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Post by inee on Oct 26, 2016 22:58:27 GMT
If there is anyone I'll ban them Then surely that is antistraightophobic
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Post by gasincider on Oct 26, 2016 23:04:16 GMT
And the 92% read the daily mirror. What a load of bullshit this thread is. Presumably anyone who reads the mail is also banned.
What I don't understand is whilst you may not like the idea of homosexuality etc etc, if a gay guy scored the goal that got us promoted I'd be cheering along with everyone else, and his sexuality would be the last thing on my mind.
That said, I think fanboy is bang out of order in what he said. As far as I know we are not yet in a police state imposing our ideas of conformity on anyone else.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 26, 2016 23:09:54 GMT
. That's either a bad piece of sarcasm or you are a fool. Best stay away from any groups, maybe do your shopping online. If anyone thinks homosexuality is unnatural they have a perfect right to say so. Absolutely, except they would be wrong. For example, there was a Harvard University paper a few years ago which put observations of homosexuality within the animal kingdom between 20% and 70% depending on how it is defined (figures are from memory so may be wrong, feel free to google it) ranging from simple cohabitation to full intercourse. In contrast, only three species has sex for fun rather than just procreation. Not sure quoting Mother Nature is going to help.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 26, 2016 23:12:04 GMT
If there is anyone I'll ban them Then surely that is antistraightophobic Double negative ;-)
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Post by gasincider on Oct 26, 2016 23:41:05 GMT
Absolutely, except they would be wrong. In your opinion. Until big brother brings about the advent of thought police, I'm pretty sure people are free to express their opinions. The bit of the survey I thought strange was why anyone would stop watching their team for any reason. If Ched Evans had been guilty and done his time I would have accepted him here. After all, we accept killers back into the fold. Some even play football. Why do people feel the need to be holier than thou when it comes to opinions. Disagree with them by all means, but it's just like being considered a racist because you vote for brexit. You try to pillory people who have a different opinion. Just in case it makes it it easier for the ban police on here: I voted for brexit Im uncomfortable with homosexuality I hate paedophiles I hate scum that drink and drive But if any one of our players fall into any of the aforementioned categories, but scored for us I would still be cheering. But don't anyone tell me how to think under threat of banning.
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 26, 2016 23:44:54 GMT
Who doesn't love a ruddy good bumming !!
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Oct 26, 2016 23:59:22 GMT
Inb4 Evening Post article on this thread
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 0:00:35 GMT
Who doesn't love a ruddy good bumming !! Well I bloody well don't!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 2:07:14 GMT
I played in the same team as Justin Fashanu at Southall FC, he scored over 30 goals that season. We had local news come to interview us about him being gay and no one gave a sh**. He was immense on the pitch and that all that's mattered.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 27, 2016 3:22:46 GMT
If anyone thinks homosexuality is unnatural they have a perfect right to say so. Absolutely, except they would be wrong. For example, there was a Harvard University paper a few years ago which put observations of homosexuality within the animal kingdom between 20% and 70% depending on how it is defined (figures are from memory so may be wrong, feel free to google it) ranging from simple cohabitation to full intercourse. In contrast, only three species has sex for fun rather than just procreation. Not sure quoting Mother Nature is going to help. I think you are missing the point. If gay people find it natural and express that then why shouldn't hetro people express the opposite without being discriminated against. If we all at to rely on University papers for our thinking we would become mindless giving power to the academics who haven't always had a record of being a stable and balanced section of society. To say that animals do it so it is natural is elevating animals above humans which dare I say it IMO is a mistake. It's like people who use the argument that oh they do this in Africa so it's right. There is always gonna be some group of people doing everything in this world but my point is the rest of us have an opinion and to say we are wrong is arrogant and suppressive. We all know experts change their mind every few years. Most people including myself couldn't care less what others get up to in their private lives neither do we stop loving people who we think act unaturally. I love my wife and kids but I don't always agree with them and they don't with me and my behaviour. Suppression of free speech is wrong because it will be left to a certain section of society to dictate to the rest of us.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2016 4:54:49 GMT
Absolutely, except they would be wrong. In your opinion. Until big brother brings about the advent of thought police, I'm pretty sure people are free to express their opinions. The bit of the survey I thought strange was why anyone would stop watching their team for any reason. If Ched Evans had been guilty and done his time I would have accepted him here. After all, we accept killers back into the fold. Some even play football. Why do people feel the need to be holier than thou when it comes to opinions. Disagree with them by all means, but it's just like being considered a racist because you vote for brexit. You try to pillory people who have a different opinion. Just in case it makes it it easier for the ban police on here: I voted for brexit Im uncomfortable with homosexuality I hate paedophiles I hate scum that drink and drive But if any one of our players fall into any of the aforementioned categories, but scored for us I would still be cheering. But don't anyone tell me how to think under threat of banning. Opinions can be wrong you know. Just because we hold opinions it doesn't suddenly make them become facts and it doesn't necessarily mean we have the right to express them. There is no such thing as freedom of speech in this country. We are very much NOT allowed to share our opinions on a great deal of things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 4:57:58 GMT
If there is anyone I'll ban them Why not give them a little badge and bus them off to camps, how dare they hold different beliefs - BAN THEM - Nazis!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 5:03:56 GMT
Being serious, why does any of this matter?
