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Post by wiaww on Nov 17, 2016 12:27:24 GMT
This is really boiling my water. The EFL Trophy has been an absolute shambles of a competition from start to finish. One of two things has happened here; gross incompetence or actual corruption, and it’s up to Shaun Harvey to decide which before he hands over his resignation for his pathetic role in this whole farce. How can you have a format whereby 25% of competing teams are playing by entirely different competition rules; EFL clubs were required to play five “first team” players while the so-called academy sides, participating in order to develop Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game, are only required to play six U21s – with no specification given to nationality.
With the fining of Luton Town for the fielding of their academy players against Gillingham and West Brom (games they won) the EFL are effectively saying that development of Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game in the EFL Trophy is the reserve of only those clubs with Category One academies and that those clubs in League One and League Two who wish to develop Young English Talent must find other ways to do so. For the Good Of The English game.
As Luton’s Chief Exec said, “we accept that we would be fined for [fielding the academy players]. While we don’t feel we should be paying ‘fees’ to get our youngsters experience, we view that as an investment in their development.” So, essentially Luton took the view that the blooding of their Young (primarily) English Talent in a competition supposedly reformatted in order to develop Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game but yet whose rules prevent 75% of participating clubs from doing so was worth a £15,000 ‘investment’. Full credit has to go to Luton Town for their commitment to the development of Young English Talent for the Good Of The English game, despite the EFL’s best attempts at making this as difficult as possible for clubs that don’t currently hold academy one status, I just can’t help but feel that the £15,000 the EFL will be withholding from Luton’s £20,000 prize money received for advancing in this ludicrous competition (helped in part by goals from 18-year-old Englishman Frankie Musonda, 20-year-old Englishman Alex Gillead, and 20-year-old Englishman Jake Gray) would have been better spent… you guessed it, developing Luton’s Young English Talent, for the Good Of The English Game, of course.
It’s absolutely obscene that clubs get fined for playing young players in a competition that the EFL has argued has been designed specifically in order to give young players a taste of competitive football, but what’s equally disgusting is the EFL’s, and in particular Shaun Harvey’s, disgusting attitude towards the fans and clubs who have treated this competition with the utter contempt that it deserves. The reaction from Harvey has been that of embarrassing denial and in an interview given back at the beginning of October Harvey tried to insinuate that the first round games attracted more than the previous year’s when in fact the average crowd was down nearly 25% year on year. When pressed about the conspicuous absence of United, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool and the fact that this underlines just how fatally flawed the competition’s new format is if it really has been redesigned in order to develop Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game (it hasn’t) Harvey had the nerve to reply flippantly that it would only be a problem “if someone has a crystal ball and can tell us where the next best young players are coming from.” There is an enormous contradiction there; on the one hand nobody knows where the next best young players are coming from, and on the other, the only way to ensure the future of Young English Talent is if only those clubs with Category One academies (read as: Premier League) are allowed to play their academy players in the EFL Trophy. Therefore it's clearly not about developing Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game(!), or Harvey's logic is fatally flawed and he should absolutely not be in the position he is in.
The whole thing absolutely reeks and something needs to be done about it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 17, 2016 12:32:02 GMT
With the fining of Luton Town for the fielding of their academy players against Gillingham and West Brom (games they won) the EFL are effectively saying that development of Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game in the EFL Trophy is the reserve of only those clubs with Category One academies and that those clubs in League One and League Two who wish to develop Young English Talent must find other ways to do so. For the Good Of The English game. Yeah, and they're basically saying that young English players learning their trade at Luton are not good for the game. Proper slap in the face for them, after they went out and beat West Brom U23s.
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 17, 2016 12:50:00 GMT
I attended the two home games, basically because I wanted to. As a adult and individual I made that decision after weighing up the pro's & con's as I saw them.
Having read the reports of some of the teams involved from the upper two divisions, I found it an absolute joke that players in their late 30's who were internationals could represent their under 23 teams along with many foreign nationals.
No matter what spin they try to put on it, that does not support the development of English & Welsh football in any shape or form. I sincerely hope the club tell them to stick their fine where the sun doesn't shine. What's the worst they can do, ban us from the tournament - grrrr
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 17, 2016 12:54:19 GMT
If the FAs ideas of Academys was working there would be no need for them to play in the Mickey mouse/Donald Duck Cup. The FA are slowly and surely ruining EVERYTHING that was good about Football in this Country. Surely all the teams can get together and put a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE in the people running our game. it seems everything else in this world can have a vote of no confidence or even a strike. GET THE CLOWNS OUT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. Unfortunately our game has been going down hill from the day MONEY took over the game and the Premiership was created.
