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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 14, 2016 20:27:39 GMT
1/6 favourite to be new Cardiff manager (currently assistant).
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Post by socrates on May 14, 2016 20:29:40 GMT
Good luck to him.
If he got Lennie in to advise I wouldn't bet against them winning promotion next season.
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Post by aghast on May 14, 2016 20:36:37 GMT
Best of luck to him. I hope, if he gets it, it goes well. He's been out of management for a long time but has done well as a coach.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 21:21:01 GMT
Good luck to the bloke. He is going to need plenty of it. If he gets the job I'll give him till Christmas.
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Post by oldgas on May 15, 2016 6:59:29 GMT
I am afraid it would be a. Complete disaster if Mogadon got the Cardiff or any other managerial post. He seems to make an OK coach or assistant , just as long as there's a main man making the decisions.
He was only successful when LL was in the background telling him what to do. He ultimately wanted Lawrence out so he could run the show, and once that happened we went through a slow decline. Do you think Lawrence would have allowed Brilliant, Disley to leave, or not replace Lambert when he left?
People have said on here in hat if Mogadn had stayed we would have stayed up. Why? He'd taken us to a relegation position and had clearly run out of ideas. What did for us and hat season was the appointment of Penny. That really was a Higgs master stroke. I could'nt believe it when he was appoint d, he had been a disaster at Oldham and the culmination f to hat was a fight he'd had with his players at he races! THey bought that divisive influence into a dressing room full of player power and lasted a couple of months. We all know hat happened next, with that disloyal Captain Fantastic destroying the club from within.
God, when I remember the club in that era it makes me shudder!
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Post by gasheadbatesy on May 15, 2016 7:24:51 GMT
Trolls more than steadied the ship after the dross of Graydon and Atkins.
I thought we were just below mid table when he was sacked.
Trolls finished every season higher up than the last.
Very harshly treated by this club in my eyes.
Best of luck trolls.
The next Wales manager I hope.
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Post by oldgas on May 15, 2016 7:49:53 GMT
Trolls more than steadied the ship after the dross of Graydon and Atkins. I thought we were just below mid table when he was sacked. Trolls finished every season higher up than the last. Very harshly treated by this club in my eyes. Best of luck trolls. The next Wales manager I hope. And if you substitute Trolls for Lawrence throughout your passage you get the true picture. all about opinions though. |
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Post by oldgas on May 15, 2016 8:45:56 GMT
Just looked up Trollope on Wiki. The season when Lawrence was sacked we finished lower than the previous season, then Trollope was sacked the following season with the club in a relegation position.
So as soon as Lawrence left the teams performances worsened, to the point where, in his first season in sole charge we found ourselves in the relegation zone by December. If I remember correctly, we were also taking some right stuffings, didn't we lose 4 or 5 nil at Orient?
Anyway, I think the evidence suggests that as soon as Lawrence left the club under Trollope went into decline. You can't argue against that. As for being unfairly treated, why? No one complained when Graydon, Atkins, Buckle, McGhee etc were sacked, did they?
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 15, 2016 9:02:56 GMT
Trolls more than steadied the ship after the dross of Graydon and Atkins. I thought we were just below mid table when he was sacked. Trolls finished every season higher up than the last. Very harshly treated by this club in my eyes. Best of luck trolls. The next Wales manager I hope. You'd be wrong we'd dropped into the bottom 4 following a 6-2 drubbing at Sheff Wed(?). What probably sealed his fate was when asked after the match if Rovers were in a relegation fight he said no and everything was fine. Working in Cardiff and intensely disliking Cardiff City I so hope he gets the job. One of NHS biggest mistakes was not showing him the door along lennie Lawrence |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 15, 2016 9:29:50 GMT
Trolls more than steadied the ship after the dross of Graydon and Atkins. I thought we were just below mid table when he was sacked. Trolls finished every season higher up than the last. Very harshly treated by this club in my eyes. Best of luck trolls. The next Wales manager I hope. You'd be wrong we'd dropped into the bottom 4 following a 6-2 drubbing at Sheff Wed(?). What probably sealed his fate was when asked after the match if Rovers were in a relegation fight he said no and everything was fine. Working in Cardiff and intensely disliking Cardiff City I so hope he gets the job. One of NHS biggest mistakes was not showing him the door along lennie Lawrence When did PT work for the NHS?  Perhaps the biggest mistake was letting LL go as he was hardly been a failure since he left, I know we all felt he did little to assist PT at the time but clearly he must have been doing something right. |
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Post by oldgas on May 15, 2016 10:40:58 GMT
At last, a voice of reason in the "How great was Mogadon Trollope" thread. How I remember listening to his droning, boring analysis on RB as I returned home from the match. His endless catch phrases like "We showed good energy, could have looked after the ball better, looked good since xxxx has been in the building...." My God that man was boring.
