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Post by therovers on May 2, 2016 18:38:16 GMT
Matty Taylor isn't a rovers fan like us though is he , this is his career and as much as it pains me to say we will end up being a stepping stone in his career. Of course if a bigger club comes along with more money and better prospects he will be off , and can you honestly begrudge him a move after what he's done thus far for us ? Football is not a long career and they have to look after themselves and their families. If I went in to work tomorrow and our rival tyre firm offered to double my money and offer me a better pension plan I would be gone in a heartbeat! What we have to realise is just because we would give our right arm to play for the gas it doesn't mean footballers want to because they aren't supporters it their place of work. Exactly,Matty Taylor owes Rovers nothing,he has been paid to do a job and he has done it,if he can get more pay somewhere else then good luck to him,if Rovers want to keep him they have to match the wages. I have seen loads of players and managers go on to bigger clubs,its a fact of life,we used to be pleased for them in fact I remember going to Wembley with other Rovers supporters to see Gary Mabbutt make his England debut against West Germany months after he left for Totts..before that Larry Lloyd went to Liverpool,Graydon to villa etc etc. I think that its supporters that should stay loyal but some even turned their coats in 76 when city got promoted !!!
EXACTLY. If we want to keep him, match the wages. That was my whole point of this thread in the first place... Will we finally do what we need to do to keep our best attackers, so we go up the leagues with them!? Does the takeover put us in a position where we don't have to just accept it and lose out on another good player and let them go on to bigger and better things, whilst the club who he got himself in the shop window with, stays slumming it at Stevenage & Braintree etc (it ended up getting that bad btw... Let's not forget that!!) UTG
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Post by bs9trymer on May 2, 2016 18:48:20 GMT
Exactly,Matty Taylor owes Rovers nothing,he has been paid to do a job and he has done it,if he can get more pay somewhere else then good luck to him,if Rovers want to keep him they have to match the wages. I have seen loads of players and managers go on to bigger clubs,its a fact of life,we used to be pleased for them in fact I remember going to Wembley with other Rovers supporters to see Gary Mabbutt make his England debut against West Germany months after he left for Totts..before that Larry Lloyd went to Liverpool,Graydon to villa etc etc. I think that its supporters that should stay loyal but some even turned their coats in 76 when city got promoted !!!
EXACTLY. If we want to keep him, match the wages. That was my whole point of this thread in the first place... Will we finally do what we need to do to keep our best attackers, so we go up the leagues with them!? Does the takeover put us in a position where we don't have to just accept it and lose out on another good player and let them go on to bigger and better things, whilst the club who he got himself in the shop window with, stays slumming it at Stevenage & Braintree etc (it ended up getting that bad btw... Let's not forget that!!) UTG I really hope that Rovers can keep Taylor and Bodin and not just the forwards but Leadbitter,Mansell and Mildenhall....IF they keep the best players AND add good ones to the squad then I believe that things will be changing for the better.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 18:48:40 GMT
Yeah, that's right. Your previous post didn't hit the point though. Taylor will leave for more money or better prospects. and if you were him, you'd leave the Gas wouldn't you? In fact if YOU, the ''gashead'' were in his position, you'd leave the Gas, wouldn't you! You think he'd be an idiot to stay with us, don't you? Certainly your past posts have suggested that this is the case. I would if there was a better offer for me and my family. If I was able to play at a level and my team were below that, why not? If I can double, treble my salary, why not? That's the way football works nowadays and although you think Lee Brown is uber loyal, the truth is more likely money related.
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Post by therovers on May 2, 2016 18:51:33 GMT
and if you were him, you'd leave the Gas wouldn't you? In fact if YOU, the ''gashead'' were in his position, you'd leave the Gas, wouldn't you! You think he'd be an idiot to stay with us, don't you? Certainly your past posts have suggested that this is the case. I would if there was a better offer for me and my family. If I was able to play at a level and my team were below that, why not? If I can double, treble my salary, why not? That's the way football works nowadays and although you think Lee Brown is uber loyal, the truth is more likely money related. see, you're only guessing... You're actually choosing to knock somebody who stayed with us, without actually knowing any facts at all. The fact is he DID stay with us and has played a huge part in the last 2 seasons. I love him for it!
