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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2016 9:41:43 GMT
Not quite sure where all these variances of opinion come from. The judgement will say if the contract is enforced or not. If we win, Shamesburys will be made to buy the stadium site for £28m or whatever. If we lose, which is highly likely, then we get to find out Higgs true legacy i.e. The costs of everything. Compensation doesn't come into it as far as I am aware. It's basically all or nothing. That's a somewhat different view than Steve Hamer gave on the 20men Friday night show following the takeover when he suggested it was now case of agreeing "damages" if we won the Appeal. Assuming the Mem is worth £15m the contact worth £28m Sainsburys could just hand over £13m + costs and every body is happy, although the chances of us winning the Appeal do now seem remote.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2016 9:54:25 GMT
From what the new Board are saying about the ground will be sold to help finance the new stadium the court has already notified the league teams of its decision. Prior to the take over this may well have resulted in administration which would have been a travesty given the progress on the pitch. Thank goodness for the Al-Quadi family and the AJIB. That's just talking nonsense as our own legal team would only find out this week and apart from divulging the result to NH etc nobody else will be informed.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 14, 2016 10:08:44 GMT
From what the new Board are saying about the ground will be sold to help finance the new stadium the court has already notified the league teams of its decision. Prior to the take over this may well have resulted in administration which would have been a travesty given the progress on the pitch. Thank goodness for the Al-Quadi family and the AJIB. That's just talking nonsense as our own legal team would only find out this week and apart from divulging the result to NH etc nobody else will be informed. I think oldgas' league teams was a typo for 'legal teams.'
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Post by phillistine on Mar 14, 2016 10:32:03 GMT
If we lose- which is surely what most people expect- it doesnt alter the fact the shameless actions of certain individuals or parties.
We have the people of Trash and the like who stuck 2 fingers up to democracy by using their " rights" to block and ultimately cripple an action that was obviously wanted by the majority. Their aim was that it " should remain dedicated to sport and recreation, as was intended by its founders." In reality they became a group just anti the Sainsburys development with absolutely no plans for furthering their own aims. They wasted so much public money.
We have Sainsburys who have shown their true colours. In years gone by when out of Town Centres were opposed by local authorities it was a known tactic by the Supermarkets to appeal decisions until the Local authorities could not justify spending taxpayers money defending their stance. They employed specialist consultants to overcome planning issues. Now they want to get out of a contract and use the law to their own ends. They may win but it does not make it right.
People will have a go at NH and his belief that he had a cast iron case but he has acted honourably in the Rovers best interest throughout this case and whilst he may have been naieve in trusting his legal team so much, the reality is that we wouldn't be where we are today without the efforts many people put in, with the intention of furthering our footie club.
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Post by northsidegas on Mar 14, 2016 10:57:49 GMT
do you think the club already knows the verdict? chairman said hes going london this week to look at potential investment for the new stadium?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 14, 2016 10:58:59 GMT
If we lose- which is surely what most people expect- it doesnt alter the fact the shameless actions of certain individuals or parties. We have the people of Trash and the like who stuck 2 fingers up to democracy by using their " rights" to block and ultimately cripple an action that was obviously wanted by the majority. Their aim was that it " should remain dedicated to sport and recreation, as was intended by its founders." In reality they became a group just anti the Sainsburys development with absolutely no plans for furthering their own aims. They wasted so much public money. We have Sainsburys who have shown their true colours. In years gone by when out of Town Centres were opposed by local authorities it was a known tactic by the Supermarkets to appeal decisions until the Local authorities could not justify spending taxpayers money defending their stance. They employed specialist consultants to overcome planning issues. Now they want to get out of a contract and use the law to their own ends. They may win but it does not make it right. People will have a go at NH and his belief that he had a cast iron case but he has acted honourably in the Rovers best interest throughout this case and whilst he may have been naieve in trusting his legal team so much, the reality is that we wouldn't be where we are today without the efforts many people put in, with the intention of furthering our footie club. Quality Post - best this year to date re stadium matters
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 14, 2016 10:59:53 GMT
If we lose- which is surely what most people expect- it doesnt alter the fact the shameless actions of certain individuals or parties. We have the people of Trash and the like who stuck 2 fingers up to democracy by using their " rights" to block and ultimately cripple an action that was obviously wanted by the majority. Their aim was that it " should remain dedicated to sport and recreation, as was intended by its founders." In reality they became a group just anti the Sainsburys development with absolutely no plans for furthering their own aims. They wasted so much public money. We have Sainsburys who have shown their true colours. In years gone by when out of Town Centres were opposed by local authorities it was a known tactic by the Supermarkets to appeal decisions until the Local authorities could not justify spending taxpayers money defending their stance. They employed specialist consultants to overcome planning issues. Now they want to get out of a contract and use the law to their own ends. They may win but it does not make it right. People will have a go at NH and his belief that he had a cast iron case but he has acted honourably in the Rovers best interest throughout this case and whilst he may have been naieve in trusting his legal team so much, the reality is that we wouldn't be where we are today without the efforts many people put in, with the intention of furthering our footie club. Don't read this too literally as it came third hand, but a friend of mine knew some of those sympathetic to TRASH so I joked to him that had it been Waitrose then it would have been accepted with open arms. When this was put to the sympathiser by my friend the reaction was along the lines of 'that would be different'. Essentially it was just NIMBYism and snobbery for many of them. Nothing we didn't already know, though.
