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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2016 6:44:32 GMT
Absolutely, except they would be wrong. In your opinion. Until big brother brings about the advent of thought police, I'm pretty sure people are free to express their opinions. The bit of the survey I thought strange was why anyone would stop watching their team for any reason. If Ched Evans had been guilty and done his time I would have accepted him here. After all, we accept killers back into the fold. Some even play football. Why do people feel the need to be holier than thou when it comes to opinions. Disagree with them by all means, but it's just like being considered a racist because you vote for brexit. You try to pillory people who have a different opinion. Just in case it makes it it easier for the ban police on here: I voted for brexit Im uncomfortable with homosexuality I hate paedophiles I hate scum that drink and drive But if any one of our players fall into any of the aforementioned categories, but scored for us I would still be cheering. But don't anyone tell me how to think under threat of banning. If it was just a case of stating my opinion then I wouldn't be so bold as to say a fellow poster was wrong.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 27, 2016 6:51:16 GMT
Who doesn't love a ruddy good bumming !! Well I bloody well don't! Well, don`t try it again then.
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 27, 2016 6:53:09 GMT
Millions have died to protect, amongst other things, free speech, which is not something which we should ever forget.
In the past this country made homosexuality illegal and jailed gay men, do we really want to return to that sort of bigotry?
Live and let live, what other peoples sexuality is, is nothing to do with anyone else. To think otherwise is to see them for what they are as opposed to who they are.
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Post by puregas on Oct 27, 2016 6:56:53 GMT
DC could put out a starting eleven that were all gay as far as I'm concerned and I would t give a sh**.
It's nothing to do with freedom of speech, it's to do with being tolerant of other people and minding your own bloody business.
They don't pop their heads into your lives and tell you what to wear to work, what to have for breakfast, or to stop shagging your missus up the arse do they, so why should we be worried what they do?
Was going to say I don't see the need for all the Mardis Gras any longer, as they're now accepted but given some of the Neanderthal views on here, perhaps they need more!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 27, 2016 7:34:09 GMT
Everyone knows the real victims of society are those who get disagreed with on the internet.
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Post by orgasmic on Oct 27, 2016 7:40:09 GMT
What an absolute sh!tfest!
For the record I don't care who or what anybody finds sexually attractive. I have better things to do. Sadly this topic in general has become a media circus for something totally irrelevant but that's the modern world for you. Whilst I understand people who might find the idea of homosexuality uncomfortable or strange, the idea that people still think it's unnatural or immoral and would stop supporting Rovers if they had a gay player blows my mind. For those that believe it's unnatural - why do all men have a g spot in their arse? Reproduction isn't the only reason to exist or we'd all die once we could no longer reproduce. For those worried about AIDS - It isn't the most common STI and you are unlikely to contract it without swapping bodily fluids so try to remain calm. For those who think being gay is a choice - How do you know? Is the story that people are born gay a huge lie that all gay men have told for centuries just to legitimise their sexual preference?
The whole subject to me is utterly bemusing. I'm not even sure I should get to have an opinion on someone else's sexual preference as surely it's not my business but there you go!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 27, 2016 7:45:32 GMT
What an absolute sh!tfest! For the record I don't care who or what anybody finds sexually attractive. I have better things to do. Sadly this topic in general has become a media circus for something totally irrelevant but that's the modern world for you. Whilst I understand people who might find the idea of homosexuality uncomfortable or strange, the idea that people still think it's unnatural or immoral and would stop supporting Rovers if they had a gay player blows my mind. For those that believe it's unnatural - why do all men have a g spot in their arse? Reproduction isn't the only reason to exist or we'd all die once we could no longer reproduce. For those worried about AIDS - It isn't the most common STI and you are unlikely to contract it without swapping bodily fluids so try to remain calm. For those who think being gay is a choice - How do you know? Is the story that people are born gay a huge lie that all gay men have told for centuries just to legitimise their sexual preference? The whole subject to me is utterly bemusing. I'm not even sure I should get to have an opinion on someone else's sexual preference as surely it's not my business but there you go! The "G" spot in one's bottom is used during a dump so that you enjoy what could be a very painful experience
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Post by newmarketgas on Oct 27, 2016 7:47:38 GMT
What an absolute sh!tfest! For the record I don't care who or what anybody finds sexually attractive. I have better things to do. Sadly this topic in general has become a media circus for something totally irrelevant but that's the modern world for you. Whilst I understand people who might find the idea of homosexuality uncomfortable or strange, the idea that people still think it's unnatural or immoral and would stop supporting Rovers if they had a gay player blows my mind. For those that believe it's unnatural - why do all men have a g spot in their arse? Reproduction isn't the only reason to exist or we'd all die once we could no longer reproduce. For those worried about AIDS - It isn't the most common STI and you are unlikely to contract it without swapping bodily fluids so try to remain calm. For those who think being gay is a choice - How do you know? Is the story that people are born gay a huge lie that all gay men have told for centuries just to legitimise their sexual preference? The whole subject to me is utterly bemusing. I'm not even sure I should get to have an opinion on someone else's sexual preference as surely it's not my business but there you go! You just made it your business.