Also, I felt he treated the fans as idiots, he never admitted he got anything wrong, and after his praise to the rooftops after another boring, aimless performance, I honestly used to wonder if I had been at a different match.
Compare that to the fast, incisive stuff served in the main by DC's teams and I can't believe how lucky we are.
Rejoice people. We have a manager who knows what he is doing and owners who can actually afford to own and progress a football club. We have also got the Sh1!heads worried and talking about us all the time, probably even in their sleep ( in between regular bouts of incestuous relations with their sisters, mothers aunties etc)!
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Post by eastongas on May 15, 2016 12:03:09 GMT
Brilliant coach but a terrible terrible manager.
Cardiff will be closer to relegation than promotion next year if he gets the job.
Cardiff fans I know aren't happy with it!
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Post by lpgas on May 15, 2016 12:07:50 GMT
I am afraid it would be a. Complete disaster if Mogadon got the Cardiff or any other managerial post. He seems to make an OK coach or assistant , just as long as there's a main man making the decisions. He was only successful when LL was in the background telling him what to do. He ultimately wanted Lawrence out so he could run the show, and once that happened we went through a slow decline. Do you think Lawrence would have allowed Brilliant, Disley to leave, or not replace Lambert when he left? People have said on here in hat if Mogadn had stayed we would have stayed up. Why? He'd taken us to a relegation position and had clearly run out of ideas. What did for us and hat season was the appointment of Penny. That really was a Higgs master stroke. I could'nt believe it when he was appoint d, he had been a disaster at Oldham and the culmination f to hat was a fight he'd had with his players at he races! THey bought that divisive influence into a dressing room full of player power and lasted a couple of months. We all know hat happened next, with that disloyal Captain Fantastic destroying the club from within. God, when I remember the club in that era it makes me shudder! that is just your view. Personally NO ONE can say what would have happened if Trollope had not been sacked. As for Penney actually he was a waste of time. Apart from Doncaster what else did he do? I would have given the job to Cambell and Hinton earlier, and even if we went down they would have taken us up without going through all that sh** with Big Bollox Buckle (How has his career turned out!) Anyone who has any knowledge of football knows you cannot get rid of an entire team, import a load of has beens and mercenaries and expect to win anything. The fact that Higgs then went on to employ a long list of no hopers as manager goes to suggest he knew little about how to run a club. Higgs was just lucky with DC. Lots of people (on here) wanted him sacked. Why did Rovers keep him? They didn't want to pay off his contract, and that was it. |
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Post by oldgas on May 15, 2016 12:37:23 GMT
Yes, it is my view, but it is supported by the evidence.
You seem to be saying that if he hadn't been sacked we may not have gone down. Using that logic, if that tatty mongrel hadn't stopped to sniff then pee up the lamp post he would have won the Greyhoud Derby.
You can therefore attach the same rationale to the Penny situation. If Higgs had shown some b@lls and sorted out the players, Penny would have saved us. No-one will ever know.
People seem unreasonably keen to big up Mogadon. The facts do not support the argument, he was a failure propped up by Lawrence, just as surely as Ward was propped up by Dennis Booth. When he left the team slowly went downhill. Again, this is a fact. It's as surely as Ward got promotion for the sh1t with another managers team. He was completely out of his depth in the next league up.
If it had been Lawrence as manager with Mogadon as coach we would have all been singing LL's praises. If Mogadon had then been sacked instead the team would not have declined.
For the record I had noted DC's performance as Salisbury manager and was impressed. I was delighted when he was appointed assistant, and amazed when he was given the job with 8 games to go. Madness! I was so relieved when he was allowed to stay, I was sure he would get us going again.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 13:09:54 GMT
Brilliant coach but a terrible terrible manager. Cardiff will be closer to relegation than promotion next year if he gets the job. Cardiff fans I know aren't happy with it! Brilliant coach? Ask the players who he managed and coached. People may then realise why his team's were so unfit for the cause. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 13:13:02 GMT
Trollope's problem was dismantling the group on which our success had been built, and failing to replace it. This is where I hope DC will get it right, adding to the group rather than getting rid of it.