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Post by Langford Gas on Mar 14, 2016 11:12:09 GMT
do you think the club already knows the verdict? chairman said hes going london this week to look at potential investment for the new stadium? I think he said he was going to talk to the Funders disn't mention looking for any
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2016 11:42:38 GMT
If we lose- which is surely what most people expect- it doesnt alter the fact the shameless actions of certain individuals or parties. We have the people of Trash and the like who stuck 2 fingers up to democracy by using their " rights" to block and ultimately cripple an action that was obviously wanted by the majority. Their aim was that it " should remain dedicated to sport and recreation, as was intended by its founders." In reality they became a group just anti the Sainsburys development with absolutely no plans for furthering their own aims. They wasted so much public money. We have Sainsburys who have shown their true colours. In years gone by when out of Town Centres were opposed by local authorities it was a known tactic by the Supermarkets to appeal decisions until the Local authorities could not justify spending taxpayers money defending their stance. They employed specialist consultants to overcome planning issues. Now they want to get out of a contract and use the law to their own ends. They may win but it does not make it right. People will have a go at NH and his belief that he had a cast iron case but he has acted honourably in the Rovers best interest throughout this case and whilst he may have been naieve in trusting his legal team so much, the reality is that we wouldn't be where we are today without the efforts many people put in, with the intention of furthering our footie club. There's always the possiblity, however remote Trash were getting funded, somehow, by Sainsbury's as it seems odd both their developments have been abandoned in Bristol due to odd protests? With regards to wasting public money surely they have won? As far as NH s concerned perhaps he should have smelt a rat when Sainsbury's out bid Waitrose(?) by nearly £10m plus he was clearly taking nonsense when he said the contracts were "watertight" and, should we lose, he's thrown millions away in a pointless legal action how is that acting in Rovers best interests, he even turned down an offer of £1.5m to settle out of court, with costs that would have been a £2.5+ offer. Things could be looking a bit bleak if it wasn't for the Al-Q's this week,
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Post by cookinongas on Mar 14, 2016 11:53:19 GMT
We are really in a win/win situaion. If we do happent to win the case its going to be a big bonus as Wael has stated this morning on twitter that win or lose we are going to have a new stadium
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Post by gaelgas on Mar 14, 2016 12:06:22 GMT
'As far as NH s concerned perhaps he should have smelt a rat when Sainsbury's out bid Waitrose(?)', [/quote]
I'm not entirely sure you actually smelt a rat to be honest, or what you'd get if you did manage to, pig iron maybe?
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Post by syg on Mar 14, 2016 12:16:34 GMT
We are really in a win/win situaion. If we do happent to win the case its going to be a big bonus as Wael has stated this morning on twitter that win or lose we are going to have a new stadium cant see anything from wael on twitter stating that
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2016 13:07:38 GMT
We are really in a win/win situaion. If we do happent to win the case its going to be a big bonus as Wael has stated this morning on twitter that win or lose we are going to have a new stadium cant see anything from wael on twitter stating that The only tweet I've seen from him is reetweet of the Guardian article, although that mentions the UWE it doesn't say anything about the court case?
