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Post by Henbury Gas on May 13, 2016 7:37:17 GMT
LOL, Hugo this morning after reading his thread. Hugo has photoshopped that picture ! He's added hair, coloured up the view, and most certainly slimmed the arse. He's also removed the steel struts needed to hold that chair up. You forgot the Gender reassignment as well
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 8:11:11 GMT
Hugo has photoshopped that picture ! He's added hair, coloured up the view, and most certainly slimmed the arse. He's also removed the steel struts needed to hold that chair up. You forgot the Gender reassignment as well I have to correct you here Henbury. Hugo is gender fluid. He hasn't been reassigned.....yet.
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Post by gasincider on May 13, 2016 8:28:46 GMT
He couldn't have got rid of DC even if he wanted too. We had NO MONEY. UWE came to us not the other way around. He said he would only sell to the right person. The day before the announcement of the takeover, he thought he had a JOINT VENTURE with the Al-Qadi family. The other major shareholders were asked if they would back a takeover. They got the go ahead, and NH was told it was a takeover or bust. Literally. He had no choice but to accept. He had no way of clearing the debts. That is why NH looked so shell shocked at the announcement. Wasn't NH the majority shareholder? You imply that he was forced to sell, yet surely, if you have 51% it doesn't matter what happens to the other 49%, you'll still be in charge? You are right. But if you hold less than 75% in a takeover it can cause all sorts of problems ongoing. As soon as they were sure of getting to the 90% level if they got NH's shares they went for it. They knew only too well that they couldn't possibly pump money in with NH at th helm. He was forced to sell because he had nowhere to go. If we had gone into admin, he would have lost everything he had put in, never mind the minor issue of us losing our club.
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Post by stevek192 on May 13, 2016 8:39:39 GMT
Surely the fact that Nick Higgs kept our club going as long as he did is worth some praise and not ridicule. It is easy to blame him for failure but to offer no praise for success or the very fact we are still in existence is a joke. To be fair fate plays the biggest part in anybodys success or failure. Had the Sainsbury deal gone through quickly people may now be looking on NHs tenure as successful. To blame him for selecting bad Managers is easy in hindsight but John Ward, Buckle, McGhee, Ray Graydon were all looked upon as good appointments however fate struck us with all of them. I really feel that now we have been taken over the time has come to close the book on Mr Higgs tenure as one in which he did the best he could.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 13, 2016 9:00:34 GMT
Surely the fact that Nick Higgs kept our club going as long as he did is worth some praise and not ridicule. It is easy to blame him for failure but to offer no praise for success or the very fact we are still in existence is a joke. To be fair fate plays the biggest part in anybodys success or failure. Had the Sainsbury deal gone through quickly people may now be looking on NHs tenure as successful. To blame him for selecting bad Managers is easy in hindsight but John Ward, Buckle, McGhee, Ray Graydon were all looked upon as good appointments however fate struck us with all of them. I really feel that now we have been taken over the time has come to close the book on Mr Higgs tenure as one in which he did the best he could. Will be interesting to see what reaction we get on here when the family make their 1st mistake....
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Post by tinner on May 13, 2016 9:01:24 GMT
Amazing how bitter some people can be on here....no doubt the same types that were slagging DC off for only getting a draw at Stevenage!! To be clear, NH made mistakes, but given that the UWE, as it stands, was our only reall hope of a future, then he rightly went for it, then as we know was stiched up by the NIMBY's which then bought time for Sainsbury's to scupper the deal. During this period, against the wishes of many he retained DC, and provided him the support to mount two sucessful promotion campaigns. For a number of years NH has said that he was only prepared to sell to the right person, given that everyone are singing the praises of the new owners, then it would suggest he has very much delivered on this promise. And if / when we move into the UWE, then further praise must go to NH for brokering the initial deal. So in short I believe NH deserves some credit, and if nothing else some respect as a fellow fan, who always had Rovers best interests at heart. I can't recall anybody slagging DC off, just questioning his line up in a game that we had to win to keep our fate in our own hands. People expressed their disappointment, nothing else. The same happened last season remember so of course people are going to ask questions. I hardly think winning back-to-back promotions with virtually the last kick of both games is down to subtle planning, and I think he'd be the first to admit that luck was on our side, but team spirit and togetherness will help you ride your luck. Acci hit the bar three times don't forget. I hope we don't wait until the fat lady almost sings next season because my ticker won't stand it.
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Post by tinner on May 13, 2016 9:10:23 GMT
Why would people ask questions, he is our most successful manager ever!! and yet some people can't wait for a situation where they can have a real dig. Fortunately, they were all made to look stupid when that point ensured we gained auto promotion. Those same people will be out in force if we start badly next season, questionning DC's capability etc.
With regards to our 'lucky' promotions, I assume you also apply the same logic to our relegation season, and believe we were just massively unlucky??
