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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2016 18:27:50 GMT
I’m sure there is more than enough government money out there to deal with real mental health issues but we live in a nanny state where everything is someone else’s fault and clog the systems up dealing with depression, stress & anxieties. Try living or visiting less developed countries where the people have a lot of real reasons to be depressed, stressed or suffer anxieties but there they are all diagnosed as ‘life’ and people get on with it. Here in the soft, pc, nanny state, westernised world we couldn’t possibly just get on with life. You can add to my gripes above the NHS offering most IVF treatments and f**king tattoo removals. In short both the health service & welfare system is overloaded by malingerers & frauds which just stops resources being directed to those that really do need them. Sometimes "just getting on with life" can be a bridge too far, and ending your life becomes the preferred option. I've never encountered mass suicide in less developed countries, so yes just getting on with life can happen.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 16, 2016 18:28:25 GMT
I really hope that I am totally misinterpreting what you have said in regards to people with anxiety, stress and depression when you say "getting on with it". Can you explain what you mean by this? Don't think you have no. Very simple where people are willing to hold your hand & tell you everything is ok then people will play up to it. As I said in less developed countries, you know ones with real problems like where to get money for your next meal, yep they just get on with life sometimes with a smile, sometimes without a smile. But for them there is no luxury of time if they don't help themselves no-one else will & incredibly the vast majority live without all the help offered to people here with depression, stress (oh how I laugh at that one) & anxieties. Though having said that I suspect this is one of those debates on here that your only allowed an opinion on if you agree with the crowd. You are obviously a very lucky person and have never lost anyone you know or love due to mental health issues. Very uneducated and thoughtless thing to say.
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Post by inee on Aug 16, 2016 18:29:14 GMT
I really hope that I am totally misinterpreting what you have said in regards to people with anxiety, stress and depression when you say "getting on with it". Can you explain what you mean by this? Don't think you have no. Very simple where people are willing to hold your hand & tell you everything is ok then people will play up to it. As I said in less developed countries, you know ones with real problems like where to get money for your next meal, yep they just get on with life sometimes with a smile, sometimes without a smile. But for them there is no luxury of time if they don't help themselves no-one else will & incredibly the vast majority live without all the help offered to people here with depression, stress (oh how I laugh at that one) & anxieties. Though having said that I suspect this is one of those debates on here that your only allowed an opinion on if you agree with the crowd. You don't have to agree with anyone ,however people are also entitled to respond to your posts ,like you responded. as previously said i do hope you never need or take help as im sure you will rather live on the streets and forage bins for food than ever claim benefits, if you got kids im sure you refused your child benefits, never claimed any form of tax credit or rebate. Will never go to the nhs for treatment as hey lets face it most issues are self inflicted right, lastly i hope you never suffer from depression (although in this case i think it would be beneficial if you did) .what you may not be aware of is many don't seek treatment for depression and self destruct. i will say again what has anyone living overseas got to do with anything.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2016 18:50:00 GMT
Don't think you have no. Very simple where people are willing to hold your hand & tell you everything is ok then people will play up to it. As I said in less developed countries, you know ones with real problems like where to get money for your next meal, yep they just get on with life sometimes with a smile, sometimes without a smile. But for them there is no luxury of time if they don't help themselves no-one else will & incredibly the vast majority live without all the help offered to people here with depression, stress (oh how I laugh at that one) & anxieties. Though having said that I suspect this is one of those debates on here that your only allowed an opinion on if you agree with the crowd. You don't have to agree with anyone ,however people are also entitled to respond to your posts ,like you responded. as previously said i do hope you never need or take help as im sure you will rather live on the streets and forage bins for food than ever claim benefits, if you got kids im sure you refused your child benefits, never claimed any form of tax credit or rebate. Will never go to the nhs for treatment as hey lets face it most issues are self inflicted right, lastly i hope you never suffer from depression (although in this case i think it would be beneficial if you did) .what you may not be aware of is many don't seek treatment for depression and self destruct. i will say again what has anyone living overseas got to do with anything. What a sad, sorry individual with such disparaging views of people living abroad, with or without mental illness (& you could choose any definition of that). Still you just worry about people surviving under a sophisticated welfare state whilst others literally scrape together a living but they're out of site out of mind.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2016 18:51:23 GMT
PS to bring the thread back on subject it would've been obvious to anyone who had seen the girl that drink or quite possibly drugs were her over-riding problem that day.
