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Post by UpTheGas on Dec 18, 2016 19:55:44 GMT
I hadn't posted on here for ages so thought I'd return earlier this week to see what was going on. Wish I hadn't after reading this and a handful of the replies.
I genuinely think some people are only happy when they are moaning, which is depressing. It has to be instant success, and if that doesn't happen then something is fundamentally wrong at the very top of the football club. Get a grip, for **** sake.
WAQ doesn't go to every game because he lives in Jordan. Do people honestly think he's going to fly to and from for every single game? Ridiculous. The guy is transforming this football club the right way, so lets not get on his back because the team are suffering a poor run of form.
I'm confident DC was given the backing he wanted in the summer and could have had a larger budget, but chose to stick with the guys that got us here in the first place. They've all had 6 months in League One and a lot of them aren't good enough to challenge for the top six as Darrell would like - they will be moved on and new players will come into replace them. I thought it was pretty obvious, but clearly not to some.
We're in the top half of League One with a squad that isn't really up to competing at the top of this division. Imagine how good we can be with the improvements that will come in January and next summer, on top of (hopefully) some good news regarding the stadium and training ground.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 19:59:41 GMT
Think it's time for me to take a break from here for a few weeks , this has now become a joke of a forum with some of the sh** being spouted on here, a lot of you have to sit back and take stock of where we have been over the past few years , you might not even of had a team to be slagging off if things went the other way at Wembley. Absolute belters , and you say the sh** have vile support, we are having our first wobble under the new regime and the knives are out , grow up ffs !!! Merry Christmas UTG !!! No need to take a break. It's only a handful of posters who crave attention so much that they will post anything to get it. This is a classic hindsight thread from a poster who has some serious emotional swings on a weekly basis. The few supporters of this thread are always armed and ready for anything negative that involves us. Due to the low number of active posters, it's easy to spot each group. Just counter the topic with the obvious...If you can be bothered!
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Post by garystash on Dec 18, 2016 20:01:33 GMT
Question for you @1973 , what are your expectations for this season? i am hoping for a mid table finish but would settle for anything other than a relegation dogfight Me too. The current run is worrying, but I'm confident we will achieve that mid-table placing. I also think DC has the support of the board. I wouldn't read too much into his bottom 8 budget comment. January is difficult enought time to do business, without telling all the sharks you got pots of cash.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 20:10:46 GMT
i am hoping for a mid table finish but would settle for anything other than a relegation dogfight Me too. The current run is worrying, but I'm confident we will achieve that mid-table placing. I also think DC has the support of the board. I wouldn't read too much into his bottom 8 budget comment. January is difficult enought time to do business, without telling all the sharks you got pots of cash. yes thats a fair point about "pots of cash" i just feel getting so many young players on loan was a bad mistake,we should have secured more experience to blend with say a couple of youngsters on loan.
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Post by xplosivgas on Dec 18, 2016 20:24:58 GMT
In my view 99% of the success and feel-good factor around the club so far has been down to the wizardry of DC. Don't get me wrong, the takeover generated extra hope and expectation - but the money paid out for re-signing our better players etc I suspect was covered by the higher gates we've enjoyed over the past couple years.
I want to believe Wael will be the one to stabilise the club and take us to the next level, but I'd say at this moment I'm 50/50 as to whether it'll happen. I suppose over the next 9 months or so we will find out.
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Post by gasincider on Dec 18, 2016 21:24:51 GMT
Easy one that. Higgs and his fellow directors have not yet been paid off, just ask them. They will be paid once the new stadium is built and the Mem sold. As for investment : truth is we haven't paid out for a training ground yet, nor indeed the UWE. What has cost money is the new staffing, together with costs for ongoing issues regarding both grounds. Its now that we shall see what is meant by investment in the team. As for me, I would buy no one, but loan the sort of players we need like a centre forward, a commanding centre back, AND A NEW GOALKEEPER. We won't get value for money in January. Then in the summer start the serious recruitment. You are quite wrong - they all reached a settlement - whoever you have listened to is lying. Sorry. If the former directors themselves are lying, so be it. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PAID OFF.