Personally, I would love another season like the last two, having had some of my best moments ever as a Rovers supporter.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:13:59 GMT
More importantly, blueside, who's your avater? Please. shes cost me a few bog rolls,been looking for her at the mem all season Arsenal ladies defender Anouk Hoogendijk
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:15:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:15:29 GMT
Nick certainly was special, bless him.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 13, 2016 9:53:06 GMT
Surely the fact that Nick Higgs kept our club going as long as he did is worth some praise and not ridicule. It is easy to blame him for failure but to offer no praise for success or the very fact we are still in existence is a joke. To be fair fate plays the biggest part in anybodys success or failure. Had the Sainsbury deal gone through quickly people may now be looking on NHs tenure as successful. To blame him for selecting bad Managers is easy in hindsight but John Ward, Buckle, McGhee, Ray Graydon were all looked upon as good appointments however fate struck us with all of them. I really feel that now we have been taken over the time has come to close the book on Mr Higgs tenure as one in which he did the best he could. Will be interesting to see what reaction we get on here when the family make their 1st mistake.... Playing devil's advocate.... What has actually been done so far that wouldn't/couldn't have been done under NH?
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Post by Blueside on May 13, 2016 9:57:12 GMT
shes cost me a few bog rolls,been looking for her at the mem all season Arsenal ladies defender Anouk Hoogendijk You beat me to it. She is a Dutch international who played for Bristol Academy for a season. She's back in the Netherlands now (not that i stalk her, or anything like that!) <<<<<<<<<<<<-------- oooh look, there she is again!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:05:44 GMT
Will be interesting to see what reaction we get on here when the family make their 1st mistake.... Playing devil's advocate.... What has actually been done so far that wouldn't/couldn't have been done under NH? Cleared the Wonga loan in full.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 13, 2016 10:40:07 GMT
Playing devil's advocate.... What has actually been done so far that wouldn't/couldn't have been done under NH? Cleared the Wonga loan in full. transferred the debt
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Post by Topper Gas on May 13, 2016 10:45:07 GMT
KS ban was lifed?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:48:23 GMT
New scoreboard.
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Post by CheshireGas on May 13, 2016 10:55:57 GMT
Cleared the Wonga loan in full. transferred the debt Secured the clubs future. Engaged with the fans. Listened to concerns and responded Brought in a feel good feeling ~ even when we were winning there were still concerns about the future. Installed ladies toilets. Brought in experienced people who are equipped and able to build a new stadium. Had a plan B to cope with playoffs/not getting promotion. The one good thing about NH is that he didn't sack DC even when some fans were baying for blood. That at least I will be thankful for. With regard to people saying that NH kept UWE on side and interested. The new management have stated that they are still in negotiations and that things have come to light which were not known about. That is quite strange as they would have done their due diligence and should have had access to all documentation. And that is a concern. Was that NH/TW's fault. That would be interesting to know. Anyway we are in Division One next season and that is something to be thankful for!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 13, 2016 11:56:23 GMT
NH could have done that. In fact he should have.
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Post by puregas on May 13, 2016 12:45:51 GMT
Hugo, you ask,
'What has actually been done so far that wouldn't/couldn't have been done under NH?'
- Pretty much secured the building of the UWE - Paid off our debts - Stabilised the club to stop a steady slide into almost certain administration - Gave DC confidence, backing, and promise of funds to spend - Safeguarded the future of the players - Employed professional specialists in several areas - Gained promotion - Rewarded the players with a trip to Vegas - Gave the stadium staff some much needed job security - Instilled such a feelgood factor in the whole club, that not only was promotion a possibility and then a definite, but tickets for away games, beam backs, and the final home games, became as hard to come by as rocking horse sh**.
Wael took over a League 2 club and his plans were based on that, so you could say he's one year on without having spent any money yet, but without all those things listed above, in my opinion, we wouldn't be in League One now.
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Post by slam on May 13, 2016 12:54:29 GMT
NH agreed to making funds available to secure the transfer of Gaffney at a time when the club didn't seem to have two pennies to rub together.
My other point doesn't really relate to NH personally but rather to the ownership and development of lower league clubs in general. Someone on here posted the average salaries of players in the 4 different divisions. The gulf between each division was huge. I also looked at the external financing of football clubs from the distribution rights from TV. Again the gulf between each division is massive, and getting even bigger next year.
A fact that surprised me also was that there was no specific financial prize awarded to the winners or promotees of either league 1 or league 2. In fact, from a promotion point of view it is more lucrative to be promoted via the playoffs because of the additional tv money and a share of the additional gate receipts.
I cannot see a possible way in which clubs that are owned by supporters trusts or indeed local, parochial owners can ever hope to compete all the way to the top. Without being personal about him, I do not think we would ever be able to compete any higher than L1 under NH. I believe that the new owners might make that further progression easier.
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