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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 16, 2015 15:32:14 GMT
Reduced Capacity! - Split ownership! (possibly 3 ways) - No Car park revenue! - Reduced income streams! And this is his so called 'Promised land!!!! 'To be fair - Yes shiny new stadium But we may as well stay at the mem! And yes i agree with the OP - "NH is leading us into permanent lower league football ?" and i'm extremely concerned that with so-called Plan B we will end up being RagBag Rovers forever! Edit: Oh i forgot you can probably add an 8 lane athletics track to the Plan B too! That should help our atmosphere at games - NOT! Come on Jon lets not let a rant get in the way of facts,inasmuchas Rovers have spent the majority of their playing life at the bottom of the league pyramid Exacly and i for one don't want us to slither along this crappy level WE CAN and should be aiming for better!
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 16, 2015 15:36:13 GMT
There are other ways of getting UWE built 'to original description' Higgs is desperate and is acting like a desperate man - i didn't say i wanted to develop the mem i said his Plan B is like staying here as it is! The club will have no increased revenue Sorry Jon i miss read what you said ! I agree 100% in what you say, i feel we are being lead down the wrong road with this plan "B" Thanks HG - I honestly feel this is wrong - Plan B see's us remain in the lower divisions for decades! This is our chance and i think you realise these plans are not good enough and revenues will remain unsustainable for future development all Plan B really does is ensure the sale of The mem and individuals get their money back - I'm not anti-board but i'm seriously concerned UTG
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 16, 2015 15:41:21 GMT
There is so much sh** put about this forum, why don't you just wait and see what happens before making your own mind up. Ask your self this could you do a better job than Higgs I know I couldn't Been waiting since 1986. Higgs is just the latest to continually feed us a line; the latest is, o ye, I do have a plan B, but I can not tell you about it. ffs, personally fed up with the blah blag blah bull ****.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 16, 2015 15:46:05 GMT
Do you know what plan B is? As usual Padstow the board deem us the last to know! So we can only go by what we find out ourselves - yet again poor communication - look i think you know i'm no ranter or gloom merchant but if neccessary i will say what i feel has to be said for a better future for the club WE all love and i cannot sit back and see a huge opportunity spurned for the sake of our children and even their children - This club can do so much better - imo!
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Post by Parrot on Sept 16, 2015 16:02:45 GMT
Do you know what plan B is? As usual Padstow the board deem us the last to know! So we can only go by what we find out ourselves - yet again poor communication - look i think you know i'm no ranter or gloom merchant but if neccessary i will say what i feel has to be said for a better future for the club WE all love and i cannot sit back and see a huge opportunity spurned for the sake of our children and even their children - This club can do so much better - imo! This. Read all of JTSs posts since the start of Gaschat. cant remember him ever posting anything out of line or unfounded ?
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Post by gasincider on Sept 16, 2015 16:14:09 GMT
John. It's exactly how I feel. This build whatever it may entail will almost certainly be it as far as Rovers progress is concerned. Even I have not harped on continually about our board, but if we are anywhere close in this assessment, the club will never amount to anything.
If plan B entails selling the Mem and playing at a rented ground then we are finished. We have no money now, the board get their money back in a fire sale of the Mem, and we have no assets into the future which can be sold to build a bigger ground or anything else for that matter. But more important, with the level of income we get now, we will then have to pay rent as well.
This is the only time we have anything close to resembling an asset to allow us to grow. If NH wants to get his money back, why has he turned down opportunities to sell shares in the past.
The reason is that he wants his cake and eat it. He wants to tell the world, look I got you your stadium and kept my promise. It seems his motivation is first and foremost to get his money back, and to lead us into the new stadium. In other words, he is no longer acting in the best interests of the club.
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Post by lulworthgas on Sept 16, 2015 16:16:30 GMT
RUMOURS that new plans for a stadium in South Gloucestershire were being drawn up have been quashed by the district council and the University of the West of England (UWE).
Bristol Rovers fan forums are awash with possible proposals to replace the club’s own 21,700-seater stadium, which has planning permission on UWE land in Stoke Gifford but is looking less and less likely to go ahead after Sainsbury’s pulled out of buying its existing ground, the Memorial Stadium in Horfield, leaving the club short of cash to fund the project.
One site, Vital Gas, posted a story at the weekend which said UWE had contacted South Gloucestershire Council with a view to building a smaller 15,000-seater stadium on its campus. It stated the stadium would be rented out to Bristol Rovers for use by the club.
The story sparked great interest among fans disappointed over Sainsbury’s decision not to purchase the Horfield site and was widely shared across social media sites.
However, the council confirmed to the Gazette that it had not been contacted by UWE.
A spokesman said: “While the existing stadium consent is still in place, we have not received any other applications or requests to alter the existing plans.”