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Post by stevethepirate on Nov 17, 2016 12:56:34 GMT
I attended the two home games, basically because I wanted to. As a adult and individual I made that decision after weighing up the pro's & con's as I saw them. Having read the reports of some of the teams involved from the upper two divisions, I found it an absolute joke that players in their late 30's who were internationals could represent their under 23 teams along with many foreign nationals. No matter what spin they try to put on it, that does not support the development of English & Welsh football in any shape or form. I sincerely hope the club tell them to stick their fine where the sun doesn't shine. What's the worst they can do, ban us from the tournament - grrrr They wouldn't ban us but make us play in it again.
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Post by LJG on Nov 17, 2016 13:44:25 GMT
This is one instance when a judicial review wold actually have a reasonable prospect of success. Oh and anyone who still doesn't think boycotting was the best option has already been proved wrong by the way Harvey has tried to spin the attendances. So well done for supporting the team but ultimately all you've done is damage the prospects of our and all lower league clubs.... and you have proof of that our is just your own opinion like everybody else on here ? The proof is Harvey's comments of a few weeks ago as I said in my original post.
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Post by barumgas on Nov 17, 2016 14:14:56 GMT
Nothing in the rules to say we could no sub after 2 minutes. Maybe it wasnt in the spirit of the game butr no rule was broken so there is no scope for a fine. The FA need to listen to the supporters for once
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 17, 2016 16:37:34 GMT
From the Bristol Poo-st
Furious Darrell Clarke rounds on EFL after Bristol Rovers are slapped with EFL Trophy fine By JamesMcNamara | Posted: November 17, 2016
Angry Darrell Clarke has rounded on the Football League after Bristol Rovers were handed a fine for a failure to comply with EFL Trophy rules.
Rovers were yesterday one of 12 teams to be handed a financial penalty for fielding a weakened team in the much-maligned competition.
A fine of £3,000 was handed down to Rovers after Clarke got around the rules by substituting goalkeeper Kelle Roos in the second minute of their final group game against Portsmouth on November 8.
The EFL labelled that action as a "transgression that was not within the spirit of the rules" regardless of the fact that Rovers started the game with five players who had played against Crawley in the FA Cup on November 5.
Rovers are likely to appeal the decision, and, speaking in response to the punishment at Cribbs Causeway this morning, Clarke fumed: "I've just been trying to get hold of the EFL on the phone to try and find out if they want to pick my team for Saturday.
"They seem to be calling the shots and I can tell you that I, like many of the other managers who have been punished, am very angry and disappointed.
"When somebody sat behind a desk with a nice warn cup of coffee can start telling me which first-team players I can and can't play then the game is gone.
"I wonder if the people who have thought up a ridiculous format that supporters up and down the country have boycotted will think about giving themselves a fine. That's a good question isn't it?
"It has been a fantastic competition over the years but this season has been farcical. I do not like people telling me who I can and can't pick. I hope we will appeal the decision."
Luton and Portsmouth have both received the biggest punishments for the failure with both clubs being slapped with a £15,000 fine. Fleetwood incurred a £5,000 sanction, while Bradford City, Blackpool, MK Dons, Millwall, Charlton, Peterborough United, Sheffield United and Southend United have all been fined £3,000.
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 17, 2016 17:01:28 GMT
Lots of ill-will towards them, as well, though.
I think most people with any sort of average intelligence will understand they do not make the rules, but whether its good or bad publicity people have now heard of them and that's a big thing in advertising.
Maybe, but a lot of people with any sort of average intelligence will remember that their chief exec was dismissive to the point of being abusive to fans and fan groups that were advocating a boycott of the competition. Brand Awareness - Tick Brand Trust - Cross
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 17, 2016 17:04:24 GMT
From the Bristol Poo-st Furious Darrell Clarke rounds on EFL after Bristol Rovers are slapped with EFL Trophy fine By JamesMcNamara | Posted: November 17, 2016 Angry Darrell Clarke has rounded on the Football League after Bristol Rovers were handed a fine for a failure to comply with EFL Trophy rules. Rovers were yesterday one of 12 teams to be handed a financial penalty for fielding a weakened team in the much-maligned competition. A fine of £3,000 was handed down to Rovers after Clarke got around the rules by substituting goalkeeper Kelle Roos in the second minute of their final group game against Portsmouth on November 8. The EFL labelled that action as a "transgression that was not within the spirit of the rules" regardless of the fact that Rovers started the game with five players who had played against Crawley in the FA Cup on November 5. Rovers are likely to appeal the decision, and, speaking in response to the punishment at Cribbs Causeway this morning, Clarke fumed: "I've just been trying to get hold of the EFL on the phone to try and find out if they want to pick my team for Saturday. "They seem to be calling the shots and I can tell you that I, like many of the other managers who have been punished, am very angry and disappointed. "When somebody sat behind a desk with a nice warn cup of coffee can start telling me which first-team players I can and can't play then the game is gone. "I wonder if the people who have thought up a ridiculous format that supporters up and down the country have boycotted will think about giving themselves a fine. That's a good question isn't it? "It has been a fantastic competition over the years but this season has been farcical. I do not like people telling me who I can and can't pick. I hope we will appeal the decision." Luton and Portsmouth have both received the biggest punishments for the failure with both clubs being slapped with a £15,000 fine. Fleetwood incurred a £5,000 sanction, while Bradford City, Blackpool, MK Dons, Millwall, Charlton, Peterborough United, Sheffield United and Southend United have all been fined £3,000. Spot on from Darrell, but just watch him get a fine for the statement as well.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Nov 17, 2016 17:21:12 GMT