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Post by therovers on May 2, 2016 18:55:16 GMT
and if you were him, you'd leave the Gas wouldn't you? In fact if YOU, the ''gashead'' were in his position, you'd leave the Gas, wouldn't you! You think he'd be an idiot to stay with us, don't you? Certainly your past posts have suggested that this is the case. I would if there was a better offer for me and my family. If I was able to play at a level and my team were below that, why not? If I can double, treble my salary, why not? That's the way football works nowadays and although you think Lee Brown is uber loyal, the truth is more likely money related. seriously it is madness. Bristol Rovers problem time & time again is that we get great players and end up losing them & end up with nothing in return. Now, when one actually does stay, even despite relegation to non-league, you are knocking him!! lol you're a nutter mate UTG
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Post by MikeS on May 2, 2016 18:58:52 GMT
It's not easy finding a player who can score you 20+ goals. We've got the money now so I really hope that we offer enough to keep Taylor. If we're promoted then I think he'll stay. A good season in League 1 will surely get him premiership interest. As things stand I'd be surprised if the interest is any higher than Championship.
I think that a season with Rovers in league 1 is probably best in the long run for his career. Hope we pay him enough to make him realise that!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 23:12:58 GMT
I would if there was a better offer for me and my family. If I was able to play at a level and my team were below that, why not? If I can double, treble my salary, why not? That's the way football works nowadays and although you think Lee Brown is uber loyal, the truth is more likely money related. seriously it is madness. Bristol Rovers problem time & time again is that we get great players and end up losing them & end up with nothing in return. Now, when one actually does stay, even despite relegation to non-league, you are knocking him!! lol you're a nutter mate UTG Ok. I make no apologies for previous players that have done the obvious. We don't know LBs terms. Your gas blindness means I'm a nutter....That's fine. One day you'll wake up. Il be there next week in Coles car park if you want to chops off.
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Post by Okebournegas on May 3, 2016 0:08:55 GMT
seriously it is madness. Bristol Rovers problem time & time again is that we get great players and end up losing them & end up with nothing in return. Now, when one actually does stay, even despite relegation to non-league, you are knocking him!! lol you're a nutter mate UTG Ok. I make no apologies for previous players that have done the obvious. We don't know LBs terms. Your gas blindness means I'm a nutter....That's fine. One day you'll wake up. Il be there next week in Coles car park if you want to chops off. [br Pillow fight or scissors paper stone !
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Post by gregsy on May 3, 2016 0:28:05 GMT
Ok. I make no apologies for previous players that have done the obvious. We don't know LBs terms. Your gas blindness means I'm a nutter....That's fine. One day you'll wake up. Il be there next week in Coles car park if you want to chops off. [br Pillow fight or scissors paper stone ! you obviously don't know 79....
he'll be in the car park with connect 4 set up on a solid oak table, and will refuse to play anyone who isn't wearing a tuxedo....