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Post by inee on Aug 16, 2016 18:51:51 GMT
So prey tell what is a real mental health issue, have you ever suffered from depression or stress , and i don't mean feeling a bit off for a day or 2 i mean real depression, whilst we are at it should we also not treat fat people, smokers, people who have breathing problems because they worked in a dangerous occupation in the past. To be brutally honest i don't give a flying f**k about other countries or developing countries , that have been f**ked up over the years by idiots who think they care and send money willy nilly, thinking it helps but all it does is f**k those countries up even more. Why shouldn't people be offered ivf if needed, i agree about things like tattoo removal you want it removed you sort it out. Ah so every single person who claims benefit is a malingerer and fraud, as you seem more concerned with people abroad, maybe we should not allow any into this country, not allow them access to health care ,not allow them any form of benefit,as lets be totally brutal and honest here, if anyone comes from a developing country to the uk, they will by your post become members of the soft westernised,pc,nanny state. i do hope you never find yourself unemployed or ill or needing help from the dss as im sure such a proud upstanding person such as yourself will refuse all help Obviously you chose not to read the bit I highlighted before launching into an ideological rant, though I'm not sure if it's a left wing or right wing ideology you're spouting. Though the bit you said that I highlighted is spot on, easily seen if spending time in the countries it is directed to. thing is we could disagree forever ,but do you actually know anyone who suffers from depression or other illnesses, i really would love to be able to trade a few days with you so you could feel the self loathing and uselessness i feel, so you could feel the actual relief i feel when i cut myself ,would you also like to feel the utter disgust and hatred i feel for myself that i have held onto for over 40 years,just because some fecking poof decided that i wanted it as a child, would you also like to understand what it feels like to lock yourself away and swallow a whole months worth of medication because in the mind there is no other way to escape the pin that you have, only then to throw up and recover, the feeling that you are so f**kin useless you cant even kill yourself ,followed by the guilt when you realise how other would feel if you achieved it, then the feelings when all logic goes out of the window and you try again. The feeling of relief that comes when your punching or headbutting a wall till you so exhausted you can't carry on, the absolute joy you feel when you manage to do something constructive, only to be followed by such a down for a few days that you wish you would have an heart attack and die as it would be a nice way out Those feeling of utter contempt for yourself when you cant get a job after having worked continually from when you left school till your nearly 50, yes i have been hungry and haven't had food for days on end ,and to be honest i would rather be in that situation then the one i find myself in. The real problem is when someone brain decides to fry itself there nothing that can be done until it decides to behave long enough to allow itself to be repaired, the bigger problem is when you understand what your brain is doing you know that logically you can get better ,but no matter how hard you try the brain just will not allow it, even worse is when you think you are there so you try to do the things you used to do easily only to find that in reality you are still not quite there. Having to try your hardest to be sociable to those you love when all you want to do is lock yourself away and be on your own, the disgust with yourself as you feel too weak to be able to look after your wife or even give her a cuddle as you genuinely believe you are a worthless weak sh** cun t , who should neve rhave been born but hey ho it's not caused by any form of brain damage it obviously made up because im nannied by the state
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Post by inee on Aug 16, 2016 18:53:36 GMT
PS to bring the thread back on subject it would've been obvious to anyone who had seen the girl that drink or quite possibly drugs were her over-riding problem that day. if you expand a post on one of the first couple of pages a pic from a facebook post , actually says that the guy dropped what looked like a bag of coke
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2016 19:02:49 GMT
Obviously you chose not to read the bit I highlighted before launching into an ideological rant, though I'm not sure if it's a left wing or right wing ideology you're spouting. Though the bit you said that I highlighted is spot on, easily seen if spending time in the countries it is directed to. thing is we could disagree forever ,but do you actually know anyone who suffers from depression or other illnesses, i really would love to be able to trade a few days with you so you could feel the self loathing and uselessness i feel, so you could feel the actual relief i feel when i cut myself ,would you also like to feel the utter disgust and hatred i feel for myself that i have held onto for over 40 years,just because some fecking poof decided that i wanted it as a child, would you also like to understand what it feels like to lock yourself away and swallow a whole months worth of medication because in the mind there is no other way to escape the pin that you have, only then to throw up and recover, the feeling that you are so f**kin useless you cant even kill yourself ,followed by the guilt when you realise how other would feel if you achieved it, then the feelings when all logic goes out of the window and you try again. The feeling of relief that comes when your punching or headbutting a wall till you so exhausted you can't carry on, the absolute joy you feel when you manage to do something constructive, only to be followed by such a down for a few days that you wish you would have an heart attack and die as it would be a nice way out Those feeling of utter contempt for yourself when you cant get a job after having worked continually from when you left school till your nearly 50, yes i have been hungry and haven't had food for days on end ,and to be honest i would rather be in that situation then the one i find myself in. The real problem is when someone brain decides to fry itself there nothing that can be done until it decides to behave long enough to allow itself to be repaired, the bigger problem is when you understand what your brain is doing you know that logically you can get better ,but no matter how hard you try the brain just will not allow it, even worse is when you think you are there so you try to do the things you used to do easily only to find that in reality you are still not quite there. Having to try your hardest to be sociable to those you love when all you want to do is lock yourself away and be on your own, the disgust with yourself as you feel too weak to be able to look after your wife or even give her a cuddle as you genuinely believe you are a worthless weak sh** cun t , who should neve rhave been born but hey ho it's not caused by any form of brain damage it obviously made up because im nannied by the state Your choice to share that in public, & I truly hope in some way it is therapeutic for you, but I won't be sharing my experiences on here. And equally your experience doesn't mean that is the case for everyone. But what I truly find astonishing is that if you've been through all that, & I'm not questioning any of it, that you are so dismissive of others just because they don't happen to live in the UK. I can only speak in general terms but I've seen far, far more suffering in less developed countries than I'll ever witness in a lifetime living in the UK.
