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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 21, 2016 10:23:53 GMT
Does it really matter as it's hardly a major construction compared to the stadium build? Although will it have even gone out to tender if we only got pp today. Unless Wael has got his priorities wrong then doesn't this mean the UWE talks are still progressing, as it seems pointless having a state of the art training ground whilst still playing at a run down lower league stadium.I wouldn't say its pointless. Obviously in an ideal world we'd have both sorted within the next couple of years. But I think we're still better off having just the training ground than neither of them. UTG! agree it is not pointless at all In fact I'd say it's more important in the short run (& then very imp in the long run as well) as it should help us keep competitive in lge 1. Facilities are VERY important for players and staff. They are human and all want good facilities to work in because ultimately this is work for them. The Academy system is sadly a huge part of football now and until we sort our facilities out we will forever be losing our best prospects to higher grade academies for no 'fault' apart from players seeing better facilities & perceived better prospects. Even though the EFL trophy has been an omni shambles it has been interesting to see that some champ clubs have cat 1 academies & some don't. There are even 1 or 2 champ clubs I think that don't even have cat 2 academies.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Dec 21, 2016 10:30:34 GMT
Expecting an official announcement shortly then, let's hope this is as watertight as Nick Higg's wellys!
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2016 10:53:18 GMT
I wouldn't say its pointless. Obviously in an ideal world we'd have both sorted within the next couple of years. But I think we're still better off having just the training ground than neither of them. UTG! agree it is not pointless at all In fact I'd say it's more important in the short run (& then very imp in the long run as well) as it should help us keep competitive in lge 1. Facilities are VERY important for players and staff. They are human and all want good facilities to work in because ultimately this is work for them. The Academy system is sadly a huge part of football now and until we sort our facilities out we will forever be losing our best prospects to higher grade academies for no 'fault' apart from players seeing better facilities & perceived better prospects. Even though the EFL trophy has been an omni shambles it has been interesting to see that some champ clubs have cat 1 academies & some don't. There are even 1 or 2 champ clubs I think that don't even have cat 2 academies. But surely this is a long term project as the ground itself will take around a year to get up and running fully and then years for the Academy to produce the next Locks/Ellis(!), it could be 3 to 5 years before we see any real benefits if the investment on the pitch, I can't see that keeping us in Div 1 in the next couple of seasons. I just can't see Wael spending £1m+ on a training facility if he's not still confident the UWE will go ahead sometime soon as this is money he's investing he's unlikely to get back w/o the new stadium being built.
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Post by lulworthgas on Dec 21, 2016 11:06:30 GMT
Is there any plans for this site. I keep seeing 'state of the art' quoted but from what I've read we seem to be building a clubhouse next to some existing sports pitches?
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Post by garystash on Dec 21, 2016 11:08:51 GMT
agree it is not pointless at all In fact I'd say it's more important in the short run (& then very imp in the long run as well) as it should help us keep competitive in lge 1. Facilities are VERY important for players and staff. They are human and all want good facilities to work in because ultimately this is work for them. The Academy system is sadly a huge part of football now and until we sort our facilities out we will forever be losing our best prospects to higher grade academies for no 'fault' apart from players seeing better facilities & perceived better prospects. Even though the EFL trophy has been an omni shambles it has been interesting to see that some champ clubs have cat 1 academies & some don't. There are even 1 or 2 champ clubs I think that don't even have cat 2 academies. But surely this is a long term project as the ground itself will take around a year to get up and running fully and then years for the Academy to produce the next Locks/Ellis(!), it could be 3 to 5 years before we see any real benefits if the investment on the pitch, I can't see that keeping us in Div 1 in the next couple of seasons. I just can't see Wael spending £1m+ on a training facility if he's not still confident the UWE will go ahead sometime soon as this is money he's investing he's unlikely to get back w/o the new stadium being built. So question for you Topper Gas - what do you think is more important for attracting the best L1 players to our club (in order to challenge in L1), training facilities or stadium?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 21, 2016 11:18:36 GMT
Training facilities could be ready by the summer so will be available from the start of a new player's career with us. The stadium won't be ready for maybe two seasons so if a new player signs a deal for one or two seasons they will not benefit directly from a new stadium.
Would be a different story in 2018 and will be a major pull in 2019 (on current plans). Our league position would be important too!
As for the Academy, it is a long term project that needs to start ASAP to bear fruit sooner. No point waiting a couple of years as that will add a couple of years further on before we start to benefit.
I'm sure Wael and the board are capable of thinking about more than one thing at a time.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 21, 2016 11:22:54 GMT
Is there any plans for this site. I keep seeing 'state of the art' quoted but from what I've read we seem to be building a clubhouse next to some existing sports pitches? I know they are building a stand for Santa's grotto to be placed on
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Dec 21, 2016 11:48:52 GMT
agree it is not pointless at all In fact I'd say it's more important in the short run (& then very imp in the long run as well) as it should help us keep competitive in lge 1. Facilities are VERY important for players and staff. They are human and all want good facilities to work in because ultimately this is work for them. The Academy system is sadly a huge part of football now and until we sort our facilities out we will forever be losing our best prospects to higher grade academies for no 'fault' apart from players seeing better facilities & perceived better prospects. Even though the EFL trophy has been an omni shambles it has been interesting to see that some champ clubs have cat 1 academies & some don't. There are even 1 or 2 champ clubs I think that don't even have cat 2 academies. But surely this is a long term project as the ground itself will take around a year to get up and running fully and then years for the Academy to produce the next Locks/Ellis(!), it could be 3 to 5 years before we see any real benefits if the investment on the pitch, I can't see that keeping us in Div 1 in the next couple of seasons. I just can't see Wael spending £1m+ on a training facility if he's not still confident the UWE will go ahead sometime soon as this is money he's investing he's unlikely to get back w/o the new stadium being built. You are right. The academy is a long term project and we won't see the positive effects for at least 2-3 years (possibly 5yrs). But the training ground is both a short and long term project The main benefit of it is not necessarily to develop and improve players but to attract them, as others have said. Nobody from a prem or championship club with decent facilities is going to want to come and join a lge 1 club with sunday league facilities. UTG!
