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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 11:24:01 GMT
We have looked decidedly ropey recently, especially at the back.
I have heard a lot of grumbling about Clarke and being bood at Shrews surprised me. This is the double promotion team. It's like all the things I hated about BCFC, we are becoming. Applause can be voluntary but we only lost 2-0 away.
Are we a bit accustomed to success? Many are saying "look where we are v the last couple of years, still pretty good. I agree, it's not too bad considering we are new comers to league 1.
Personally, I do not believe this is a "blip". I think we are at the very limit of what this squad can achieve, and DC is new to this level. He might need a year to nail it.
Anyhow, I started thinking about how far my loyalty to Clarke extends and I would not question his position this season unless we are relegated. He has masses in the bank for me.
We need, for once, to back our man. Why can't we introduce continuity? Form will peak and trough, but Clarke has proven he is the right man. He has energy and ambition. Let the club learn with Clarke, let's bring him through as a long term man.
What has happened recently is he stuck with the players who won him promotion and I approve of this. Many have not delivered. They have been given a chance, some just aren't up to progressing in l1 or need more development.
If we can't get behind Clarke then we will forever be fickle fans. What more can he do to get backing from fans?
All pull together, you can't get perma success but you can build a solid club with the right work ethic, and DC does that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 11:27:11 GMT
I wouldn't question his position even if we went down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 11:31:22 GMT
I wouldn't question his position even if we went down. He would have to be questioned if we were relegated goes without saying to be honest , it's a results business which he will have to be judged on . |
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 18, 2016 11:37:02 GMT
We have looked decidedly ropey recently, especially at the back. I have heard a lot of grumbling about Clarke and being bood at Shrews surprised me. This is the double promotion team. It's like all the things I hated about BCFC, we are becoming. Applause can be voluntary but we only lost 2-0 away. Are we a bit accustomed to success? Many are saying "look where we are v the last couple of years, still pretty good. I agree, it's not too bad considering we are new comers to league 1. Personally, I do not believe this is a "blip". I think we are at the very limit of what this squad can achieve, and DC is new to this level. He might need a year to nail it. Anyhow, I started thinking about how far my loyalty to Clarke extends and I would not question his position this season unless we are relegated. He has masses in the bank for me. We need, for once, to back our man. Why can't we introduce continuity? Form will peak and trough, but Clarke has proven he is the right man. He has energy and ambition. Let the club learn with Clarke, let's bring him through as a long term man. What has happened recently is he stuck with the players who won him promotion and I approve of this. Many have not delivered. They have been given a chance, some just aren't up to progressing in l1 or need more development. If we can't get behind Clarke then we will forever be fickle fans. What more can he do to get backing from fans? All pull together, you can't get perma success but you can build a solid club with the right work ethic, and DC does that. we lost 2 0 to the bottom club and they had 4 players out,we looked like the bottom team with no fight not them I love DC without him and a bit of luck that game v barrow would be a league game |
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Post by socrates on Dec 18, 2016 11:47:05 GMT
We are falling like a stone because we aren't playing any wide men we so easy to play against we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve.
Anything but the diamond.
The players are good enough for league 1 and with a few additions we could challenge for a top six but not if we keep playing the diamond.
We desperately need a good experienced keeper too of course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 11:55:38 GMT
We are falling like a stone because we aren't playing any wide men we so easy to play against we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve. Anything but the diamond. The players are good enough for league 1 and with a few additions we could challenge for a top six but not if we keep playing the diamond. We desperately need a good experienced keeper too of course. "we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve." We played 4-4-2 at home to Charlton, we lost 1-5. |
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Post by bluegas on Dec 18, 2016 11:57:36 GMT
Were you there? I booed. Not the defeat. The nature of it. I've tried to be supportive but that was one too many. Whatever the reasons it was unacceptable for the 1500 who bothered to spend their limited cash going. It needs sorting & if radical action is needed DC shouldn't baulk at it and I don't believe he will.
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Post by nolongernonleaguegas on Dec 18, 2016 12:00:35 GMT
Mid table league one side. WHY ARE PEOPLE MOANING
Up the gas !