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Post by inee on Aug 16, 2016 19:07:07 GMT
You don't have to agree with anyone ,however people are also entitled to respond to your posts ,like you responded. as previously said i do hope you never need or take help as im sure you will rather live on the streets and forage bins for food than ever claim benefits, if you got kids im sure you refused your child benefits, never claimed any form of tax credit or rebate. Will never go to the nhs for treatment as hey lets face it most issues are self inflicted right, lastly i hope you never suffer from depression (although in this case i think it would be beneficial if you did) .what you may not be aware of is many don't seek treatment for depression and self destruct. i will say again what has anyone living overseas got to do with anything. What a sad, sorry individual with such disparaging views of people living abroad, with or without mental illness (& you could choose any definition of that). Still you just worry about people surviving under a sophisticated welfare state whilst others literally scrape together a living but they're out of site out of mind. Not sad or sorry i just have absolutely no feeling for anyone from any other country, I could say much the same thing about you as why can't people realise that in a lot of countries they live the way they do due to their environment and customs, in some countries people don't need to be academically educated, they just need the education to survive passed from generation to generation ,you may think my comments are brutal and uncaring,but who and by what right do we have to view the way the live by our western standards to be wrong, as i have said if people just look at what they do by going over there and interfering in those traditional ways of life, all the so called aid workers actually achieve is to create suffering, by that i mean people donate do this and that, the population grows then all of a sudden that country is in an even bigger mess than before as more starve and more die and suffer. No i don't think i'm evil, i just look at the reality of living in those areas, people have been living in those areas passing on traditions since before western civilization existed and getting by, the real evil is judging those people by our own corrupt western values and even worse trying to impose those values on those people
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Post by inee on Aug 16, 2016 19:16:16 GMT
thing is we could disagree forever ,but do you actually know anyone who suffers from depression or other illnesses, i really would love to be able to trade a few days with you so you could feel the self loathing and uselessness i feel, so you could feel the actual relief i feel when i cut myself ,would you also like to feel the utter disgust and hatred i feel for myself that i have held onto for over 40 years,just because some fecking poof decided that i wanted it as a child, would you also like to understand what it feels like to lock yourself away and swallow a whole months worth of medication because in the mind there is no other way to escape the pin that you have, only then to throw up and recover, the feeling that you are so f**kin useless you cant even kill yourself ,followed by the guilt when you realise how other would feel if you achieved it, then the feelings when all logic goes out of the window and you try again. The feeling of relief that comes when your punching or headbutting a wall till you so exhausted you can't carry on, the absolute joy you feel when you manage to do something constructive, only to be followed by such a down for a few days that you wish you would have an heart attack and die as it would be a nice way out Those feeling of utter contempt for yourself when you cant get a job after having worked continually from when you left school till your nearly 50, yes i have been hungry and haven't had food for days on end ,and to be honest i would rather be in that situation then the one i find myself in. The real problem is when someone brain decides to fry itself there nothing that can be done until it decides to behave long enough to allow itself to be repaired, the bigger problem is when you understand what your brain is doing you know that logically you can get better ,but no matter how hard you try the brain just will not allow it, even worse is when you think you are there so you try to do the things you used to do easily only to find that in reality you are still not quite there. Having to try your hardest to be sociable to those you love when all you want to do is lock yourself away and be on your own, the disgust with yourself as you feel too weak to be able to look after your wife or even give her a cuddle as you genuinely believe you are a worthless weak sh** cun t , who should neve rhave been born but hey ho it's not caused by any form of brain damage it obviously made up because im nannied by the state Your choice to share that in public, & I truly hope in some way it is therapeutic for you, but I won't be sharing my experiences on here. And equally your experience doesn't mean that is the case for everyone. But what I truly find astonishing is that if you've been through all that, & I'm not questioning any of it, that you are so dismissive of others just because they don't happen to live in the UK. I can only speak in general terms but I've seen far, far more suffering in less developed countries than I'll ever witness in a lifetime living in the UK. I choose to share for one simple reason if someone reads my posts and then actually seeks help, even just speaking to a stranger, samaritans etc, or my post strike a cord with someone who sees things in other and helps them , then my posts have been worth it as it's far easier to climb out of a hole the earlier you admit to yourself you need help. I'm a simple person and i always tell it like it is and i have many many times said there is no simple cure for any mental issues as everyone suffers differently and everyone needs to be helped in differing ways for years i just brushed it all aside until i just snapped , i just realise now that i should have got help a long time ago,
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 16, 2016 19:20:34 GMT
