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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 19:55:26 GMT
The feasibility study this late in the day doesn't add up. All figures would've been done a very long time ago as Wael knew from the Higgs deal what his targets would be and where to start renegotiating with UWE. That has got to be a red herring. I think the feasibility study is more to,do with a MEM redevelopment than the UWE deal. If it's to do with the Mem then why mention it? Seems to me the UWE have now given Wael their final offer and he's now got to decide whether it's feasible, whatever feasible is when it's a football club not a business, the worry is now the accountants will say it isn't feasible and the UWE is effectively dead, if the UWE won't budge on their offer, and there's no other options land wise. Perhaps fans who spoke to Wael off air will have got a better, and more positive, explanation from Wael. He didn't mention the Mem. Sometimes with high flying business men it's what they don't say that counts. Perhaps we will all be taken by surprise with an announcement no one thought possible? I Will take the feasibility study with a pinch of salt. That's a delaying comment for some reason,but I still trust the man to deliver.
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Post by aghast on Sept 8, 2016 19:55:28 GMT
He said "well if we were to start building today it would be 2 years, but he didn't say when we'd start building.. So you're right he is careful in that he indicated it could still be any amount of time, I didn't take any hint from it personally, it was just the usual avoidance of specifics Maybe I was getting a bit carried away. That's the last time I like one of your hysterical posts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 19:57:54 GMT
Not sure what you are trying to say tbh. Seems a bit sarcy? Point being, I am a fairly staunch Gashead. I have brought my kids up to be interested in Rovers. I don't think the club are maximizing opportunities. If there are forum members who want to have a dig or tell me I'm some sort of saddo, that's fine. If things were simpler, there would be more future fans. That is a point without contest. Things could be made simpler very very easily. Was very simple I filled out 2 forms, said they were renewing from last year & hey presto all done. As a point to maximising opportunities though the ground has a fixed capacity so even though I have signed them up for the West Enclosure I was told there would be limited availability there this season so we would need to phone up early to get tickets & Saturday will be their first game this season. I personally thought the sarcasm was coming from you as I fail to see what was hard, complicated or hidden about the process of renewing u11 tickets. Ah right. Please bear in mind..I was trying to renew my children's U11 STs. I don't want an online titfortat with anybody about it. I feel, in my experience, that it could/should be easier to renew. In the wider interests of BRFC, of which I am very interested in...these sorts of things should be priority in order to safeguard the future of our club. The young pirates membership is pathetic. The U11s is undersubscribed(limit on space but a strategy could be developed). The renewal system is ancient and should be simpler....even filling out a form is too much imo if I'm honest!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 20:00:34 GMT
Not sure what you are trying to say tbh. Seems a bit sarcy? Point being, I am a fairly staunch Gashead. I have brought my kids up to be interested in Rovers. I don't think the club are maximizing opportunities. If there are forum members who want to have a dig or tell me I'm some sort of saddo, that's fine. If things were simpler, there would be more future fans. That is a point without contest. Things could be made simpler very very easily. If think it's the old argument but if the Mem is already getting filled to near capacity then its pointless the club going OTT to attract youngsters. If we ever start work on the UWE things will need to change. We will have plenty of empty seats for most home games this season. A youngster has the potential to become an adult supporter.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 8, 2016 20:05:23 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up.
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Post by knowall on Sept 8, 2016 20:09:27 GMT
The feasibility study this late in the day doesn't add up. All figures would've been done a very long time ago as Wael knew from the Higgs deal what his targets would be and where to start renegotiating with UWE. That has got to be a red herring. I think the feasibility study is more to,do with a MEM redevelopment than the UWE deal. Would you just accept the figures from Higgs/Twatola? I am sure Wael is more astute than you
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 20:09:41 GMT
The feasibility study this late in the day doesn't add up. All figures would've been done a very long time ago as Wael knew from the Higgs deal what his targets would be and where to start renegotiating with UWE. That has got to be a red herring. I think the feasibility study is more to,do with a MEM redevelopment than the UWE deal. When he says feasibility study I think he might be referring to a final check that the numbers add up, since the the terms of the deal will have changed from those written on the back on Higgs' fag packet. As for redevelopment of the Mem, to an investor, it must offer nothing attractive. No parking, no hotels, no scope to expand. Look at the mockup by Arturus. It's as tight as a Swindon Chairman's wallet. How long has Wael known about The Higgs Micky Mouse contract with UWE?? As for the Mem...no hotels, no parking and no room for development! That outdated picture is of the MEM redeveloped to every spare inch possible! Totally flattened? A different scenario altogether. Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is Wael? An investor who also developes. That man can develope that land and make a fortune,if FEASIBLE to him. If not what will he do with the old MEM? Something unthinkable like sell it for development? Or donate it to charity? For Housing alone that land would be worth £8-10 million. More to him with his ideas and business expertise. We shall beg to differ Aghast.
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Post by lulworthgas on Sept 8, 2016 20:10:07 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up. Good work John!