From the Bristol Poo-st Furious Darrell Clarke rounds on EFL after Bristol Rovers are slapped with EFL Trophy fine By JamesMcNamara | Posted: November 17, 2016 Angry Darrell Clarke has rounded on the Football League after Bristol Rovers were handed a fine for a failure to comply with EFL Trophy rules. Rovers were yesterday one of 12 teams to be handed a financial penalty for fielding a weakened team in the much-maligned competition. A fine of £3,000 was handed down to Rovers after Clarke got around the rules by substituting goalkeeper Kelle Roos in the second minute of their final group game against Portsmouth on November 8. The EFL labelled that action as a "transgression that was not within the spirit of the rules" regardless of the fact that Rovers started the game with five players who had played against Crawley in the FA Cup on November 5. Rovers are likely to appeal the decision, and, speaking in response to the punishment at Cribbs Causeway this morning, Clarke fumed: "I've just been trying to get hold of the EFL on the phone to try and find out if they want to pick my team for Saturday."They seem to be calling the shots and I can tell you that I, like many of the other managers who have been punished, am very angry and disappointed. "When somebody sat behind a desk with a nice warn cup of coffee can start telling me which first-team players I can and can't play then the game is gone. "I wonder if the people who have thought up a ridiculous format that supporters up and down the country have boycotted will think about giving themselves a fine. That's a good question isn't it? "It has been a fantastic competition over the years but this season has been farcical. I do not like people telling me who I can and can't pick. I hope we will appeal the decision." Luton and Portsmouth have both received the biggest punishments for the failure with both clubs being slapped with a £15,000 fine. Fleetwood incurred a £5,000 sanction, while Bradford City, Blackpool, MK Dons, Millwall, Charlton, Peterborough United, Sheffield United and Southend United have all been fined £3,000. I absolutely love that man. Definitely another fine heading his way for that though.
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Post by poorblue on Nov 17, 2016 19:38:51 GMT
Why not ask someone with an IT knowledge to start a National online poll asking fans (as opposed to Club Chairman) for a vote on ! The acceptability of this years experiment of entering Academy teams in the Checkatrade Cup. 2 Whether it should be continued in future years. 3 Whether the fines should be applied for player selection as issued by EFL 4 Whether the fines should be applied for player selection as issued by EFL in respect to Bristol Rovers in particular who did not break the rule but only the spirit of the rules.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 18, 2016 7:41:18 GMT
Time to blitz the EFL with a E-mail complaining about the comp... and ad some malware into the mix
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 18, 2016 8:02:10 GMT
Time to blitz the EFL with a E-mail complaining about the comp... and ad some malware into the mix Sounds like a job for a man in the IT business, anyone come to mind?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2016 8:34:35 GMT
Why not start a poll on here just asking should Academy U23 teams be allowed in the Trophy next season? Then see if we can get other Div 1 & 2 clubs to run a similar poll on their own forums?
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Post by inee on Nov 18, 2016 14:39:43 GMT
From the Bristol Poo-st Furious Darrell Clarke rounds on EFL after Bristol Rovers are slapped with EFL Trophy fine By JamesMcNamara | Posted: November 17, 2016 Angry Darrell Clarke has rounded on the Football League after Bristol Rovers were handed a fine for a failure to comply with EFL Trophy rules. Rovers were yesterday one of 12 teams to be handed a financial penalty for fielding a weakened team in the much-maligned competition. A fine of £3,000 was handed down to Rovers after Clarke got around the rules by substituting goalkeeper Kelle Roos in the second minute of their final group game against Portsmouth on November 8. The EFL labelled that action as a "transgression that was not within the spirit of the rules" regardless of the fact that Rovers started the game with five players who had played against Crawley in the FA Cup on November 5. Rovers are likely to appeal the decision, and, speaking in response to the punishment at Cribbs Causeway this morning, Clarke fumed: "I've just been trying to get hold of the EFL on the phone to try and find out if they want to pick my team for Saturday."They seem to be calling the shots and I can tell you that I, like many of the other managers who have been punished, am very angry and disappointed. "When somebody sat behind a desk with a nice warn cup of coffee can start telling me which first-team players I can and can't play then the game is gone. "I wonder if the people who have thought up a ridiculous format that supporters up and down the country have boycotted will think about giving themselves a fine. That's a good question isn't it? "It has been a fantastic competition over the years but this season has been farcical. I do not like people telling me who I can and can't pick. I hope we will appeal the decision." Luton and Portsmouth have both received the biggest punishments for the failure with both clubs being slapped with a £15,000 fine. Fleetwood incurred a £5,000 sanction, while Bradford City, Blackpool, MK Dons, Millwall, Charlton, Peterborough United, Sheffield United and Southend United have all been fined £3,000. I absolutely love that man. Definitely another fine heading his way for that though. Yup tis fantastic to have a manager who speaks out
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Post by northsidegas on Nov 18, 2016 14:47:40 GMT
It's different to the Blackpool/Holloway situation as we actually abided by the rules, the EFL can't just make it up as they go along! umm both darrells and ians responses sound pretty much the same...