thing is we could disagree forever ,but do you actually know anyone who suffers from depression or other illnesses, i really would love to be able to trade a few days with you so you could feel the self loathing and uselessness i feel, so you could feel the actual relief i feel when i cut myself ,would you also like to feel the utter disgust and hatred i feel for myself that i have held onto for over 40 years,just because some fecking poof decided that i wanted it as a child, would you also like to understand what it feels like to lock yourself away and swallow a whole months worth of medication because in the mind there is no other way to escape the pin that you have, only then to throw up and recover, the feeling that you are so f**kin useless you cant even kill yourself ,followed by the guilt when you realise how other would feel if you achieved it, then the feelings when all logic goes out of the window and you try again. The feeling of relief that comes when your punching or headbutting a wall till you so exhausted you can't carry on, the absolute joy you feel when you manage to do something constructive, only to be followed by such a down for a few days that you wish you would have an heart attack and die as it would be a nice way out Those feeling of utter contempt for yourself when you cant get a job after having worked continually from when you left school till your nearly 50, yes i have been hungry and haven't had food for days on end ,and to be honest i would rather be in that situation then the one i find myself in. The real problem is when someone brain decides to fry itself there nothing that can be done until it decides to behave long enough to allow itself to be repaired, the bigger problem is when you understand what your brain is doing you know that logically you can get better ,but no matter how hard you try the brain just will not allow it, even worse is when you think you are there so you try to do the things you used to do easily only to find that in reality you are still not quite there. Having to try your hardest to be sociable to those you love when all you want to do is lock yourself away and be on your own, the disgust with yourself as you feel too weak to be able to look after your wife or even give her a cuddle as you genuinely believe you are a worthless weak sh** cun t , who should neve rhave been born but hey ho it's not caused by any form of brain damage it obviously made up because im nannied by the state Your choice to share that in public, & I truly hope in some way it is therapeutic for you, but I won't be sharing my experiences on here. And equally your experience doesn't mean that is the case for everyone. But what I truly find astonishing is that if you've been through all that, & I'm not questioning any of it, that you are so dismissive of others just because they don't happen to live in the UK. I can only speak in general terms but I've seen far, far more suffering in less developed countries than I'll ever witness in a lifetime living in the UK. Depression, much like happiness is subjective. That is to say it's not about what you have or where you live. It just is. So someone living in awful conditions can be happier than someone with seemingly all the comfort in the world. A person feeling depression in the comfort of the western world feels just the same amount of pain and anguish as a person in a much poorer country. On the face of it you'd think that impossible, but there it is. There is some evidence that our current systems does breed a certain amount of "worried well". (See Lucy Johnson s book Users and Abusers of Psychiatry for an interesting read) but it's something that has become less frequent as services can barely cope with much more urgent needs. You say there are some service users who could do with just getting on with it, but I can say they are few and far between because they are weeded out and dealt with very well by experienced psychiatric services professionals. The one point I do agree with you on is that a great deal of money is wasted in the NHS and that top line funding is adequate but that's of little use to underfunded and unsupported front line staff who find that that top line figure does not appear to translate to the resources they have at their disposal.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2016 19:29:10 GMT
What a sad, sorry individual with such disparaging views of people living abroad, with or without mental illness (& you could choose any definition of that). Still you just worry about people surviving under a sophisticated welfare state whilst others literally scrape together a living but they're out of site out of mind. Not sad or sorry i just have absolutely no feeling for anyone from any other country, I could say much the same thing about you as why can't people realise that in a lot of countries they live the way they do due to their environment and customs, in some countries people don't need to be academically educated, they just need the education to survive passed from generation to generation ,you may think my comments are brutal and uncaring,but who and by what right do we have to view the way the live by our western standards to be wrong, as i have said if people just look at what they do by going over there and interfering in those traditional ways of life, all the so called aid workers actually achieve is to create suffering, by that i mean people donate do this and that, the population grows then all of a sudden that country is in an even bigger mess than before as more starve and more die and suffer. No i don't think i'm evil, i just look at the reality of living in those areas, people have been living in those areas passing on traditions since before western civilization existed and getting by, the real evil is judging those people by our own corrupt western values and even worse trying to impose those values on those people Oh dear you sound like the great white colonial, think you should update your views you'd be surprised that not everyone outside of the UK are savages, running around in loinclothes & living in mud huts (though the very few who are are probably happier than all the rest of us). And just to be clear I haven't said you are evil or even thought that, though the world is full of many very evil people who minds are 'wired' normally.
