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Post by justin blue on Mar 15, 2016 9:55:56 GMT
But when NH took over a lot of people said the same ? Time changes things ? Which is why so many of us remain quietly cautious over our new owners. Over time NH was a proven failure. (At fault and unlucky) Time will prove how the new owners will be judged. Cautiously optimistic.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2016 10:21:19 GMT
But when NH took over a lot of people said the same ? Time changes things ? Which is why so many of us remain quietly cautious over our new owners. Over time NH was a proven failure. (At fault and unlucky) Time will prove how the new owners will be judged. I'm in the same boat Hugo, but i believe actions DO speak louder than words..
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 15, 2016 10:48:46 GMT
He did. And he acted on it on April 30th 1945. Careful. In fairness this comment is pretty uncontroversial!
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 15, 2016 10:49:53 GMT
Not all of it can be blamed on NH either. Â Why do we have to have black and white ? Like life, a little bit of everything alter things, I expect even Hitler had some good ideas. I thought it was all John Ward's fault. I think some people still want to believe that as part of the NH master plan he got us relegated and into financial peril to unearth a millionaire to take us over. Some people will never criticize him however appalling his record as chairman was. Some people will never praise him either! I can do both and see the bigger picture. Footballing wise it was a massive failure, took us to our lowest position ever, although he backed the managers so they have to take some of the blame as well. He was in charge though, so he has to take the majority of the blame. Off the pitch, yes HD built up debt, however, the club has always been building debt and most teams debts have increased during the same period, due to increasing agent and player fees. We gave out stupid contracts, but he trusted his managers and thought they would improve us by doing that. You have to give him praise for Uwe. He worked on that in secret for years without us knowing and we should be in it debt free if it wasn't for trash and Sainsburys. Don't think Wael would have taken us over if it wasn't for Uwe. So although he deserves stick for a lot, he also deserves praise for the foundations he has put in place. He wasted money on the appeal, but I think part of that was to keep Uwe alive while we were still in takeover talks. If he said we are not going to appeal there would have been a lot more questions. Also he deserves credit for Wael. He said he would only sell to the write person and although it's only early days, it looks like he did a great job of picking him. Plus fans said he didn't learn. Really?? Last season no more long deals, no stupid contracts and he backed Dc when we needed him to. It doesn't have to be all black or all white. He did some awful things and he did some good things, with the potential to be great.
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Post by phillistine on Mar 15, 2016 11:21:27 GMT
But when NH took over a lot of people said the same ? Time changes things ? Which is why so many of us remain quietly cautious over our new owners. Over time NH was a proven failure. (At fault and unlucky) Time will prove how the new owners will be judged. Was he such a proven failure? He was guilty of seeing us relegated and no-one can argue with that. Certainly that has to be seen as a major failure in the short term. A failure however accepts defeat and doesn't turn everything around in the way that the club has been transformed. The Board's decision to stick with Dc when he was untried got us back into the football League. The new owners openly state that they wouldn't have looked at us had we not been in the Football LeagueWas his work on the new stadium a failure? He effectively found us the new stadium site - negotiated a back to back agreement which would have self funded had Trash not raised its head. The new owners admit that the new stadium made the club an attractive proposition and so we wouldn't be where we are today had he not laid the foundations of that . The reality is that everyone judges him based on the fact that he got us relegated and ignores everything else. In a few years time we may well be looking at a different Rovers completely and when we look back we will see that the relegation was the spark that started the new era for Bristol Rovers . NH has been chairman for the first 1.5 seasons of that and that should not be forgotten.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2016 11:51:08 GMT
Which is why so many of us remain quietly cautious over our new owners. Over time NH was a proven failure. (At fault and unlucky) Time will prove how the new owners will be judged. Was he such a proven failure? He was guilty of seeing us relegated and no-one can argue with that. Certainly that has to be seen as a major failure in the short term. A failure however accepts defeat and doesn't turn everything around in the way that the club has been transformed. The Board's decision to stick with Dc when he was untried got us back into the football League. The new owners openly state that they wouldn't have looked at us had we not been in the Football LeagueWas his work on the new stadium a failure? He effectively found us the new stadium site - negotiated a back to back agreement which would have self funded had Trash not raised its head. The new owners admit that the new stadium made the club an attractive proposition and so we wouldn't be where we are today had he not laid the foundations of that . The reality is that everyone judges him based on the fact that he got us relegated and ignores everything else. In a few years time we may well be looking at a different Rovers completely and when we look back we will see that the relegation was the spark that started the new era for Bristol Rovers . NH has been chairman for the first 1.5 seasons of that and that should not be forgotten. ......or did NH just get v. lucky at the 11th hour when MSP put Hamer/Wael in touch with the club, what would have happened if Scully had decided to sell Gillingham to the Al-Q's?