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Post by orgasmic on Oct 27, 2016 7:52:23 GMT
What an absolute sh!tfest! For the record I don't care who or what anybody finds sexually attractive. I have better things to do. Sadly this topic in general has become a media circus for something totally irrelevant but that's the modern world for you. Whilst I understand people who might find the idea of homosexuality uncomfortable or strange, the idea that people still think it's unnatural or immoral and would stop supporting Rovers if they had a gay player blows my mind. For those that believe it's unnatural - why do all men have a g spot in their arse? Reproduction isn't the only reason to exist or we'd all die once we could no longer reproduce. For those worried about AIDS - It isn't the most common STI and you are unlikely to contract it without swapping bodily fluids so try to remain calm. For those who think being gay is a choice - How do you know? Is the story that people are born gay a huge lie that all gay men have told for centuries just to legitimise their sexual preference? The whole subject to me is utterly bemusing. I'm not even sure I should get to have an opinion on someone else's sexual preference as surely it's not my business but there you go! You just made it your business. I'm a fool! 😀
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Post by althepirate on Oct 27, 2016 7:52:36 GMT
Opinions can be wrong you know. Just because we hold opinions it doesn't suddenly make them become facts and it doesn't necessarily mean we have the right to express them. There is no such thing as freedom of speech in this country. We are very much NOT allowed to share our opinions on a great deal of things. That is what is wrong. The sickos who set up speech crime laws should be hanging on a lamppost. People died for free speech, it's pretty much the essence of WW2, fighting totalitarian regimes, and we are now copying. Oth Germany and the SU by establishing laws controlling views and voicing them. Of course, we are certain that OUR rules are just and the targets deserve it. Everybody is missing the point. You don't solve problems with the jackboot, freedom of speech is the other hung worth dying for and we as a country, as say around, fattened up on credit and allowing our gov and media to set laws prosecuting people for "insult". It's like a medieval theocracy - he insulted the gays - "sieze him!" I often fail to understand how anyone in their right mind can be cool with prosecuting people for homophobic and racist speech, surely the overriding principle of free speech is too precious, but either people quite enjoy having a new way to point the finger at others (and virtue signal) OR we are heavily brainwashed. It feels more and more like an Orwell novel eithe everybody giving thumbs up! It's illegal to criticise immigration policy in Sweden. Just openly criticising gov policy is illegal. It's coming here but people still can't see this is totalitarianism. Totalitarianism by the minorities who form little groups who strive to manipulate the masses. We had a referendum and voted against the ideologies of those in power. It was a level playing field as it should be and the masses won. Unbelievably there are still people fighting for a second vote because they didn't get their own way. You lost fair and square, get on with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 7:59:55 GMT
If anyone thinks homosexuality is unnatural they have a perfect right to say so. Absolutely, except they would be wrong. For example, there was a Harvard University paper a few years ago which put observations of homosexuality within the animal kingdom between 20% and 70% depending on how it is defined (figures are from memory so may be wrong, feel free to google it) ranging from simple cohabitation to full intercourse. In contrast, only three species has sex for fun rather than just procreation. Not sure quoting Mother Nature is going to help. I am not sure that using the animal kingdom to determine what is 'natural behaviour' for humanity is a good idea? I don't need to make a list of things that animals do that we would find unnatural! Likewise, what is deemed ok for some people would be unthinkable for others among humans anyway.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 27, 2016 8:05:43 GMT
Saw a survey on BBC that states 8% of fans would not watch their team if they knew they had a gay player. I was quite surprised by this. I mean who cares, I guess it must be an age thing or yet another poorly conducted survey. If 10% of the pop are gay, and accounting for various variables we could throw into the mix then most clubs will have a gay player, which means 8% of fans should sit at home reading the daily mail. Anybody on this site who would refuse to go if this happened? It's these kind of surveys and banging ona bout no player coming out as gay which do my swede in!!! If somebody is gay then why do they need to come out in public and what benefit does it have? Live and let live!!! Exactly!
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2016 8:05:49 GMT
IT wouldn't bother me one little bit if we had an openly gay player. I wouldn't be surprised to learn we do have a gay player anyway, as according to stats, with the number of male employees at the club there is a significant chance there will be at least one gay person.
I work on the railway, and there are a significant number of gays and lesbians n the workforce. Perhaps certain occupations attract more gays than others. Perhaps then overtly masculine professions like professional football has less gay people.
The point is, who cares? What people do in their private lives in entirely up to them. I don't pretend to understand or like homosexuality, it all seems so pointless to me. But there you go, it's a free society and I've been able to express my opinion. I expect it to respected, just as I respect every opinion which I disagree with.
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Post by gassince1957 on Oct 27, 2016 8:08:54 GMT
Back to the original post - I'd be surprised if any of the Rovers fans boycotted games if we had a gay player - what would that achieve? We already had/have some fans who have boycotted games because "they didn't/don't like the board" and what effect did that have - none, other than some smug people on the forums flashing their boycott credentials like it mattered. Given a choice between a gay player and a non-tryer (no names mentioned but we all know some from 3 - 4 seasons back?) I'd prefer the gay player any day - by prefer, I mean prefer that player in my team - I have no non-tryer or Gay inclinations!
