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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 5, 2016 14:37:47 GMT
the only players he didn't sign in his time here are Parkes (now gone), Harrison, Mildenhall, McChrystal, Brown, Ollie Clarke and Tom Lockyer off the top of my head Yea can't think of any others either. He generally signs players who are up for it and committed. DC has turned around a long standing, deeply damaging culture of unprofessionalism within the club through a massive effort - a big chunk of which has involved bringing in the right kind of professionals. This is why it's really odd/ unappreciative be concerned about his ability sign players. Perhaps having tired just about every thing else he's now just trying to get a positive reaction from his players, if our bosses called us in and said you had a month to get your acts together or you'd be replaced, would you just sit in a corner and cry about your manager being a bit harsh or try and prove you did have what it takes?
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 5, 2016 15:17:31 GMT
Yea can't think of any others either. He generally signs players who are up for it and committed. DC has turned around a long standing, deeply damaging culture of unprofessionalism within the club through a massive effort - a big chunk of which has involved bringing in the right kind of professionals. This is why it's really odd/ unappreciative be concerned about his ability sign players. Perhaps having tired just about every thing else he's now just trying to get a positive reaction from his players, if our bosses called us in and said you had a month to get your acts together or you'd be replaced, would you just sit in a corner and cry about your manager being a bit harsh or try and prove you did have what it takes? I've had that situation. The best ones buggered off and got better jobs elsewhere, while the worst got nice redundancy pay-offs. Half of them ended up being being rehired a few months later when the bosses couldn't recruit enough experienced replacements.
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Post by garystash on Dec 5, 2016 15:27:04 GMT
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Post by mullerrd on Dec 5, 2016 15:56:23 GMT
DC and MS have to take their share of responsibility for today's performance as well as the players. What were they trying to achieve with a 4-4-2 formation which, Lines apart, had not a jot of creativity in midfield? The formation had all the hallmarks of a team set up to contain the opposition, not to take them on. Opposition which was two leagues below us! Lines, admittedly, had a poor game today but that only served to highlight what little else the midfield had to offer. How many times did the midfield pass the ball sideways or backwards to the back four and/or goalkeeper? Where was the pace and movement and, Sinclair's first half effort aside, where were the forward runs? The constant chopping and changing of the side and the different formations is not helping and DC is beginning to sound like a stuck record when he repeatedly defaults to blaming the players. Time to stand up and be counted DC. how can anyone not realise we were playing 3-5-2 yesterday? ?
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Post by mullerrd on Dec 5, 2016 15:57:06 GMT
Well, nobody told Lee Brown!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:14:56 GMT
Well, nobody told Lee Brown! he wasnt very effective going forward yesterday its true
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Post by oddsongas on Dec 5, 2016 16:35:28 GMT
Well, nobody told Lee Brown! I think Brown has forgot how to defend or attack this season. Haven't seen him stop a cross all season and always seems out of position!
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Post by socrates on Dec 5, 2016 16:49:30 GMT
One thing I wasn't happy with I thought dc made it public he's getting rid of players that didn't perform...as their be seen as the scapegoats... He was saying it's not rocket science to see what we need??? Yeah it is and that is one formation and a team you battle to get into not m.o.m one week then dropped...changing formation two to three times against a non league team come on? Totally agree with this. Three tactical changes in one game is always going to confuse the players and I honestly didn't see one rovers player not trying yesterday. We've got a great bunch of lads but playing players out of position in several different formations is not getting the best out of them and won't get the best out of them. I think the tactics are as much to blame as the players but I will say that if I was manager I'd be looking to get shot of Roos and get an experienced keeper in permanent soon as possible.. Our biggest problems are defence yes but too many times this season we've conceded two shots at goal and two goals or three shots at goal and three goals etc. Also the defence being a mess is partly down to the keeper he is the captain of the defence and should organise them probably as much as Lockyer should.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 5, 2016 16:55:31 GMT
After 24 hours I feel able to have a look at the forums and they are as bad as I thought they'd be! After such a disappointment I never looked at anything until now. But now I'm very gald DC is unhappy. Blimey, I'd hate to think anyone associated with Rovers could be happy after that. I am sure he will have some targets in mind and depending on the December we have, may look to bring them in. But I'm still not convinced he will, after giving this lot a rocket they may respond and start to win again. We have to keep the faith, in October and early November this was the best squad ever assembled by Rovers and now a month later...!! Really disappointing but we have to believe that DC will turn it round as he did with home form this time last year which led to promotion in the end. It won't this year but mid table will be OK. UTG!
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Post by gasincider on Dec 5, 2016 16:58:52 GMT
God knows why people still query why DC offered everyone an extra year. Promotion was the result.
As for changes now, his holy of holiest need to know they are not immune to being dropped. At the back that includes Brown, Lines and Lockyer. The time to drop players is when they under perform, not when they give m-o-m performances.
I just hope the taller quality players are available in January I.e. Goalkeepers we, centreback and striker.
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Post by singupgas on Dec 5, 2016 17:01:39 GMT
I think we need 4 or 5 quality permanent players if we looking long term. We need to get a core side together now for rest of the season so 3 or 4 in January, then add to in the summer. This season has always been about finding our feet, players we had have had a good go, but inability to keep clean sheets and now slide of form has just highlighted the need for additional quality.