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Post by therovers on May 3, 2016 5:40:38 GMT
seriously it is madness. Bristol Rovers problem time & time again is that we get great players and end up losing them & end up with nothing in return. Now, when one actually does stay, even despite relegation to non-league, you are knocking him!! lol you're a nutter mate UTG Ok. I make no apologies for previous players that have done the obvious. We don't know LBs terms. Your gas blindness means I'm a nutter....That's fine. One day you'll wake up. Il be there next week in Coles car park if you want to chops off. well you're one big bundle of joy aren't you! Thanks to you I've had my big awakening. Turns out my hero Lee Brown shouldn't be at all. He only stayed with us because the League 2 Clubs didn't offer enough money You're like the child in school who just before we leave for the xmas holiday, spitefully announces ''Santa Claus is dead!''. Thanks a lot '79!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 6:46:21 GMT
Ok. I make no apologies for previous players that have done the obvious. We don't know LBs terms. Your gas blindness means I'm a nutter....That's fine. One day you'll wake up. Il be there next week in Coles car park if you want to chops off. well you're one big bundle of joy aren't you! Thanks to you I've had my big awakening. Turns out my hero Lee Brown shouldn't be at all. He only stayed with us because the League 2 Clubs didn't offer enough money You're like the child in school who just before we leave for the xmas holiday, spitefully announces ''Santa Claus is dead!''. Thanks a lot '79! Hahaha. Lock the razor blades away. It's football.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 3, 2016 7:39:03 GMT
Problem is where do to draw the line with wages? If say a Championship comes in for Taylor and offers him £5k per week do we match that, then do have to pay Lockyer similar money to keep him happy, also the next decent player we fear losing? Will Gaffney be happy to play alongside a striker on possibly 5 times his own salary? Could that £5k be better spent on Taylor's replacement and two or three better players?
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Post by therovers on May 3, 2016 7:47:48 GMT
Problem is where do to draw the line with wages? If say a Championship comes in for Taylor and offers him £5k per week do we match that, then do have to pay Lockyer similar money to keep him happy, also the next decent player we fear losing? Will Gaffney be happy to play alongside a striker on possibly 5 times his own salary? Could that £5k be better spent on Taylor's replacement and two or three better players? Yes and this is a big part of my initial question... Now we have rich owners, are we in a position to match the Taylor wages offer and then say to Gaffney & Lockyer and others ''carry on doing well and showing you deserve to player higher up, then WE will give you those kind of pay rises too, then you can go up the leagues with BRISTOL ROVERS, not somebody else!''. AND then buy other better players we need also!.... I'm not assuming, I'm hoping (and wondering/speculating in this thread). Are we now, at least a lot closer, to being in that kind of position financially? UTG
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Post by MikeS on May 3, 2016 7:58:51 GMT
Problem is where do to draw the line with wages? If say a Championship comes in for Taylor and offers him £5k per week do we match that, then do have to pay Lockyer similar money to keep him happy, also the next decent player we fear losing? Will Gaffney be happy to play alongside a striker on possibly 5 times his own salary? Could that £5k be better spent on Taylor's replacement and two or three better players? Yes and this is a big part of my initial question... Now we have rich owners, are we in a position to match the Taylor wages offer and then say to Gaffney & Lockyer and others ''carry on doing well and showing you deserve to player higher up, then WE will give you those kind of pay rises too, then you can go up the leagues with BRISTOL ROVERS, not somebody else!''. AND then buy other better players we need also!.... I'm not assuming, I'm hoping (and wondering/speculating in this thread). Are we now, at least a lot closer, to being in that kind of position financially? UTG Maybe the answer is to reward players with some very generous goal/win/clean sheet/promotion bonuses. Did you see that Ranieri rewarded Leicester players with Pizza for each clean sheet!