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Post by badengas on Aug 16, 2016 20:12:02 GMT
Hard questions and opinions here. I'm both brain injured and clinically depressed but get along fine with help from family, friends and prescription drugs. I've known a few not so lucky too. You aren't worthless but it feels like you are, if you haven't seen it at first hand it's difficult to know what to do or say, my advice to everyone for what it's worth is to talk to others if you are suffering, and to listen to someone who is if they give you the chance to help. Back to the thread, too drunk or drugged is no good at the Mem or anywhere else really but some or most on here will have been one or the other. Long post over, looking forward to the next few games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 20:22:49 GMT
Apparently the club are still trying to find out who the two people involved are, and are liaising with the police. The guy actually posted on the Appreciation page, so should't be too hard to track down. Hopefully we've seen the last of them.
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Post by cagastrophy on Aug 16, 2016 20:32:03 GMT
Given that successive cross party governments have done f**k all to help improve the lives of people with mental health issues (and in many cases actually made things much worse) I can't see the club could do much other than raise improved awareness. Education needs to happen in schools and the mainstream media needs to change massively how it reports, deals with and portrays mental health. We are fed a diet of lies and misinformation compounded by endless lazy stereotypes. On top of that people who are able to access treatment have little option but to become career patients thereby reinforcing negative stereotyping further. Getting treatment can be a lottery and once you've experianced the difficulty in accessesing mental health services there is an understandable worry that if you get well and move on there will be no one there should you need support again in the future. All that and we've barely scratched the surface of stigma, lack of mental health training at GP and A&E etc. It's a bloody mess. I though football tried to do something as it became apparent a while back of the issues a few players went through. Hugo, i kinda agree about governments, however mental health care is slowly improving(slowly being the operative word) ,remember it wasn't that long ago that people could get sent to a mental hospital for a variety of things which were perfectly normal, ie getting up the duff out of wedlock, not toeing the line even the royals locked some of em up i think the most recent was a relative of the queen.(cant for the life of me remember her name but i think she died a while back). To me the good thing is that more people are aware of mental issue now than ever before, partly down to adverts ,leaflets in gp surgeries and just people being a bit more open , school can try and educate all they want but most kids won't listen, until they meet someone who has an illness , on a more positive(ish) side more people with some form of mental illness are being integrated into schools, however the schools need to reinforce that mental illness takes many forms and is unique to the sufferer, what i mean by that is kids need to be informed that the kid sat at the back or front lining up everything on their desk, the kid chatting to themselves, the kid who bashes his head against the wall even the kid who can't settle and trusts no one, is in all probability suffering the same pain with their thoughts about themselves, they also need educating that these illnesses can come on at any time in life not only from physical damage. The subject of reporting of mental health by the media can in some way be blamed on the powers that be, and to an extent political correctness, what i mean by that is in a previous post i mentioned how world wide any one committing a violent act against several people at once is now deemed mental, but and i stress but if that was the case there would be a broad cross section of religions committing these crimes, not in the main just one religion, it's a means to an end lets not send people into a blind panic and reveal the truth , instead lets say they were mental even if there is no evidence to support it as you say it easy and lazy ,in the minds of those in charge it's the lesser of 2 evils. In the main these days GP's are more open to admitting the fact that someone may be suffering from a mental illness than ever before , for years i was told pull your socks up, pull yourself together, stop being a big girls blouse, by GP's so like many you just got on and descended deeper and deeper into the black dog or what ever you were suffering from, or even being told ,ok we will make you an appointment over stoke park(for those to young to know stoke park it was a loonie bin on the edge of lockleaze the dower house is still there but the grounds are now a housing estate) and see whats up ,which in turn meant you would say nah tis alright i'm ok. I'm lucky now as i have a great GP and fantastic support on this forum and some one to one support from others, The thorny subject of access to mental health treatment is easy if you know how, but the reality is many people who are ill and their families do not know how to get the services they need , god forbid you are suffering and living alone as unless someone notices ,it is difficult to get help as lets face it ,looking for help is the last thing on most people minds. America?