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Post by countygroundhotel on Dec 21, 2016 11:58:53 GMT
Is there any plans for this site. I keep seeing 'state of the art' quoted but from what I've read we seem to be building a clubhouse next to some existing sports pitches? I'm told that the grass will be as green, if not greener, than anyone else's grass.
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Post by philbemmygas on Dec 21, 2016 12:26:46 GMT
In an average week, the players will spend longer on the training facilities than they will at the stadium. The whole day to day running would be based there, provision of catering, medical and administrative facilities this would make it as equally important as a new stadium in my opinion.
The sooner it is operational the better in terms of recruitment and retention of players at all levels.
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Post by northsidegas on Dec 21, 2016 12:36:13 GMT
What training ground?? Cant see nothing about a training ground on the official site..? 👀
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Post by peterparker on Dec 21, 2016 12:37:35 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2016 12:57:23 GMT
But surely this is a long term project as the ground itself will take around a year to get up and running fully and then years for the Academy to produce the next Locks/Ellis(!), it could be 3 to 5 years before we see any real benefits if the investment on the pitch, I can't see that keeping us in Div 1 in the next couple of seasons. I just can't see Wael spending £1m+ on a training facility if he's not still confident the UWE will go ahead sometime soon as this is money he's investing he's unlikely to get back w/o the new stadium being built. So question for you Topper Gas - what do you think is more important for attracting the best L1 players to our club (in order to challenge in L1), training facilities or stadium? I'm not a top L1 player so can't really answer that question but if I'd travelled down from say Bolton or MK Dons and saw the Mem I doubt I'd be rushing to sign for us regardless as to how nice our training ground looked. Although, if I was the father of a young player then a decent training ground probably would impress me more than a decent stadium but having both like the 82'ers/Soton/Cardiff etc would impress me even more! My point is I can't see Wael spending a fortune on a training ground if his plans for a new stadium aren't advanced, as there's no point in having a Championship squad whilst playing at the Mem, unless he just wants to set up nursery club for Championship clubs which seems unlikely
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 21, 2016 13:26:35 GMT
So question for you Topper Gas - what do you think is more important for attracting the best L1 players to our club (in order to challenge in L1), training facilities or stadium? I'm not a top L1 player so can't really answer that question but if I'd travelled down from say Bolton or MK Dons and saw the Mem I doubt I'd be rushing to sign for us regardless as to how nice our training ground looked. Although, if I was the father of a young player then a decent training ground probably would impress me more than a decent stadium but having both like the 82'ers/Soton/Cardiff etc would impress me even more! My point is I can't see Wael spending a fortune on a training ground if his plans for a new stadium aren't advanced, as there's no point in having a Championship squad whilst playing at the Mem, unless he just wants to set up nursery club for Championship clubs which seems unlikely or the Jordan FA.......
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Post by gasincider on Dec 21, 2016 13:43:27 GMT
So James McNamara tells us we have bought the training ground and steve Hamer says we haven't.
Well done Evil Post.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Dec 21, 2016 13:50:07 GMT
Pretty sure it's a done deal
Much like Sainsbury's buying the Mem
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Post by garystash on Dec 21, 2016 14:18:47 GMT
So question for you Topper Gas - what do you think is more important for attracting the best L1 players to our club (in order to challenge in L1), training facilities or stadium? I'm not a top L1 player so can't really answer that question but if I'd travelled down from say Bolton or MK Dons and saw the Mem I doubt I'd be rushing to sign for us regardless as to how nice our training ground looked. Although, if I was the father of a young player then a decent training ground probably would impress me more than a decent stadium but having both like the 82'ers/Soton/Cardiff etc would impress me even more! My point is I can't see Wael spending a fortune on a training ground if his plans for a new stadium aren't advanced, as there's no point in having a Championship squad whilst playing at the Mem, unless he just wants to set up nursery club for Championship clubs which seems unlikely You may well be right, which could be why the club seem cagey at best with any announcements about the training ground.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 21, 2016 14:23:43 GMT
Pretty sure it's a done deal Much like Sainsbury's buying the Mem True, I guess it is a deal in principle. I doubt 'we' would want to buy the land if we didn't get the PP we wanted
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Post by alvestongas on Dec 21, 2016 16:15:53 GMT
It's not a site that would easily get PP for residential or industrial use & no one would want to live there as the noise from the M4/5 interchange is never ending.
It's basically agricultural land that's been used for sports pitches.
So my point is it's highly unlikely the owner could get more for it than we are prepared to pay as in reality, other than another professional sports club, who could really make use of it?
Hoping to hear we have purchased within a month or two.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 17:06:35 GMT
Is it getting built or not?
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