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Post by socrates on May 3, 2016 8:09:27 GMT
Yes and this is a big part of my initial question... Now we have rich owners, are we in a position to match the Taylor wages offer and then say to Gaffney & Lockyer and others ''carry on doing well and showing you deserve to player higher up, then WE will give you those kind of pay rises too, then you can go up the leagues with BRISTOL ROVERS, not somebody else!''. AND then buy other better players we need also!.... I'm not assuming, I'm hoping (and wondering/speculating in this thread). Are we now, at least a lot closer, to being in that kind of position financially? UTG Maybe the answer is to reward players with some very generous goal/win/clean sheet/promotion bonuses. Did you see that Ranieri rewarded Leicester players with Pizza for each clean sheet! Maybe DC offers meat and potato pie for clean sheets ?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 8:22:34 GMT
Problem is where do to draw the line with wages? If say a Championship comes in for Taylor and offers him £5k per week do we match that, then do have to pay Lockyer similar money to keep him happy, also the next decent player we fear losing? Will Gaffney be happy to play alongside a striker on possibly 5 times his own salary? Could that £5k be better spent on Taylor's replacement and two or three better players? Yes and this is a big part of my initial question... Now we have rich owners, are we in a position to match the Taylor wages offer and then say to Gaffney & Lockyer and others ''carry on doing well and showing you deserve to player higher up, then WE will give you those kind of pay rises too, then you can go up the leagues with BRISTOL ROVERS, not somebody else!''. AND then buy other better players we need also!.... I'm not assuming, I'm hoping (and wondering/speculating in this thread). Are we now, at least a lot closer, to being in that kind of position financially? UTG There's your dilemma. We have got where we are without paying over the odds.(apparently) Are we to destroy that by paying the same players extra money purely to stop them moving on? From a different angle, if we bid for a Braintree player and offer him double his current salary. Wouldn't it be a bit reckless for Braintree to try and keep that player by matching our offer? We need to operate within our means imo.
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Post by therovers on May 3, 2016 8:29:07 GMT
Yes and this is a big part of my initial question... Now we have rich owners, are we in a position to match the Taylor wages offer and then say to Gaffney & Lockyer and others ''carry on doing well and showing you deserve to player higher up, then WE will give you those kind of pay rises too, then you can go up the leagues with BRISTOL ROVERS, not somebody else!''. AND then buy other better players we need also!.... I'm not assuming, I'm hoping (and wondering/speculating in this thread). Are we now, at least a lot closer, to being in that kind of position financially? UTG There's your dilemma. We have got where we are without paying over the odds.(apparently) Are we to destroy that by paying the same players extra money purely to stop them moving on? From a different angle, if we bid for a Braintree player and offer him double his current salary. Wouldn't it be a bit reckless for Braintree to try and keep that player by matching our offer? We need to operate within our means imo. yes it would be wreckless for Braintree, if they can't really afford it! Again, that's my question, can WE afford it?? Can we afford to match the wage offers a championship club might make, now?? I guess the answer is, we on the forum don't know! I'm looking forward to finding out! UTG
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 8:38:45 GMT
seriously it is madness. Bristol Rovers problem time & time again is that we get great players and end up losing them & end up with nothing in return. Now, when one actually does stay, even despite relegation to non-league, you are knocking him!! lol you're a nutter mate UTG Ok. I make no apologies for previous players that have done the obvious. We don't know LBs terms. Your gas blindness means I'm a nutter....That's fine. One day you'll wake up. Il be there next week in Coles car park if you want to chops off. I'll bring the BBQ, you bring the roll-mats.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 8:48:52 GMT
There's your dilemma. We have got where we are without paying over the odds.(apparently) Are we to destroy that by paying the same players extra money purely to stop them moving on? From a different angle, if we bid for a Braintree player and offer him double his current salary. Wouldn't it be a bit reckless for Braintree to try and keep that player by matching our offer? We need to operate within our means imo. yes it would be wreckless for Braintree, if they can't really afford it! Again, that's my question, can WE afford it?? Can we afford to match the wage offers a championship club might make, now?? I guess the answer is, we on the forum don't know! I'm looking forward to finding out! UTG No we can't neither do we want to, since we are not a championship club and don't generate the turnover that they do. That's my guess
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Post by therovers on May 3, 2016 9:05:57 GMT
yes it would be wreckless for Braintree, if they can't really afford it! Again, that's my question, can WE afford it?? Can we afford to match the wage offers a championship club might make, now?? I guess the answer is, we on the forum don't know! I'm looking forward to finding out! UTG No we can't neither do we want to, since we are not a championship club and don't generate the turnover that they do. That's my guess surely we would've wanted to match the offers for Stewart, Roberts etc and kept them though, right? I don't understand the not wanting to part... Perhaps I don't have the knowledge/understanding that others do on this. Could somebody pleass explain? This interests me greatly UTG
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