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2016 20:38:15 GMT
I’m sure there is more than enough government money out there to deal with real mental health issues but we live in a nanny state where everything is someone else’s fault and clog the systems up dealing with depression, stress & anxieties. Try living or visiting less developed countries where the people have a lot of real reasons to be depressed, stressed or suffer anxieties but there they are all diagnosed as ‘life’ and people get on with it. Here in the soft, pc, nanny state, westernised world we couldn’t possibly just get on with life. You can add to my gripes above the NHS offering most IVF treatments and f**king tattoo removals. In short both the health service & welfare system is overloaded by malingerers & frauds which just stops resources being directed to those that really do need them. Saying that some issues can be ignored because there are people who live in third world conditions is like saying to someone with a broken arm "No I won't put it in plaster. There are people in Eritrea who don't even have water you soft get". It's just a total nonsequitur, it's a conflation of two totally unrelated things. It's like saying "I don't believe oranges exist because have you seen the size of watermelons?" Two barely referable statements clanged together. Fortunately for us, all of medical science everywhere in the world (rich, poor and in between) disagrees with you.
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 16, 2016 22:58:28 GMT
Your choice to share that in public, & I truly hope in some way it is therapeutic for you, but I won't be sharing my experiences on here. And equally your experience doesn't mean that is the case for everyone. But what I truly find astonishing is that if you've been through all that, & I'm not questioning any of it, that you are so dismissive of others just because they don't happen to live in the UK. I can only speak in general terms but I've seen far, far more suffering in less developed countries than I'll ever witness in a lifetime living in the UK. I choose to share for one simple reason if someone reads my posts and then actually seeks help, even just speaking to a stranger, samaritans etc, or my post strike a cord with someone who sees things in other and helps them , then my posts have been worth it as it's far easier to climb out of a hole the earlier you admit to yourself you need help. I'm a simple person and i always tell it like it is and i have many many times said there is no simple cure for any mental issues as everyone suffers differently and everyone needs to be helped in differing ways for years i just brushed it all aside until i just snapped , i just realise now that i should have got help a long time ago, Just for the record, I've found them helpful.
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 16, 2016 23:25:56 GMT
Hard questions and opinions here. I'm both brain injured and clinically depressed but get along fine with help from family, friends and prescription drugs. I've known a few not so lucky too. You aren't worthless but it feels like you are, if you haven't seen it at first hand it's difficult to know what to do or say, my advice to everyone for what it's worth is to talk to others if you are suffering, and to listen to someone who is if they give you the chance to help. Back to the thread, too drunk or drugged is no good at the Mem or anywhere else really but some or most on here will have been one or the other. Long post over, looking forward to the next few games. It's also difficult when you watch someone say that and no matter how much you tell them it's not true, you just can't get through to them.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 17, 2016 4:56:49 GMT
Whatever happened to Nathan Brown? Is Nathan Brown the same Nathan that was the entertaining kid that stood at the front of the Blackthorn and often jumped around topless waving his shirt above his head? I remember him doing the conga at Exeter a few years back. If so, I don't know what he does now but he is still around cos I bumped into him in one of the streets around the back of Cabot Circus a few weeks back. He seemed as popular there as he was in the Blackthorn cos everybody that passed seemed to say hello to him. Yes that's the one. He was very well known, and liked. I think my fondest memory of him was on one of the Blackpool trips when I group of us randomly saw him walking down a back ally by himself in the early hours of the morning, top off, arms in the air singing Goognight Irene.
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Post by Gasshole on Aug 17, 2016 6:12:26 GMT
Looks like a couple of young uns cutting loose. We've all done it, I'm sure they're remorseful today.
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