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Post by socrates on Dec 18, 2016 12:05:31 GMT
We are falling like a stone because we aren't playing any wide men we so easy to play against we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve. Anything but the diamond. The players are good enough for league 1 and with a few additions we could challenge for a top six but not if we keep playing the diamond. We desperately need a good experienced keeper too of course. "we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve." We played 4-4-2 at home to Charlton, we lost 1-5. No we were 2-0 down st half time playing 4-4-2 having created lots of chances but their keeper played very well, and we switched it all about and lost 5-1. Overall we've been much better when we've played wide men and using 45 minutes as an example is being a bit narrow minded , excuse the pun. |
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Post by bluegas on Dec 18, 2016 12:07:00 GMT
We are falling like a stone because we aren't playing any wide men we so easy to play against we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve. Anything but the diamond. The players are good enough for league 1 and with a few additions we could challenge for a top six but not if we keep playing the diamond. We desperately need a good experienced keeper too of course. "we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve." We played 4-4-2 at home to Charlton, we lost 1-5. What's The Diamond got to do with TL & WP completely ballsing up a simple clearance? Or JC persistently ignoring their winger? Pep Guardiola said recently it's players not systems. And what scintillating wide players have we got anyway? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 12:17:24 GMT
We have looked decidedly ropey recently, especially at the back. I have heard a lot of grumbling about Clarke and being bood at Shrews surprised me. This is the double promotion team. It's like all the things I hated about BCFC, we are becoming. Applause can be voluntary but we only lost 2-0 away. Are we a bit accustomed to success? Many are saying "look where we are v the last couple of years, still pretty good. I agree, it's not too bad considering we are new comers to league 1. Personally, I do not believe this is a "blip". I think we are at the very limit of what this squad can achieve, and DC is new to this level. He might need a year to nail it. Anyhow, I started thinking about how far my loyalty to Clarke extends and I would not question his position this season unless we are relegated. He has masses in the bank for me. We need, for once, to back our man. Why can't we introduce continuity? Form will peak and trough, but Clarke has proven he is the right man. He has energy and ambition. Let the club learn with Clarke, let's bring him through as a long term man. What has happened recently is he stuck with the players who won him promotion and I approve of this. Many have not delivered. They have been given a chance, some just aren't up to progressing in l1 or need more development. If we can't get behind Clarke then we will forever be fickle fans. What more can he do to get backing from fans? All pull together, you can't get perma success but you can build a solid club with the right work ethic, and DC does that. we lost 2 0 to the bottom club and they had 4 players out,we looked like the bottom team with no fight not them I love DC without him and a bit of luck that game v barrow would be a league game Pretty shocking that you can attribute successive promotions to 'a bit of luck'. 11th in L1, as far as I'm concerned DC has as much time as he wants to sort it. Think he will over January. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 12:27:58 GMT
Mid table league one side. WHY ARE PEOPLE MOANING Up the gas ! We are mid-table only because of a decent start to the season but on current form we're relegation zone. If this form continues we will be relegated. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 12:36:15 GMT
We have looked decidedly ropey recently, especially at the back. I have heard a lot of grumbling about Clarke and being bood at Shrews surprised me. This is the double promotion team. It's like all the things I hated about BCFC, we are becoming. Applause can be voluntary but we only lost 2-0 away. Are we a bit accustomed to success? Many are saying "look where we are v the last couple of years, still pretty good. I agree, it's not too bad considering we are new comers to league 1. Personally, I do not believe this is a "blip". I think we are at the very limit of what this squad can achieve, and DC is new to this level. He might need a year to nail it. Anyhow, I started thinking about how far my loyalty to Clarke extends and I would not question his position this season unless we are relegated. He has masses in the bank for me. We need, for once, to back our man. Why can't we introduce continuity? Form will peak and trough, but Clarke has proven he is the right man. He has energy and ambition. Let the club learn with Clarke, let's bring him through as a long term man. What has happened recently is he stuck with the players who won him promotion and I approve of this. Many have not delivered. They have been given a chance, some just aren't up to progressing in l1 or need more development. If we can't get behind Clarke then we will forever be fickle fans. What more can he do to get backing from fans? All pull together, you can't get perma success but you can build a solid club with the right work ethic, and DC does that. 100% accurate from my point of view.