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Post by casey12a on Sept 8, 2016 20:11:39 GMT
All sounds really positive and progressive, come on the gas. Really looking forward to the future of the club.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 20:15:35 GMT
The feasibility study this late in the day doesn't add up. All figures would've been done a very long time ago as Wael knew from the Higgs deal what his targets would be and where to start renegotiating with UWE. That has got to be a red herring. I think the feasibility study is more to,do with a MEM redevelopment than the UWE deal. Would you just accept the figures from Higgs/Twatola? I am sure Wael is more astute than you I was referring to Wael doing his feasibility study a while ago,covering all angles and figures!! He has had long enough! That is why I said 'Weal knew from the Higgs deal what his targets would be'! Knowing full well they were one sided towards UWE!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 20:17:39 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up. The training facility move in March (which would bring us up to level of a lot of Champ clubs if it's level 2) was the best bit about that for me. UWE stuff positive but same stuff as before really.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2016 20:22:26 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up. So why a feasibility now buy a top firm of accountants?
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Post by beaver132 on Sept 8, 2016 20:22:59 GMT
I'm going to suggest that the feasibility study is to protect BRFC and Wael from any fallout if the ground doesn't make the projected return for the investors. They can fall back on the study rather than it all being landed at Wael's door. That's just a theory, obviously.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Sept 8, 2016 20:24:26 GMT
Was very simple I filled out 2 forms, said they were renewing from last year & hey presto all done. As a point to maximising opportunities though the ground has a fixed capacity so even though I have signed them up for the West Enclosure I was told there would be limited availability there this season so we would need to phone up early to get tickets & Saturday will be their first game this season. I personally thought the sarcasm was coming from you as I fail to see what was hard, complicated or hidden about the process of renewing u11 tickets. Ah right. Please bear in mind..I was trying to renew my children's U11 STs. I don't want an online titfortat with anybody about it. I feel, in my experience, that it could/should be easier to renew. In the wider interests of BRFC, of which I am very interested in...these sorts of things should be priority in order to safeguard the future of our club. The young pirates membership is pathetic. The U11s is undersubscribed(limit on space but a strategy could be developed). The renewal system is ancient and should be simpler....even filling out a form is too much imo if I'm honest! If you're saying in general it could be easier buying tickets then I'd agree with you. If you are saying at this juncture we should be heavily investing in overhauling our ticketing services then I'd say not until we know where we will be in a couple of years. But as you were talking u11 tickets I'm merely pointing at that factually what you described isn't anything that I experienced. I did fill out the forms though, didn't take any great effort, & I was able to leave them at the shop so the girls (okay ladies) could carry on serving someone else, seemed better service than me standing there while they changed my god children's address.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 8, 2016 20:24:41 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up. The training facility move in March (which would bring us up to level of a lot of Champ clubs if it's level 2) was the best bit about that for me. UWE stuff positive but same stuff as before really. I'm sure he said it would be by March (sorry not trying to be pedantic) as they had to leave the other facility by then. The training facility would also be 29 acres and accommodate : first team, youth team and academy ( at least that's how I understood it). As for stadium news- were Wael and Steve frustrated or disappointed ? couldn't work that out but it doesn't sound like anything is imminent at all.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 8, 2016 20:26:00 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up. So why a feasibility now buy a top firm of accountants? To cross check every single detail which quite frankly if the last mob did correctly and with the best people available we would be bloody sat in the thing by now. Wael and his co-investors want everything perfect before pushing the button. And i have to say he sounds very dilligent and dare i say it honest, and i assure you i'm an old cynic if ever there was one.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2016 20:26:57 GMT
If think it's the old argument but if the Mem is already getting filled to near capacity then its pointless the club going OTT to attract youngsters. If we ever start work on the UWE things will need to change. We will have plenty of empty seats for most home games this season. A youngster has the potential to become an adult supporter. Getting fans in because they want to be there, rather than bribed to go by cheap tickets perhaps means they keep coming back? NH policy of freebies for kids clearly didn't work!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2016 20:30:09 GMT
So why a feasibility now buy a top firm of accountants? To cross check every single detail which quite frankly if the last mob did correctly and with the best people available we would be bloody sat in the thing by now. Wael and his co-investors want everything perfect before pushing the button. And i have to say he sounds very dilligent and dare i say it honest, and i assure you i'm an old cynic if ever there was one. Problem is though this is a football club not a business, unless your a Premiership side/top Championship side I can't see any accountant is going to say building a football stadium is feasible. Whilst fans give NH stick he does seem his plan was still a sound one or Wael would have kicked it into touch long ago.
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Post by jerrythegas on Sept 8, 2016 20:32:34 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up. I was there tonight, great meeting. Pretty sure they said the new training ground was in North Bristol and sure it was well over 20 acres ( 29 I think ). They will also be able to increase the capacity of the new stadium but will need further planning permission to do that.
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Post by otleygas on Sept 8, 2016 20:34:32 GMT
The good thing is it's definitely UWE, it won't be anywhere else and the funding is in place and it will be 21,700. Plus the training facility is in advance stages and DC has walked the earmarked land and given it the thumbs up. Out of interest, where did the info about "it will be 21,000 " come from , as I didn't hear this on the BBC broadcast?
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