the discussion which was had. Ok Tilly. Your Boris Johnson impersonation is quite impressive |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2023 9:31:49 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-rovers-abuse-rebecca-welch-8271339Bristol Rovers launch investigation into alleged sexist abuse of referee Rebecca Welch
Rebecca Welch, who became the first female referee in EFL history in 2021, took charge of Bristol Rovers' 2-0 defeat to Wycombe Wanderers last week at the Mem
Bristol Rovers CEO Tom Gorringe has confirmed that the club have launched an investigation following reports of sexist abuse towards referee Rebecca Welch during the Gas’ 2-0 defeat to Wycombe Wanderers last week.
Welch took charge of the League One encounter last Tuesday in her first appearance at the Mem, having previously officiated Rovers’ League Two clash at Hartlepool United towards the beginning of the 2021/22 League Two season.
Consensus opinion was the Washington-based official had a fine game but in his programme notes for Saturday’s visit of Portsmouth, Gorringe detailed how he had been made aware of “abuse and discrimination from a minority of supporters” and has promised to take “appropriate action”.
Welch was appointed as an EFL referee in March 2021, having previously worked in the WSL and National League, and has taken charge of 35 games across League One, League Two and the EFL Trophy.
“The match on Tuesday was officiated by Rebecca Welch who oversaw our fixture for the second time,” Gorringe wrote. “For me, she is one of the best officials at this level and once again had a good game, particularly in the first half.
“Sadly, we have been made aware of some abuse and discrimination from a minority of supporters during the game. As a club, we have a zero tolerance policy on discrimination of any kind.
“Everyone within the stadium on the matchday has the responsibility to represent the club with integrity and act in a manner that doesn’t intimidate or make any fellow supporters feel unwelcome.
“Any complaints made will be investigated thoroughly and appropriate action taken, should any supporters be found to be acting in a discriminatory way. If you witness any forms of discrimination whilst at the Mem please follow the information on how to report on page 36 of today’s programme or on posters around the ground.
“Finally, if you have any issues, you can contact us on email at feedback@bristolrovers.co.uk. Together we can ensure The Mem remains a friendly environment for all supporters.”
It is the fourth such case of alleged sexist abuse this season, beginning with Rovers' match against Barnsley at Oakwell in August in which a female member of staff was targeted by discriminatory chants and the Tykes were subsequently charged by the FA.
The FA have also looked into claims from their game against Exeter City in October that a female staff member was subjected to inappropriate chants from home fans at St James’ Park.
In between that, Rovers and Accrington Stanley investigated reports that members of the travelling support at the Mem verbally abused some female home fans and subjected them to sexual harassment.
Saturday’s League One encounter against Portsmouth was Rovers’ designated HerGameToo fixture - the campaign part-founded by Gasheads Caz May and Lucy Ford which aims to eradicate sexism in the football industry.
HGT paraphernalia is regularly distributed and posted in an official capacity around the Mem but in April last year, stickers in opposition to the campaign were found at the stadium, including in the clubhouse, with Rovers condemning the act and vowing to investigate.
Manager Joey Barton was criticised for a post on Twitter in February in which, during an exchange with commentator Jackie Oatley who questioned his use of the word “male” in discussing the quality of officials in the professional game, he replied: "Yep Jackie. ‘Male’.
“Mainly because the women’s game, as good as it is, it’s played a slightly different speed to the men’s. So, in terms of velocity and physicality, I’m not sure it would be best suited to ask people who haven’t experienced that to assist the officials.” As the report states, our manager doesn't approve of female officials so you can't blame the fans for supporting the managers views, can you? Sadly, monkey see monkey do. Still, has kept the attendances high, even when losing , regularly. Could even be seen as a master stroke, by some. It’s all well and good doing these investigation but if nought comes from them then its yet another example of virtue signalling. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2023 9:33:27 GMT
I agree, I don’t think the majority of supporters see it as anything but the norm these days if any of the officials are female. They have come up through the same ranks as the male officials. I totally agree with everything you have said except I have a deep suspicion that lurking just below the surface there is a significant minority of males who believe women have no place in men's football. I have witnessed the behind the hands comments and sniggering and it's appalling,the level of discrimination in this Country is a disgrace,I see it daily with my 22 yr old son who has additional needs,the effect on him is devastating,I see it with my friends who are not white British and yes I see it in football. We have an awful long way to go and whilst there has been progress it is too slow and the benchmark is far too low. Absolutely nailed on. Talk really is cheap |
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 23, 2023 11:19:37 GMT
Disappointing that some knuckle draggers still about. She probably one of the best refs we've had down the Mem this season. Also a fair few who don't shout out when the Neanderthals pipe up. As I posted on the Pompey match thread some muppet - an adult may I add - at the back of the east terrace decided it was appropriate to scream out 'you f'in spastic' to a Pompey player, possibly the linesman. As an M.S. sufferer with a spastic leg I didn't feel comfortable at first bringing it up with him. After a few minutes I did. No one, absolutely no one backed me up. OK they might not have heard my conversation with him but the original shout was that, a shout. Have messaged the club accordingly, don't want anyone hung, drawn and quartered but just educated. Am I guilty of joining in the Aberfan chants years ago, yes. I was probably 12 years old. Devastated when I learnt what I was joining in on and never did again There's plenty of adult-size toddlers in the world unfortunately |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 23, 2023 13:46:15 GMT
As the report states, our manager doesn't approve of female officials so you can't blame the fans for supporting the managers views, can you? Sadly, monkey see monkey do. Still, has kept the attendances high, even when losing , regularly. Could even be seen as a master stroke, by some. It’s all well and good doing these investigation but if nought comes from them then its yet another example of virtue signalling. They can investigate, however, unless they can clearly identify those responsible, there is little more they can do - I don't see that as virtue signalling. You could just as easily say that all the clubs who get involved with Her Game Too are just paying lip service, or virtue signalling, as with racism etc It must be particularly difficult to identify people on a terrace for comments made, as there are no seat numbers to trace them, CCTV only really works if there are groups chanting abuse. |
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