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Post by aghast on Dec 18, 2016 21:34:45 GMT
You are quite wrong - they all reached a settlement - whoever you have listened to is lying. Sorry. If the former directors themselves are lying, so be it. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PAID OFF. I assume though that Nick Higgs is not about to sue Wael for his settlement. Unless there is some implication that the new owners have not honoured agreements, then if the deal agreed with the former directors is proceeding as planned, then what is the issue?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2016 21:42:42 GMT
Hopefully the OP is a small minority. We've hit a bad run after a good start to the season. It sounds like we are planning to strengthen when the transfer window opens. DC has to work with the squad he has in the meantime. Why don't we all see what happens in January and in the meantime give the current squad our full backing. That's the best thing we can do to help improve results. Think we'll see Wael's true position over the coming months as he'll need to spend some decent money in January and, hopefully, retain MT's services, if we are not going to get dragged into a relegation fight, plsu purchase the training ground and then start work on it and, surely, make come to some decision on the UWE. At the moment apart from sorting out the MPS loan there's no obvious signs Wael's spent a great deal at Rovers that the increased s/t sales/attendances haven't paid for themselves. As ever it seems at Rovers it's interesting times!
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Post by gasincider on Dec 18, 2016 21:43:29 GMT
So what you are saying gasincider, is that wael & co haven't actually parted with any cash yet? Obviously assuming the mps loan has just been moved rather than paid off? Also if they are waiting for the mem to be sold and any new stadium to be built to pay off the previous board, what happens if uwe falls through and a new site proves difficult or wael gets fed up and wants out? I don't know the position with regard to the MSP loan other than it is no longer within the club accounts. In other words, it's either a liability against Dwayne Sports or against Waels own personal balance sheet. As I understand it, GD and one other former large shareholder were repaid on takeover. The others have to wait. There are obviously guarantees to the former directors as to how they get repaid, but I don't care about them. So far, Wael has done nowt wrong, and has in fact been a breath of fresh air. Some funds have been spent tarting up the Mem, and I have no issue with that, other than I don't see the point in the new gates, but suppose they can be moved to any new site. Just don't see why we have had them now. As I say, if we assume the profit from Chelsea is about £400k we have not spent that in additional outlay as yet. The time to see the ambition of our new owners is now fast approaching. The honeymoon is as sure as hell over, due to our recent results. I just hope we don't chuck good money out in transfer fees in January, as that is not the time to rebuild. That is the time to get the correct loans in to stabilise our position. In other words, sign a decent TALL striker and commanding TALL centre back, as we offer no threat at free kicks and corners, and a decent goalkeeper. Then in the summer start a proper rebuild with players who are then available. Then its its up to DC to go back to basics by playing a team with the option of width every game, and cut out the ridiculous changes that he makes every week ( other than yesterday).
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Post by Jomo on Dec 18, 2016 22:45:33 GMT
It's amazing how some people state they'd be happy with a midtable finish, and yet fly off the handle at the first sign of bad form. Do these people not realise that a midtable team actually loses several games in a season? Trouble with some football fans is they can never be satisfied. If we were in the Prem and losing most weeks, the same lot would still moan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 22:52:35 GMT
Think it's time for me to take a break from here for a few weeks , this has now become a joke of a forum with some of the sh** being spouted on here, a lot of you have to sit back and take stock of where we have been over the past few years , you might not even of had a team to be slagging off if things went the other way at Wembley. Absolute belters , and you say the sh** have vile support, we are having our first wobble under the new regime and the knives are out , grow up ffs !!! Merry Christmas UTG !!! No need to take a break. It's only a handful of posters who crave attention so much that they will post anything to get it. This is a classic hindsight thread from a poster who has some serious emotional swings on a weekly basis. The few supporters of this thread are always armed and ready for anything negative that involves us. Due to the low number of active posters, it's easy to spot each group. Just counter the topic with the obvious...If you can be bothered! but if you look at my "terrible truth about the new signings" thread which i posted in early sept you will clearly see this isnt a hindsight thread,you wont bother of course because it dosnt suit your own agenda/bias. what group are you in?
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Dec 19, 2016 1:31:40 GMT
Belters! Belters everywhere!