A UWE spokeswoman said the existing planning application by Rovers is still in place and it was unaware of any proposal to build its own stadium.
In July the High Court ruled that the contract between Rovers and Sainsbury’s had ended lawfully but the football club has now been given leave to appeal that decision.
A Sainsbury’s spokesperson said: “We note that Bristol Rovers have been granted permission to appeal.
“We understand it is a sensitive issue but are confident that the Court of Appeal will uphold the High Court's judgment that the conditional contract lawfully ended in November 2014.
“We will continue to work with the local community through our existing Bristol stores which are extremely popular with customers.”
In a statement, a spokesman for Bristol Rovers said: “The club will now seek to have the hearing expedited in the hope it will be held in late November or early December this year.
“We would also like to take this opportunity to say we appreciate the support and encouragement we continue to receive from fans during this testing time.
“A large number of you have approached members of the board during pre-season games, both home and away, to offer your support, and the over-whelming message has been one of ‘Don’t give up the fight’.”
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 16, 2015 16:21:04 GMT
John. It's exactly how I feel. This build whatever it may entail will almost certainly be it as far as Rovers progress is concerned. Even I have not harped on continually about our board, but if we are anywhere close in this assessment, the club will never amount to anything. If plan B entails selling the Mem and playing at a rented ground then we are finished. We have no money now, the board get their money back in a fire sale of the Mem, and we have no assets into the future which can be sold to build a bigger ground or anything else for that matter. But more important, with the level of income we get now, we will then have to pay rent as well. This is the only time we have anything close to resembling an asset to allow us to grow. If NH wants to get his money back, why has he turned down opportunities to sell shares in the past. The reason is that he wants his cake and eat it. He wants to tell the world, look I got you your stadium and kept my promise. It seems his motivation is first and foremost to get his money back, and to lead us into the new stadium. In other words, he is no longer acting in the best interests of the club. I couldn't have put it better myself - outlined in Bold is it in a nutshell imho. I can only see us ending up a cross between Coventry and Gateshead! Similar to Gateshead: small football/Athletics Sports Complex and similar to Coventry: Shared ownership/No real control and problems further down the line! Apathy now will mean misery in the future - again in my opinion
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 16, 2015 16:22:20 GMT
Well that's put pay to that then
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 16:26:03 GMT
John. It's exactly how I feel. This build whatever it may entail will almost certainly be it as far as Rovers progress is concerned. Even I have not harped on continually about our board, but if we are anywhere close in this assessment, the club will never amount to anything. If plan B entails selling the Mem and playing at a rented ground then we are finished. We have no money now, the board get their money back in a fire sale of the Mem, and we have no assets into the future which can be sold to build a bigger ground or anything else for that matter. But more important, with the level of income we get now, we will then have to pay rent as well. This is the only time we have anything close to resembling an asset to allow us to grow. If NH wants to get his money back, why has he turned down opportunities to sell shares in the past. The reason is that he wants his cake and eat it. He wants to tell the world, look I got you your stadium and kept my promise. It seems his motivation is first and foremost to get his money back, and to lead us into the new stadium. In other words, he is no longer acting in the best interests of the club. Brilliant post and spot on as to what Higgs motives are. Hopefully his co directors will expose him sooner rather than later.
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Post by gasincider on Sept 16, 2015 16:28:52 GMT
We must be the only club in the football league who have made progress by looking likely to swap our 'owned' ground for a rented stadium.