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Post by madgas on Mar 15, 2016 11:53:55 GMT
We need to stop killing eachother over Higgs.
He's gone. I've supported him in the past. Like most he got things right, others wrong, nothing deliberately. Ultimately if Wael gets us into the championship and Rovers get the UWE- Higgs has played a role- even his biggest critics must accept that. Could it have been smoother possibly? Yes.
But let's just leave it and crack on as a band of brothers.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 15, 2016 11:58:29 GMT
Our debt increased under NH.
Our League Position nosedived under NH.
The relationship between the Fans and Board broke down under NH.
We saw no improvements at the Mem under NH (certainly not in the last 5 years)
We DID NOT get a new ground under NH! He failed several times to deliver a new stadium and we will find out shortly if he was about to fail again.
He negotiated a contract that he claimed was "watertight" that our partners then walked away from. He then lied to fans about Sainsbury still being on board with the plan when he knew they were not.
Yes, he backed DC. I'll give him credit for that. But then he also backed McGhee, Buckle and Ward until he didn't....
He also lied about knowing a consortium when he knew full well he was in talks and that he'd banned local media from reporting it.
He also closed down the OF because he could no longer control the criticism of his regime and the players behaviour.
He froze fans Directors out of any meaningful role despite fans paying for the right to have themselves represented at board level.
The only success he had was that he got bought out! Arise Sir Nick!!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 15, 2016 12:00:00 GMT
We need to stop killing eachother over Higgs. He's gone. I've supported him in the past. Like most he got things right, others wrong, nothing deliberately. Ultimately if Wael gets us into the championship and Rovers get the UWE- Higgs has played a role- even his biggest critics must accept that. Could it have been smoother possibly? Yes. But let's just leave it and crack on as a band of brothers. Sorry mate but some of the things that watered me off about Higgs was done deliberately. That's why I'm so angry.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2016 12:01:48 GMT
We need to name one of the stands at UWE after him ( i said stands not sh@thouse, Hugo ) !
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Post by newmarketgas on Mar 15, 2016 12:14:38 GMT
Re Consortium, the new guys thanked NH for not going public but Hugo thinks he was being nasty to us for doing that! Not all things are as simple as they look. Except me!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2016 13:05:54 GMT
Re Consortium, the new guys thanked NH for not going public but Hugo thinks he was being nasty to us for doing that! Not all things are as simple as they look. Except me! Wasn't the "consortium" just fragment of somebody's imagination anyway? Perhaps we should all just pause for breath on this thread and see what Thursday brings as I assume win or lose the new owners will have to make some announcement about building the new stadium.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 15, 2016 13:19:16 GMT
"I assume win or lose the new owners will have to make some announcement about building the new stadium."
They already have mate over and over
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2016 13:22:13 GMT
"I assume win or lose the new owners will have to make some announcement about building the new stadium." They already have mate over and over But we're not in the habit of believing good news, here.
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Post by womble on Mar 15, 2016 13:26:18 GMT
Re Consortium, the new guys thanked NH for not going public but Hugo thinks he was being nasty to us for doing that! Not all things are as simple as they look. Except me! Wasn't the "consortium" just fragment of somebody's imagination anyway? Perhaps we should all just pause for breath on this thread and see what Thursday brings as I assume win or lose the new owners will have to make some announcement about building the new stadium. If you mean the consortium referred to by JTS etc, probably not. When Ali Durden reported on Points West about the Al Qadi buy out, he said there was another consortium interested. As to their identities, I imagine only a few people know for sure. If I had to guess, the registration of a company involving the name Bristol Rovers might point to Mike Turl being the ex Bristol Rovers connection and Swissgas has experience of arranging contacts etc in the states. All speculation on my part and history now anyway. I do wonder if Wael will settle for 21,700 or go straight for the second tier taking it up to 26,000.