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Post by Langford Gas on Dec 19, 2016 5:51:20 GMT
So what you are saying gasincider, is that wael & co haven't actually parted with any cash yet? Obviously assuming the mps loan has just been moved rather than paid off? Also if they are waiting for the mem to be sold and any new stadium to be built to pay off the previous board, what happens if uwe falls through and a new site proves difficult or wael gets fed up and wants out? I don't know the position with regard to the MSP loan other than it is no longer within the club accounts. In other words, it's either a liability against Dwayne Sports or against Waels own personal balance sheet. As I understand it, GD and one other former large shareholder were repaid on takeover. The others have to wait. There are obviously guarantees to the former directors as to how they get repaid, but I don't care about them. So far, Wael has done nowt wrong, and has in fact been a breath of fresh air. Some funds have been spent tarting up the Mem, and I have no issue with that, other than I don't see the point in the new gates, but suppose they can be moved to any new site. Just don't see why we have had them now. As I say, if we assume the profit from Chelsea is about £400k we have not spent that in additional outlay as yet. The time to see the ambition of our new owners is now fast approaching. The honeymoon is as sure as hell over, due to our recent results. I just hope we don't chuck good money out in transfer fees in January, as that is not the time to rebuild. That is the time to get the correct loans in to stabilise our position. In other words, sign a decent TALL striker and commanding TALL centre back, as we offer no threat at free kicks and corners, and a decent goalkeeper. Then in the summer start a proper rebuild with players who are then available. Then its its up to DC to go back to basics by playing a team with the option of width every game, and cut out the ridiculous changes that he makes every week ( other than yesterday). With regards to the MSP loan as far as i am aware it was a secured loan, if it has been moved some other form of acceptable security would have to be agreed and the loan would have to be serviced from somewhere ? I'm pretty sure i remember; 1. someone doing a land registry/credit check type search which revealed it was no longer secured against the Mem. 2. Wael said shortly after taking over the loan was cleared as the ridiculously high interest rates weren't sustainable. does anyone else recall this ? If this is correct then someone somehow has cleared the debt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 8:25:17 GMT
No need to take a break. It's only a handful of posters who crave attention so much that they will post anything to get it. This is a classic hindsight thread from a poster who has some serious emotional swings on a weekly basis. The few supporters of this thread are always armed and ready for anything negative that involves us. Due to the low number of active posters, it's easy to spot each group. Just counter the topic with the obvious...If you can be bothered! but if you look at my "terrible truth about the new signings" thread which i posted in early sept you will clearly see this isnt a hindsight thread,you wont bother of course because it dosnt suit your own agenda/bias. what group are you in? Most of your recent posts have been based on hindsight. It would be more credible if you dragged up a thread from the beginning of the season with the same doubts and criticism of our recruitment... I try to keep up with most threads and in terms of bias, I would side with DC atm due to his performance over the last 2 1/2 years, he has deserved it. As for groups, I put myself in a part time passive contributor group. There are some people on here that are very quick to get the knives out indeed! We have had a bad month and you'd have thought we were staring extinction in the face again.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 19, 2016 8:30:40 GMT
No need to take a break. It's only a handful of posters who crave attention so much that they will post anything to get it. This is a classic hindsight thread from a poster who has some serious emotional swings on a weekly basis. The few supporters of this thread are always armed and ready for anything negative that involves us. Due to the low number of active posters, it's easy to spot each group. Just counter the topic with the obvious...If you can be bothered! but if you look at my "terrible truth about the new signings" thread which i posted in early sept you will clearly see this isnt a hindsight thread,you wont bother of course because it dosnt suit your own agenda/bias. what group are you in? But you also started a thread saying what a good job DC did in not signing LDV & Dawson?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 19, 2016 8:33:55 GMT
I don't know the position with regard to the MSP loan other than it is no longer within the club accounts. In other words, it's either a liability against Dwayne Sports or against Waels own personal balance sheet. As I understand it, GD and one other former large shareholder were repaid on takeover. The others have to wait. There are obviously guarantees to the former directors as to how they get repaid, but I don't care about them. So far, Wael has done nowt wrong, and has in fact been a breath of fresh air. Some funds have been spent tarting up the Mem, and I have no issue with that, other than I don't see the point in the new gates, but suppose they can be moved to any new site. Just don't see why we have had them now. As I say, if we assume the profit from Chelsea is about £400k we have not spent that in additional outlay as yet. The time to see the ambition of our new owners is now fast approaching. The honeymoon is as sure as hell over, due to our recent results. I just hope we don't chuck good money out in transfer fees in January, as that is not the