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Post by lympstonegas on Mar 14, 2016 13:55:11 GMT
If we lose- which is surely what most people expect- it doesnt alter the fact the shameless actions of certain individuals or parties. We have the people of Trash and the like who stuck 2 fingers up to democracy by using their " rights" to block and ultimately cripple an action that was obviously wanted by the majority. Their aim was that it " should remain dedicated to sport and recreation, as was intended by its founders." In reality they became a group just anti the Sainsburys development with absolutely no plans for furthering their own aims. They wasted so much public money. We have Sainsburys who have shown their true colours. In years gone by when out of Town Centres were opposed by local authorities it was a known tactic by the Supermarkets to appeal decisions until the Local authorities could not justify spending taxpayers money defending their stance. They employed specialist consultants to overcome planning issues. Now they want to get out of a contract and use the law to their own ends. They may win but it does not make it right. People will have a go at NH and his belief that he had a cast iron case but he has acted honourably in the Rovers best interest throughout this case and whilst he may have been naieve in trusting his legal team so much, the reality is that we wouldn't be where we are today without the efforts many people put in, with the intention of furthering our footie club. Quality Post - best this year to date re stadium matters Yep agree - trouble is sadly we all know the forum NH Board haters will have a field day Thursday if we don't get any sort of favourable result - Really hoping there will be no Groundhog Day and people would have moved on embracing the new regime but we will see
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Mar 14, 2016 19:33:13 GMT
Interesting how this has nearly dropped to the second page despite only being originally posted this morning. This was seen as the most important date in the club's history a few weeks ago. Now it is of less interest than a guy trying to flog a Newport ticket for £30.
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Post by dragonfly on Mar 14, 2016 20:12:29 GMT
To me the most important things that has come out of the Sainsbury affair is the planning permissions for the phantom supermarket and the UWE which is the jewel in the crown. Higgs said the ground would get built, of that he seemed confident. He also said long ago that he would sell the Club to whoever had the best interests of BRFC at heart and he appears to have delivered just that, so I would declare that Higgs has played a Blinder. Defeat in the courts (pending) will pale into comparative insignificance when History is recorded.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 14, 2016 21:10:42 GMT
That's just talking nonsense as our own legal team would only find out this week and apart from divulging the result to NH etc nobody else will be informed. I think oldgas' league teams was a typo for 'legal teams.' Just got home from work and indeed yes, I meant legal team, not so much a typo as this predictive text thingie altering my words to what it thinks I meant.
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Post by aghast on Mar 14, 2016 22:26:43 GMT
To me the most important things that has come out of the Sainsbury affair is the planning permissions for the phantom supermarket and the UWE which is the jewel in the crown. Higgs said the ground would get built, of that he seemed confident. He also said long ago that he would sell the Club to whoever had the best interests of BRFC at heart and he appears to have delivered just that, so I would declare that Higgs has played a Blinder. Defeat in the courts (pending) will pale into comparative insignificance when History is recorded. A flawed but brilliant plan, on the surface. However, those who know more than I do about these things have said that UWE made the original approach to NH, offering the land on a leasehold, requiring only that we raise sufficient funds to build the stadium through selling the Mem. Those who know even more say that when we put the Mem site out to tender, Sainsbury's offered £10M more than anyone else in their bid, thereby easily raising the required £30M or so. Others who know even more than the others have said that Sainsbury's only offered that huge sum in order to put off other buyers, and in fact never actually intended to buy the site. If any or all of those things are true, then it dilutes the legend that NH is the master planner behind our new stadium. But since I don't know if any of the rumours are actually true, then I can't judge him.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 14, 2016 22:36:38 GMT
The Judge will inform our QC 24 hours before the public announcement this gives them time to talk about appealing ect. Of course this doesn't mean anything to us, but I really want to win, because 1. we get the money,but more importantly it gives all the other groups that have been screwed by the super markets a chance. These bastards have had their own way for the last 50 odd years, time someone brought them down a peg or two.
It would be ironic if they wanted to build an express store close to the new ground, I think there would be lots of objections!
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Post by lulworthgas on Mar 14, 2016 23:30:46 GMT
How many pages would there be to this thread if we hadn't been taken over!!
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