From the start of 2009-10 to the start of 2010-11 we got rid of/lost:
Lennie Lawrence
Rickie Lambert
Steve Phillips
Craig Disley
Steve Elliott
Lewis Haldane
Aaron Lescott
Andy Williams
David Pipe
Some of those were more in our hands than others (obviously Lambert and Pipe couldn't be kept for example), and some were more of a loss than others. The point is that a lot of these players formed the successful 2006/07/08 group, and were all sold/released in 10 months or so.
This wasn't so much of a problem when we had the likes of Heffernan and Jones to help fill the gap, but PT's recruitment when working alone was effing dreadful. Mark Wright, Gary Sawyer, James Tunnicliffe, Luke Daniels, Carl Regan, Chris Dickson... the list goes on.
Good luck to him at Cardiff, but thank god we've finally recovered from that 12 month spell. Only took 4 or 5 years.
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Post by LJG on May 15, 2016 13:22:36 GMT
I am afraid it would be a. Complete disaster if Mogadon got the Cardiff or any other managerial post. He seems to make an OK coach or assistant , just as long as there's a main man making the decisions. He was only successful when LL was in the background telling him what to do. He ultimately wanted Lawrence out so he could run the show, and once that happened we went through a slow decline. Do you think Lawrence would have allowed Brilliant, Disley to leave, or not replace Lambert when he left? People have said on here in hat if Mogadn had stayed we would have stayed up. Why? He'd taken us to a relegation position and had clearly run out of ideas. What did for us and hat season was the appointment of Penny. That really was a Higgs master stroke. I could'nt believe it when he was appoint d, he had been a disaster at Oldham and the culmination f to hat was a fight he'd had with his players at he races! THey bought that divisive influence into a dressing room full of player power and lasted a couple of months. We all know hat happened next, with that disloyal Captain Fantastic destroying the club from within. God, when I remember the club in that era it makes me shudder! What on earth does mogadon mean? |
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Post by baggins on May 15, 2016 13:26:25 GMT
I am afraid it would be a. Complete disaster if Mogadon got the Cardiff or any other managerial post. He seems to make an OK coach or assistant , just as long as there's a main man making the decisions. He was only successful when LL was in the background telling him what to do. He ultimately wanted Lawrence out so he could run the show, and once that happened we went through a slow decline. Do you think Lawrence would have allowed Brilliant, Disley to leave, or not replace Lambert when he left? People have said on here in hat if Mogadn had stayed we would have stayed up. Why? He'd taken us to a relegation position and had clearly run out of ideas. What did for us and hat season was the appointment of Penny. That really was a Higgs master stroke. I could'nt believe it when he was appoint d, he had been a disaster at Oldham and the culmination f to hat was a fight he'd had with his players at he races! THey bought that divisive influence into a dressing room full of player power and lasted a couple of months. We all know hat happened next, with that disloyal Captain Fantastic destroying the club from within. God, when I remember the club in that era it makes me shudder! What on earth does mogadon mean? That's a secret. |
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Post by aghast on May 15, 2016 14:10:39 GMT
I am afraid it would be a. Complete disaster if Mogadon got the Cardiff or any other managerial post. He seems to make an OK coach or assistant , just as long as there's a main man making the decisions. He was only successful when LL was in the background telling him what to do. He ultimately wanted Lawrence out so he could run the show, and once that happened we went through a slow decline. Do you think Lawrence would have allowed Brilliant, Disley to leave, or not replace Lambert when he left? People have said on here in hat if Mogadn had stayed we would have stayed up. Why? He'd taken us to a relegation position and had clearly run out of ideas. What did for us and hat season was the appointment of Penny. That really was a Higgs master stroke. I could'nt believe it when he was appoint d, he had been a disaster at Oldham and the culmination f to hat was a fight he'd had with his players at he races! THey bought that divisive influence into a dressing room full of player power and lasted a couple of months. We all know hat happened next, with that disloyal Captain Fantastic destroying the club from within. God, when I remember the club in that era it makes me shudder! What on earth does mogadon mean? It means he's got some strange vendetta against one of our recent managers who actually achieved a bit of success. |
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2016 14:30:14 GMT
Things may have turned sour at the end under Trolls, and I wasn't necessarily devastated to see him go, but I personally would've given him more time (tin hat on as I understand some peoples feelings on this differ extremely!)
However, I cannot see how anyone can have such a huge hatred of him, when he was a key component in bringing us some success after so many years of utter dross.
Some forget that despite us under-performing in the months leading up to his departure, we were still in a higher division than before he took charge.
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