So my response to the actual post is "no, I don't think there would be any boycott".
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Post by althepirate on Oct 27, 2016 8:17:06 GMT
I think you are missing the point. If gay people find it natural and express that then why shouldn't hetro people express the opposite without being discriminated against. If we all at to rely on University papers for our thinking we would become mindless giving power to the academics who haven't always had a record of being a stable and balanced section of society. To say that animals do it so it is natural is elevating animals above humans which dare I say it IMO is a mistake. It's like people who use the argument that oh they do this in Africa so it's right. There is always gonna be some group of people doing everything in this world but my point is the rest of us have an opinion and to say we are wrong is arrogant and suppressive. We all know experts change their mind every few years. Most people including myself couldn't care less what others get up to in their private lives neither do we stop loving people who we think act unaturally. I love my wife and kids but I don't always agree with them and they don't with me and my behaviour. Suppression of free speech is wrong because it will be left to a certain section of society to dictate to the rest of us. Not missing the point at all. People can disagree with homosexuality and are free to say so, which is what I stated when I wrote "absolutely". What I then stated was that it is not unnatural, although it is uncommon. And no, I don't rely on university papers for my thinking, I'm married! Stuart whether we think it is natural or not is an opinion, not a fact. I take your point about marriage, that's the reason I got divorced years ago!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 8:20:38 GMT
What an absolute sh!tfest! For the record I don't care who or what anybody finds sexually attractive. I have better things to do. Sadly this topic in general has become a media circus for something totally irrelevant but that's the modern world for you. Whilst I understand people who might find the idea of homosexuality uncomfortable or strange, the idea that people still think it's unnatural or immoral and would stop supporting Rovers if they had a gay player blows my mind. For those that believe it's unnatural - why do all men have a g spot in their arse? Reproduction isn't the only reason to exist or we'd all die once we could no longer reproduce. For those worried about AIDS - It isn't the most common STI and you are unlikely to contract it without swapping bodily fluids so try to remain calm. For those who think being gay is a choice - How do you know? Is the story that people are born gay a huge lie that all gay men have told for centuries just to legitimise their sexual preference? The whole subject to me is utterly bemusing. I'm not even sure I should get to have an opinion on someone else's sexual preference as surely it's not my business but there you go! The "G" spot in one's bottom is used during a dump so that you enjoy what could be a very painful experience So that's why it's so satisfying when it stinks.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 27, 2016 8:26:25 GMT
Back to the original post - I'd be surprised if any of the Rovers fans boycotted games if we had a gay player - what would that achieve? We already had/have some fans who have boycotted games because "they didn't/don't like the board" and what effect did that have - none, other than some smug people on the forums flashing their boycott credentials like it mattered. Given a choice between a gay player and a non-tryer (no names mentioned but we all know some from 3 - 4 seasons back?) I'd prefer the gay player any day - by prefer, I mean prefer that player in my team - I have no non-tryer or Gay inclinations! So my response to the actual post is "no, I don't think there would be any boycott". Yeah, it's probably the sort of ill-thought-out knee-jerk response you'd get if, say, you asked someone if they'd still watch a team managed by a much-loathed manager, say Neil Warnock or Brian Tinnion. Ask a Gashead if we'd go to watch that, a bunch would say, no way. But if it actually happened, everyone would still turn up. Still a bit strange that so many would have a such a knee-jerk reaction, though, imo.
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Post by bluegas on Oct 27, 2016 8:33:48 GMT
One of my sons is "gay". Should I boycott matches due to the homophobic nature of some fans I might come into contact with on the terraces?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 27, 2016 8:35:52 GMT
One of my sons is "gay". Should I boycott matches due to the homophobic nature of some fans I might come into contact with on the terraces? Now you're oppressing everyone with your liberal family.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 8:39:58 GMT
What an absolute sh!tfest! For the record I don't care who or what anybody finds sexually attractive. I have better things to do. Sadly this topic in general has become a media circus for something totally irrelevant but that's the modern world for you. Whilst I understand people who might find the idea of homosexuality uncomfortable or strange, the idea that people still think it's unnatural or immoral and would stop supporting Rovers if they had a gay player blows my mind. For those that believe it's unnatural - why do all men have a g spot in their arse? Reproduction isn't the only reason to exist or we'd all die once we could no longer reproduce. For those worried about AIDS - It isn't the most common STI and you are unlikely to contract it without swapping bodily fluids so try to remain calm. For those who think being gay is a choice - How do you know? Is the story that people are born gay a huge lie that all gay men have told for centuries just to legitimise their sexual preference? The whole subject to me is utterly bemusing. I'm not even sure I should get to have an opinion on someone else's sexual preference as surely it's not my business but there you go! Are you telling me, that after 44 years of trying to find a G Spot on any woman, that in fact, I've got my very own G Spot in my arse ! Can you imagine how deflated I am feeling right now? All those wasted years.
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