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Post by Blackbeard on Dec 5, 2016 17:17:31 GMT
Bah! 😡😡😡😡
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:05:02 GMT
Me. It's my opinion that Lines is one of our best players when he plays well. I don't think he plays as well as he is able often enough. It may be teammates or it may be that he does need a kick up the ass. I'm not sure. Other opinions are available. Just like GGMI you highlight why he gets flack but can't see it
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 5, 2016 22:23:19 GMT
Me. It's my opinion that Lines is one of our best players when he plays well. I don't think he plays as well as he is able often enough. It may be teammates or it may be that he does need a kick up the ass. I'm not sure. Other opinions are available. Just like GGMI you highlight why he gets flack but can't see it I don't understand the point you are making?? I can't see what?
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Post by socrates on Dec 5, 2016 23:07:53 GMT
Just like GGMI you highlight why he gets flack but can't see it I don't understand the point you are making?? I can't see what? One thing I always notice about lines when he's got the ball is that he always has his head up and he's looking left , right and centre waiting for the right pass even when he's running at full pelt , he only goes on those runs because he's trying to carve out an angle for his trademark pass. When our movement is good and we are playing well Chris lines plays well because if he's got players around him moving in to space looking for the ball and in a hungry and confident mood then he's got options. When we are static up front he can't do anything except go sideways and it's frustrating, sometimes he'll still Play it in to feet but then if we've got no wingers then where do we go from there ? Back in to midfield that's where. Chris lines thrives in a 4-4-2 because he wants the pitch to be as wide as possible so he can stretch the opposition with his long range passes. Charlie colket can be as good as Chris lines probably better but when we've played him more often than not it's been in an awful formation with no width and although he's done alright when I've watched him play most of the time when he's got the ball he takes that extra second that top quality players have got then brings it down looks a bit watered off and forces the ball because the options aren't there. People slagging off Chris lines after Sunday's performance don't understand football or formations or Chris lines as a player. The blokes a class act at this level but not in a 3-5-2 with Wrong backs and floggng him in that formation along with Lee brown and leadbitteer is doing them and us a masssive disservice.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 5, 2016 23:28:40 GMT
He is a class act. From Christmas onwards last year league 2 defences couldn't deal with his surging runs. The balance of the team was able to let him do it, just hasn't worked like that this season. He's having to sit deeper, not make those runs and unfortunately no one else is and with no Bodin or Montano to create, better teams don't find it as hard to stop us. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 23:29:57 GMT
I don't understand the point you are making?? I can't see what? One thing I always notice about lines when he's got the ball is that he always has his head up and he's looking left , right and centre waiting for the right pass even when he's running at full pelt , he only goes on those runs because he's trying to carve out an angle for his trademark pass. When our movement is good and we are playing well Chris lines plays well because if he's got players around him moving in to space looking for the ball and in a hungry and confident mood then he's got options. When we are static up front he can't do anything except go sideways and it's frustrating, sometimes he'll still Play it in to feet but then if we've got no wingers then where do we go from there ? Back in to midfield that's where. Chris lines thrives in a 4-4-2 because he wants the pitch to be as wide as possible so he can stretch the opposition with his long range passes. Charlie colket can be as good as Chris lines probably better but when we've played him more often than not it's been in an awful formation with no width and although he's done alright when I've watched him play most of the time when he's got the ball he takes that extra second that top quality players have got then brings it down looks a bit watered off and forces the ball because the options aren't there. People slagging off Chris lines after Sunday's performance don't understand football or formations or Chris lines as a player. The blokes a class act at this level but not in a 3-5-2 with Wrong backs and floggng him in that formation along with Lee brown and leadbitteer is doing them and us a masssive disservice. your not much use as a player if you can only function in one formation are you? i do agree with your preference for 4-4-2 with wide players but i actually think lines is part of the reason dc wont stick with it as hes a bit of a luxury player and you cant afford that with only 2 centre midfield players with lines it puts too much pressure on the other cm in my view.
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Post by socrates on Dec 6, 2016 0:01:30 GMT
He is a class act. From Christmas onwards last year league 2 defences couldn't deal with his surging runs. The balance of the team was able to let him do it, just hasn't worked like that this season. He's having to sit deeper, not make those runs and unfortunately no one else is and with no Bodin or Montano to create, better teams don't find it as hard to stop us. UTG! Exactly what I mean. Maybe bodin and montano aren't up to it at this level but if I was manager I'd play lines with Clarke or Sinclair and those two for the next few games with Taylor and Gafney up front. Bodin is a quality player but getting 20 minutes every three games isn't going to get him up to speed I honestly think we could pick up enough points from those games to be in the top six and maybe even keep Taylor and push on again. I really fear that we're going to see another ugly narrow parformsnce with a draw at the most this Saturday though.
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Post by socrates on Dec 6, 2016 0:09:54 GMT
Well, nobody told Lee Brown! Lee brown is a left back and a very good overlapping left back and one of the best left backs in my 35 years supporting the club.. Ask him to play as a wing back with no winger in front of him and continue to do it and you might as well move him on.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 6, 2016 6:27:27 GMT
Me. It's my opinion that Lines is one of our best players when he plays well. I don't think he plays as well as he is able often enough. It may be teammates or it may be that he does need a kick up the ass. I'm not sure. Other opinions are available. Just like GGMI you highlight why he gets flack but can't see it I can see why he gets flack for notgetting stuck in enough but I can't understand him getting flack for "not being good" when he clearly is good enough for league one.
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