What about players who are mostly straight but had a gay fling?
What about straight players who have a nappy fetish?
What makes your d1ck hard is completely irrelevant, nobody gives a hoot. Similarly, forcing older folks and religious people to approve of homosexuality through shaming acts or criminal law is even more mentally unwell than being uncomfortable with homosexuality.
If any of our players are gay, or trans, or like being spanked covered in whipped cream to the beat of goodnight Irene...good luck to them. None of this has any place in football and I resent the politically motivated trying to crowbar their liberal beliefs into football, which is what this "openly gay player" focus is about in the media. We're all a bit old fashioned and working class and we must be educated.
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Post by Langford Gas on Oct 27, 2016 5:18:14 GMT
Absolutely, except they would be wrong. In your opinion. Until big brother brings about the advent of thought police, I'm pretty sure people are free to express their opinions. The bit of the survey I thought strange was why anyone would stop watching their team for any reason. If Ched Evans had been guilty and done his time I would have accepted him here. After all, we accept killers back into the fold. Some even play football. Why do people feel the need to be holier than thou when it comes to opinions. Disagree with them by all means, but it's just like being considered a racist because you vote for brexit. You try to pillory people who have a different opinion. Just in case it makes it it easier for the ban police on here: I voted for brexit Im uncomfortable with homosexuality I hate paedophiles I hate scum that drink and drive But if any one of our players fall into any of the aforementioned categories, but scored for us I would still be cheering. But don't anyone tell me how to think under threat of banning. I take your point and agree with you though I could not support a player ,team or Club who played a player who was openly a Paedophile but that is my choice. Everyone should have that choice even if it means refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding, we might not all agree but should respect opinions at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 5:22:51 GMT
In your opinion. Until big brother brings about the advent of thought police, I'm pretty sure people are free to express their opinions. The bit of the survey I thought strange was why anyone would stop watching their team for any reason. If Ched Evans had been guilty and done his time I would have accepted him here. After all, we accept killers back into the fold. Some even play football. Why do people feel the need to be holier than thou when it comes to opinions. Disagree with them by all means, but it's just like being considered a racist because you vote for brexit. You try to pillory people who have a different opinion. Just in case it makes it it easier for the ban police on here: I voted for brexit Im uncomfortable with homosexuality I hate paedophiles I hate scum that drink and drive But if any one of our players fall into any of the aforementioned categories, but scored for us I would still be cheering. But don't anyone tell me how to think under threat of banning. Opinions can be wrong you know. Just because we hold opinions it doesn't suddenly make them become facts and it doesn't necessarily mean we have the right to express them. There is no such thing as freedom of speech in this country. We are very much NOT allowed to share our opinions on a great deal of things. That is what is wrong. The sickos who set up speech crime laws should be hanging on a lamppost. People died for free speech, it's pretty much the essence of WW2, fighting totalitarian regimes, and we are now copying. Oth Germany and the SU by establishing laws controlling views and voicing them. Of course, we are certain that OUR rules are just and the targets deserve it. Everybody is missing the point. You don't solve problems with the jackboot, freedom of speech is the other hung worth dying for and we as a country, as say around, fattened up on credit and allowing our gov and media to set laws prosecuting people for "insult". It's like a medieval theocracy - he insulted the gays - "sieze him!" I often fail to understand how anyone in their right mind can be cool with prosecuting people for homophobic and racist speech, surely the overriding principle of free speech is too precious, but either people quite enjoy having a new way to point the finger at others (and virtue signal) OR we are heavily brainwashed. It feels more and more like an Orwell novel eithe everybody giving thumbs up! It's illegal to criticise immigration policy in Sweden. Just openly criticising gov policy is illegal. It's coming here but people still can't see this is totalitarianism.