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 18, 2016 16:43:53 GMT
This is really boiling my p**s. The EFL Trophy has been an absolute shambles of a competition from start to finish. One of two things has happened here; gross incompetence or actual corruption, and it’s up to Shaun Harvey to decide which before he hands over his resignation for his pathetic role in this whole farce. How can you have a format whereby 25% of competing teams are playing by entirely different competition rules; EFL clubs were required to play five “first team” players while the so-called academy sides, participating in order to develop Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game, are only required to play six U21s – with no specification given to nationality. With the fining of Luton Town for the fielding of their academy players against Gillingham and West Brom (games they won) the EFL are effectively saying that development of Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game in the EFL Trophy is the reserve of only those clubs with Category One academies and that those clubs in League One and League Two who wish to develop Young English Talent must find other ways to do so. For the Good Of The English game. As Luton’s Chief Exec said, “we accept that we would be fined for [fielding the academy players]. While we don’t feel we should be paying ‘fees’ to get our youngsters experience, we view that as an investment in their development.” So, essentially Luton took the view that the blooding of their Young (primarily) English Talent in a competition supposedly reformatted in order to develop Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game but yet whose rules prevent 75% of participating clubs from doing so was worth a £15,000 ‘investment’. Full credit has to go to Luton Town for their commitment to the development of Young English Talent for the Good Of The English game, despite the EFL’s best attempts at making this as difficult as possible for clubs that don’t currently hold academy one status, I just can’t help but feel that the £15,000 the EFL will be withholding from Luton’s £20,000 prize money received for advancing in this ludicrous competition (helped in part by goals from 18-year-old Englishman Frankie Musonda, 20-year-old Englishman Alex Gillead, and 20-year-old Englishman Jake Gray) would have been better spent… you guessed it, developing Luton’s Young English Talent, for the Good Of The English Game, of course. It’s absolutely obscene that clubs get fined for playing young players in a competition that the EFL has argued has been designed specifically in order to give young players a taste of competitive football, but what’s equally disgusting is the EFL’s, and in particular Shaun Harvey’s, disgusting attitude towards the fans and clubs who have treated this competition with the utter contempt that it deserves. The reaction from Harvey has been that of embarrassing denial and in an interview given back at the beginning of October Harvey tried to insinuate that the first round games attracted more than the previous year’s when in fact the average crowd was down nearly 25% year on year. When pressed about the conspicuous absence of United, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool and the fact that this underlines just how fatally flawed the competition’s new format is if it really has been redesigned in order to develop Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game (it hasn’t) Harvey had the nerve to reply flippantly that it would only be a problem “if someone has a crystal ball and can tell us where the next best young players are coming from.” There is an enormous contradiction there; on the one hand nobody knows where the next best young players are coming from, and on the other, the only way to ensure the future of Young English Talent is if only those clubs with Category One academies (read as: Premier League) are allowed to play their academy players in the EFL Trophy. Therefore it's clearly not about developing Young English Talent for the Good Of The English Game(!), or Harvey's logic is fatally flawed and he should absolutely not be in the position he is in. The whole thing absolutely reeks and something needs to be done about it. Boycotting games would be a start.. ..
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Post by hargravegas on Nov 19, 2016 11:38:58 GMT
I think someone needs to start an internet campaign suggesting we all boycott checkatrade.com. I know its not their fault, but only if the sponsors are threatened will the FA sit up & take notice. The fine was the final straw for me. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 12:09:31 GMT
It's different to the Blackpool/Holloway situation as we actually abided by the rules, the EFL can't just make it up as they go along! umm both darrells and ians responses sound pretty much the same... Yeah course, but I said the situations were different. Holloway knew the 'weakened team' rules existed, and though they were vague rules he was still playing with fire. EFL came up with some straightforward rules, which we abided by, and then decided to change them after the games.
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