We all knew this squad has overachieved and maybe reached as far as they can go as a squad. Mid division in league one is a dream as far as I can see when I look back over the past 4/5 seasons. That may well be in the past but people should stop and take a look at who exactly has took us from that dark era. Those same players and manager who went on those winning runs are know on a losing run. That's football. The aim this season would be to retain League one status and build upon for next season. That aim is still on! Perhaps if we hovered around lower mid table from august then the questions would not be so obvious! To me it is all about expectations and mine are in control!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 12:38:40 GMT
"we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve." We played 4-4-2 at home to Charlton, we lost 1-5. No we were 2-0 down st half time playing 4-4-2 having created lots of chances but their keeper played very well, and we switched it all about and lost 5-1. Overall we've been much better when we've played wide men and using 45 minutes as an example is being a bit narrow minded , excuse the pun. We lost again playing 4-4-2 shipping in 3 goals against Chesterfield, is there going to be another excuse why we can't use this game as an example? |
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Post by wiaww on Dec 18, 2016 12:38:51 GMT
I don't think the boos were about the result but rather the abject performance. Clarke himself said that the boos were justified because of the complete lack of effort from some on the pitch yesterday. As he mentioned in his interview, we lost up at Sheffield United but the players left the pitch to a standing ovation because they fought like warriors. There was no heart in that performance and it was gutting. When you spend 8 hours in the car and God knows how much money and the most exciting thing that happened was a Gaffney shot off target then it's pretty hard to stomach.
I was bored yesterday and for me that's the worst part of it all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 12:41:00 GMT
We are falling like a stone because we aren't playing any wide men we so easy to play against we need to play either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 and results will improve. Anything but the diamond. The players are good enough for league 1 and with a few additions we could challenge for a top six but not if we keep playing the diamond. We desperately need a good experienced keeper too of course. We need a new spine. Plain and simple. Goalkeeper, centre half, holding midfielder and striker. Add pace to that as well.
I think DC tinkers with the team because he can see the failings coming. not because he wants to keep other teams guessing as has been said many times by people. The wide men should be an option but look at the wide men we have! Montano has a bit of pace......he is playing it narrow because those he has put the faith in can no longer do it. imo.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 18, 2016 12:57:27 GMT
Mid table league one side. WHY ARE PEOPLE MOANING Up the gas ! We are mid-table only because of a decent start to the season but on current form we're relegation zone. If this form continues we will be relegated. And if we kept the start of the season form up there's a good chance we'd get promoted. Blips happen, Rovers fans are too fickle to see that. |
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Post by lpgas on Dec 18, 2016 12:57:36 GMT
I didn't go although I wanted to. I don't think we have played well for about six weeks. I'm not sure that we will do too much in January. And though I really like DC I have a nagging doubt in my mind about players he might bring in. Firstly I don't think he would recognise a good goalie even if he was bitten by one. Secondly I haven't been impressed by his 2 permanent signings. Moore rarely plays and Hartley is a liability at the moment. Due to his every gets a contract promise, which works well at non league level we have a large squad which is costing a lot of money and a big chunk of that squad will not play for the team again. I'm thinking Gosling and Mc Crystal and Lawrence. They are not doing us any good and we are not doing them any favours either. Then we have another group who reached their level on the last day of last season. Bolton and Charlton have shown us how far we have to go to be successful and I think we will have to wait for some time . But right now he needs another centre half a left back and a midfielder.
As for today he should have had Monty on the bench and gone for a 4 4 2. For once keeping the same team was the wrong decision
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 18, 2016 13:37:14 GMT
we lost 2 0 to the bottom club and they had 4 players out,we looked like the bottom team with no fight not them I love DC without him and a bit of luck that game v barrow would be a league game Pretty shocking that you can attribute successive promotions to 'a bit of luck'. 11th in L1, as far as I'm concerned DC has as much time as he wants to sort it. Think he will over January. we were lucky,play off final Grimsby were the better side and the clown in goal was lucky not to get a red And we were lucky going up last season with the last kick of the game,I'm not knocking DC at all he's the best thing that's happened to this club for years but we have to spend money at this level No point him saying at the end of the season,I'm disappointed that we've been relegated but we're brush ourselves down and go again If we continue this bad form it won't take long till we're in a dog fight the bottom clubs are all starting to win and scrap for their lives,we need some quality to be comfortable and build for seasons ahead |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2016 13:42:31 GMT
All the posters now saying DC should have gone 4 4 2, how many were saying that before 3pm yesterday??
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