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Post by badengas on Oct 27, 2016 5:35:50 GMT
Saw a survey on BBC that states 8% of fans would not watch their team if they knew they had a gay player. I was quite surprised by this. I mean who cares, I guess it must be an age thing or yet another poorly conducted survey. If 10% of the pop are gay, and accounting for various variables we could throw into the mix then most clubs will have a gay player, which means 8% of fans should sit at home reading the daily mail. Anybody on this site who would refuse to go if this happened? Wouldn't care at all. Happy for those that did to make their own decisions. Like the rest of life, make your own mind up and don't worry too much about what others think of you.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 27, 2016 6:01:15 GMT
Saw a survey on BBC that states 8% of fans would not watch their team if they knew they had a gay player. I was quite surprised by this. I mean who cares, I guess it must be an age thing or yet another poorly conducted survey. If 10% of the pop are gay, and accounting for various variables we could throw into the mix then most clubs will have a gay player, which means 8% of fans should sit at home reading the daily mail. Anybody on this site who would refuse to go if this happened? It's these kind of surveys and banging ona bout no player coming out as gay which do my swede in!!! If somebody is gay then why do they need to come out in public and what benefit does it have? Live and let live!!!
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Post by Congas on Oct 27, 2016 6:30:05 GMT
I read somewhere that one in eight people are gay (women and men). Must be a few on here in that case. :-) What a person's sexual preference has to do with their ability to do their job is beyond me, as is the prehistoric attitude a lot of people have towards them. It's a case of empowering gays and educating the masses, but judging by some of the comments on here, many are beyond educating.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2016 6:40:26 GMT
Absolutely, except they would be wrong. For example, there was a Harvard University paper a few years ago which put observations of homosexuality within the animal kingdom between 20% and 70% depending on how it is defined (figures are from memory so may be wrong, feel free to google it) ranging from simple cohabitation to full intercourse. In contrast, only three species has sex for fun rather than just procreation. Not sure quoting Mother Nature is going to help. I think you are missing the point. If gay people find it natural and express that then why shouldn't hetro people express the opposite without being discriminated against. If we all at to rely on University papers for our thinking we would become mindless giving power to the academics who haven't always had a record of being a stable and balanced section of society. To say that animals do it so it is natural is elevating animals above humans which dare I say it IMO is a mistake. It's like people who use the argument that oh they do this in Africa so it's right. There is always gonna be some group of people doing everything in this world but my point is the rest of us have an opinion and to say we are wrong is arrogant and suppressive. We all know experts change their mind every few years. Most people including myself couldn't care less what others get up to in their private lives neither do we stop loving people who we think act unaturally. I love my wife and kids but I don't always agree with them and they don't with me and my behaviour. Suppression of free speech is wrong because it will be left to a certain section of society to dictate to the rest of us. Not missing the point at all. People can disagree with homosexuality and are free to say so, which is what I stated when I wrote "absolutely". What I then stated was that it is not unnatural, although it is uncommon. And no, I don't rely on university papers for my thinking, I'm married!
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Post by philbemmygas on Oct 27, 2016 6:42:18 GMT
I have gay and transgender friends/colleagues. When I was a serving soldier, homosexuality was against the regulations and could get the individual(s) kicked out of the mob. Times change as do opinions, as an individual you can make your mind up.
Fans have gone along to openly support the likes of Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick (not in the main Gasheads), who have committed heinous crimes. Being gay is largely down to genes, if that person engages in a relationship with another male I am comfortable with that. I don't want it rammed down my neck (Nobby/Baggins see what I did there) but can accept that.
Lets not attack each other over something that is out of our control.
UTG
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