time to rebuild. That is the time to get the correct loans in to stabilise our position. In other words, sign a decent TALL striker and commanding TALL centre back, as we offer no threat at free kicks and corners, and a decent goalkeeper. Then in the summer start a proper rebuild with players who are then available. Then its its up to DC to go back to basics by playing a team with the option of width every game, and cut out the ridiculous changes that he makes every week ( other than yesterday). With regards to the MSP loan as far as i am aware it was a secured loan, if it has been moved some other form of acceptable security would have to be agreed and the loan would have to be serviced from somewhere ? I'm pretty sure i remember; 1. someone doing a land registry/credit check type search which revealed it was no longer secured against the Mem. 2. Wael said shortly after taking over the loan was cleared as the ridiculously high interest rates weren't sustainable. does anyone else recall this ? If this is correct then someone somehow has cleared the debt. Gasincider already answered that point earlier with "I don't know the position with regard to the MSP loan other than it is no longer within the club accounts. In other words, it's either a liability against Dwayne Sports or against Waels own personal balance sheet." If Wael is running the club as a business rather than a hobby then the loan payment must be somewhere, probably still incurring interest of some kind, as why would any business just write off a loan when they can offset the interest charges against any future profits?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:50:58 GMT
but if you look at my "terrible truth about the new signings" thread which i posted in early sept you will clearly see this isnt a hindsight thread,you wont bother of course because it dosnt suit your own agenda/bias. what group are you in? Most of your recent posts have been based on hindsight. It would be more credible if you dragged up a thread from the beginning of the season with the same doubts and criticism of our recruitment... I try to keep up with most threads and in terms of bias, I would side with DC atm due to his performance over the last 2 1/2 years, he has deserved it. As for groups, I put myself in a part time passive contributor group. There are some people on here that are very quick to get the knives out indeed! We have had a bad month and you'd have thought we were staring extinction in the face again. ref hinsight,i made my doubts about our recruitment clear very early and this thread is really about our very poor recruitment this season and reliance on very inexperienced players to strengthen the promotion squad,it dosnt tie in with a wealthy chairman pushing the club on in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:59:34 GMT
but if you look at my "terrible truth about the new signings" thread which i posted in early sept you will clearly see this isnt a hindsight thread,you wont bother of course because it dosnt suit your own agenda/bias. what group are you in? But you also started a thread saying what a good job DC did in not signing LDV & Dawson? well if they were starring for say peterborough and sheff utd i would what a stupid thread but ldv and dawson are not even playing league football! the managers recruitment after relegation was outstanding but this season its been poor,in fact his lack of enthusiasm for playing the new recruits makes me doubt how much he was involved in bringing them to the club.
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Post by Langford Gas on Dec 19, 2016 10:36:53 GMT
With regards to the MSP loan as far as i am aware it was a secured loan, if it has been moved some other form of acceptable security would have to be agreed and the loan would have to be serviced from somewhere ? I'm pretty sure i remember; 1. someone doing a land registry/credit check type search which revealed it was no longer secured against the Mem. 2. Wael said shortly after taking over the loan was cleared as the ridiculously high interest rates weren't sustainable. does anyone else recall this ? If this is correct then someone somehow has cleared the debt. Gasincider already answered that point earlier with "I don't know the position with regard to the MSP loan other than it is no longer within the club accounts. In other words, it's either a liability against Dwayne Sports or against Waels own personal balance sheet." If Wael is running the club as a business rather than a hobby then the loan payment must be somewhere, probably still incurring interest of some kind, as why would any business just write off a loan when they can offset the interest charges against any future profits?
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Post by Langford Gas on Dec 19, 2016 10:41:36 GMT
Gasincider already answered that point earlier with "I don't know the position with regard to the MSP loan other than it is no longer within the club accounts. In other words, it's either a liability against Dwayne Sports or against Waels own personal balance sheet." If Wael is running the club as a business rather than a hobby then the loan payment must be somewhere, probably still incurring interest of some kind, as why would any business just write off a loan when they can offset the interest charges against any future profits? I wasn't challenging Gasincider merely using it for reference and think either i have not made my point clearly or you are missing it . Wael said that the interest rates were unsustainable so i can't imagine he would transfer it anywhere else as it would still have to be serviced and as it is no longer secured against the mem my conclusion based on just how little we know is that it was cleared and MSP are no longer an entity as far as the club or Wael are concerned. I guess though that the amount to secure could be on Dwane sports books as an unsecured loan ?
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