Sorry, but what am I missing here in terms of progress?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 16:36:45 GMT
John. It's exactly how I feel. This build whatever it may entail will almost certainly be it as far as Rovers progress is concerned. Even I have not harped on continually about our board, but if we are anywhere close in this assessment, the club will never amount to anything. If plan B entails selling the Mem and playing at a rented ground then we are finished. We have no money now, the board get their money back in a fire sale of the Mem, and we have no assets into the future which can be sold to build a bigger ground or anything else for that matter. But more important, with the level of income we get now, we will then have to pay rent as well. This is the only time we have anything close to resembling an asset to allow us to grow. If NH wants to get his money back, why has he turned down opportunities to sell shares in the past. The reason is that he wants his cake and eat it. He wants to tell the world, look I got you your stadium and kept my promise. It seems his motivation is first and foremost to get his money back, and to lead us into the new stadium. In other words, he is no longer acting in the best interests of the club. I couldn't have put it better myself - outlined in Bold is it in a nutshell imho. I can only see us ending up a cross between Coventry and Gateshead! Similar to Gateshead: small football/Athletics Sports Complex and similar to Coventry: Shared ownership/No real control and problems further down the line! Apathy now will mean misery in the future - again in my opinion John have you seen plan B or are you saying you will not be happy unless we move under the original agreement with somebody else paying for our build and lease.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 16:41:38 GMT
We must be the only club in the football league who have made progress by looking likely to swap our 'owned' ground for a rented stadium. Sorry, but what am I missing here in terms of progress? Do you actually know for sure that is what we are looking to do, or is that what you think?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 16, 2015 16:44:12 GMT
I couldn't have put it better myself - outlined in Bold is it in a nutshell imho. I can only see us ending up a cross between Coventry and Gateshead! Similar to Gateshead: small football/Athletics Sports Complex and similar to Coventry: Shared ownership/No real control and problems further down the line! Apathy now will mean misery in the future - again in my opinion John have you seen plan B or are you saying you will not be happy unless we move under the original agreement with somebody else paying for our build and lease. I have been told by a trusted person what Plan B is likely to be when they meet UWE and i still believe there can be another way of completing the original UWE blueprint which is our only real chance of progressing to Championship level anytime in the future- of course people can say i know nothing and thats fine but i trust what i've been told and would rather look stupid arguing a good cause than turn a blind eye and hope everything is ok one day - UTG
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 17:01:11 GMT
John have you seen plan B or are you saying you will not be happy unless we move under the original agreement with somebody else paying for our build and lease. I have been told by a trusted person what Plan B is likely to be when they meet UWE and i still believe there can be another way of completing the original UWE blueprint which is our only real chance of progressing to Championship level anytime in the future- of course people can say i know nothing and thats fine but i trust what i've been told and would rather look stupid arguing a good cause than turn a blind eye and hope everything is ok one day - UTG I believe you are genuinely concerned and you possibly have knowledge that I don't so I am not going to debate this with you out of respect. However I prefer to wait until I see the details of plan B for myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 17:08:49 GMT
I have been told by a trusted person what Plan B is likely to be when they meet UWE and i still believe there can be another way of completing the original UWE blueprint which is our only real chance of progressing to Championship level anytime in the future- of course people can say i know nothing and thats fine but i trust what i've been told and would rather look stupid arguing a good cause than turn a blind eye and hope everything is ok one day - UTG I believe you are genuinely concerned and you possibly have knowledge that I don't so I am not going to debate this with you out of respect. However I prefer to wait until I see the details of plan B for myself. I expect it to be signed and sealed before the supporters find out what has occurred.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 16, 2015 17:11:27 GMT
I have been told by a trusted person what Plan B is likely to be when they meet UWE and i still believe there can be another way of completing the original UWE blueprint which is our only real chance of progressing to Championship level anytime in the future- of course people can say i know nothing and thats fine but i trust what i've been told and would rather look stupid arguing a good cause than turn a blind eye and hope everything is ok one day - UTG I believe you are genuinely concerned and you possibly have knowledge that I don't so I am not going to debate this with you out of respect. However I prefer to wait until I see the details of plan B for myself. And i thank you for your respect - my worry is we won't find out the finer details of so-called 'Plan B' until it is signed off and final by which time it will be too late to even debate - I assure you if i wasn't concerned i wouldn't even be giving my opinion -UTG!
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Post by gasincider on Sept 16, 2015 17:23:40 GMT
In the midst of all this, I wonder what the individual equity directors opinions are in all this. They should know what's happening, unless of course NH has even left them in blissful ignorance, just as he treats our fans directors.
EW- ? CJ- a very intelligent man, who cannot be happy with NH and his leadership style. Would be great if he broke ranks. BB- obviously a dedicated Gashead at heart, and again cannot be happy with what is going on. He is easily made fun of, but he could become a hero if he makes a stand against the way we are being led.
If any of these loves the club like we all do, it would be great if they could resign or indeed better still vote down the chairman. Now is our time to really spell it out that we cannot be sold down the river yet again. There has to be a better way. Is NH still actively looking for investors to save this club, or will we just drift aimlessly into the sunset
We have to stand up to being sold on the cheap for the fans of the future. Remember the directors are only here for a while, the club must survive them.
As for the confirmation from UWE posted above, that is very old news. What has been happening since then?
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Post by alvestongas on Sept 16, 2015 18:47:47 GMT
With Jon the Stripe with this all the way.
I guess we have to see Plan A through to its conclusion just in case an Appeal is successful.
Plan B as described by Jon - would be a short cut to disaster. We need to have an income stream, we need security of tenure, we need ambition.
Plan C - my plan - would see a wealthy investor or Group of Investors buy out NH & invest in the full development of UWE & take the club forwards with the huge potential UWE and investment would unlock. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity that must be grasped. We can but hope that this opportunity might arise and that it would be taken by those in control.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 16, 2015 18:56:03 GMT
If the plan is to sell the Mem and move to an entirely UWE owned stadium (and I don't have a clue what the plan actually is), then we should, as fans, point blank refuse and do whatever we can to stop it.
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