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 15, 2016 13:45:22 GMT
Our debt increased under NH. Our League Position nosedived under NH. The relationship between the Fans and Board broke down under NH. We saw no improvements at the Mem under NH (certainly not in the last 5 years) We DID NOT get a new ground under NH! He failed several times to deliver a new stadium and we will find out shortly if he was about to fail again. He negotiated a contract that he claimed was "watertight" that our partners then walked away from. He then lied to fans about Sainsbury still being on board with the plan when he knew they were not. Yes, he backed DC. I'll give him credit for that. But then he also backed McGhee, Buckle and Ward until he didn't.... He also lied about knowing a consortium when he knew full well he was in talks and that he'd banned local media from reporting it. He also closed down the OF because he could no longer control the criticism of his regime and the players behaviour. He froze fans Directors out of any meaningful role despite fans paying for the right to have themselves represented at board level. The only success he had was that he got bought out! Arise Sir Nick!! At the end of the day if we sit in the Uwe in the future he didn't fail, whether we win or lose on Thursday!!! You can't say all the bad things are his thought, but the good things were luck. He might have been lucky finding Wael, but he did! That's like saying if it wasn't for Trash we would be sat in it now which we would! So he had bad luck a lot, so deserves some good luck as well. You can't put everything good to luck, but not the bad lol. Luck evens itself out, so he has laid the foundations end of. I'm not a Higgs fan, but I'm not going to twist everything to make it one sided either. If you argue a point, you have to apply it the other way as well!!!!!! We wouldn't have Wael and the plans for a brighter future if it wasn't for Higgs work. His tenure was a failure, however, it has laid the foundations for a brighter future.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2016 13:47:25 GMT
Wasn't the "consortium" just fragment of somebody's imagination anyway? Perhaps we should all just pause for breath on this thread and see what Thursday brings as I assume win or lose the new owners will have to make some announcement about building the new stadium. If you mean the consortium referred to by JTS etc, probably not. When Ali Durden reported on Points West about the Al Qadi buy out, he said there was another consortium interested. As to their identities, I imagine only a few people know for sure. If I had to guess, the registration of a company involving the name Bristol Rovers might point to Mike Turl being the ex Bristol Rovers connection and Swissgas has experience of arranging contacts etc in the states. All speculation on my part and history now anyway. I do wonder if Wael will settle for 21,700 or go straight for the second tier taking it up to 26,000.Maybe more..... 27,001 would be fine.... with a roof !
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 15, 2016 13:50:19 GMT
If you mean the consortium referred to by JTS etc, probably not. When Ali Durden reported on Points West about the Al Qadi buy out, he said there was another consortium interested. As to their identities, I imagine only a few people know for sure. If I had to guess, the registration of a company involving the name Bristol Rovers might point to Mike Turl being the ex Bristol Rovers connection and Swissgas has experience of arranging contacts etc in the states. All speculation on my part and history now anyway. I do wonder if Wael will settle for 21,700 or go straight for the second tier taking it up to 26,000.Maybe more..... 27,001 would be fine.... with a roof ! Will need changes then though, original plans were for 26,000 no problem.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2016 13:55:48 GMT
Maybe more..... 27,001 would be fine.... with a roof ! Will need changes then though, original plans were for 26,000 no problem. i understand we can change some of the internal structures of the stadium which may be able to accommodate the extra seating. If we change the fabric of the design then further planning will be required ie if we wanted to put a retractable roof on then a complete redesign would be needed
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2016 14:04:20 GMT
I do wonder if Wael will settle for 21,700 or go straight for the second tier taking it up to 26,000. Cardiff built an extra tier, and had to close it again, and I don't suppose MKdons have needed theirs very often. Istm the Championship isn't really the way to open the fan floodgates. It's the Premier League or nothing when it comes to attracting the thousands of plastic fans that we all seem to want in our stadium, but I bet no one wants to sit next to.
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