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Post by madgas on Jan 8, 2017 11:01:13 GMT
Here's an idea. Swap the Mem for the UWE plot so they can build a massive student housing complex and sports facility right at the top of Gloucester Road. The pitch can be maintained for rugby matches and they'll have a great plot for accommodation. Surely the mem site is worth more. Only very specific things could be put up in that UWE site. Whereas the mem has been given planning for a big stadium with flats and a supermarket in the past. That site is the clubs gold mine.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 8, 2017 11:03:08 GMT
I hope old gas is right. I have heard different. Whom from and when? Unless uwe are prepared to move from their demands there will be no deal. We have moved as far as we can. The stadium now depends on whether they are willing to accept our offer. There are no alternative sites, if uwe falls through the mem redevelopment is the most likely alternative. Events off the field also play a part here, we can't be in a situation where we are knocking on the championship door and a new stadium is 5-7 years away. We need to play with the cards we have, yes the uwe is preferable but if it isn't to be the land we already own is the logical alternative.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 8, 2017 11:06:10 GMT
The idea that we could build anything bigger than Santa's Grotto at the Mem without clawing through the massed, brain-eating, undead bodies of incensed Horfield residents, endlessly slogging through the revenant corpses of thousands of angry, selfish locals, struggling against a tide of zombie flesh yearning for an allotment-cycle-centre-unicorn-garden development for all eternity, is probably underestimating the scale of the issue. in planning terms largely irrelevant. A precedent has been set on that site in planning terms. Planning permission for a big redevelopment with student blocks, planning permission for the biggest supermarket in the city and a judicial review defeated opposing it. It would be a brave council who turned down a new redevelopment app knowing a challenge to a rejection would almost certainly succeed and the council tax payer picking up the associated legal costs.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 8, 2017 11:10:27 GMT
Unless uwe are prepared to move from their demands there will be no deal. We have moved as far as we can. The stadium now depends on whether they are willing to accept our offer. There are no alternative sites, if uwe falls through the mem redevelopment is the most likely alternative. Events off the field also play a part here, we can't be in a situation where we are knocking on the championship door and a new stadium is 5-7 years away. We need to play with the cards we have, yes the uwe is preferable but if it isn't to be the land we already own is the logical alternative. Sure I get that if that is your take on the matter and whilst I disagree the Mem is the solution I agree we need to get the ball rolling on a ground ASAP. Thing is you keep suggesting that you have some ITK information which contradicts what oldgas has said but haven't given us an idea of the source be it a club official, what a friend connected to the club has told you or someone with connections to the development of the ground, or if this is something that you've come to a logical conclusion on?
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 8, 2017 11:15:22 GMT
Unless uwe are prepared to move from their demands there will be no deal. We have moved as far as we can. The stadium now depends on whether they are willing to accept our offer. There are no alternative sites, if uwe falls through the mem redevelopment is the most likely alternative. Events off the field also play a part here, we can't be in a situation where we are knocking on the championship door and a new stadium is 5-7 years away. We need to play with the cards we have, yes the uwe is preferable but if it isn't to be the land we already own is the logical alternative. Sure I get that if that is your take on the matter and whilst I disagree the Mem is the solution I agree we need to get the ball rolling on a ground ASAP. Thing is you keep suggesting that you have some ITK information which contradicts what oldgas has said but haven't given us an idea of the source be it a club official, what a friend connected to the club has told you or someone with connections to the development of the ground, or if this is something that you've come to a logical conclusion on? I have heard this from a connected source, people have the choice to believe me or not to believe me. I am sharing what i have heard, people can make their own minds up but it seems to tie in with the silence on the matter.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 8, 2017 11:16:18 GMT
Unless uwe are prepared to move from their demands there will be no deal. We have moved as far as we can. The stadium now depends on whether they are willing to accept our offer. There are no alternative sites, if uwe falls through the mem redevelopment is the most likely alternative. Events off the field also play a part here, we can't be in a situation where we are knocking on the championship door and a new stadium is 5-7 years away. We need to play with the cards we have, yes the uwe is preferable but if it isn't to be the land we already own is the logical alternative. You haven't answered the question! You have simply restated your opinion. What Wael and Hamer have told one of our fans suggests that things have progressed beyond not agreeing the price. Why are you saying otherwise? Answer the original question and we might understand where you are coming from.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 8, 2017 11:22:21 GMT
Unless uwe are prepared to move from their demands there will be no deal. We have moved as far as we can. The stadium now depends on whether they are willing to accept our offer. There are no alternative sites, if uwe falls through the mem redevelopment is the most likely alternative. Events off the field also play a part here, we can't be in a situation where we are knocking on the championship door and a new stadium is 5-7 years away. We need to play with the cards we have, yes the uwe is preferable but if it isn't to be the land we already own is the logical alternative. You haven't answered the question! You have simply restated your opinion. What Wael and Hamer have told one of our fans suggests that things have progressed beyond not agreeing the price. Why are you saying otherwise? Answer the original question and we might understand where you are coming from. I doubt he will. Lots of posters hinting they know things or are privy to info but it's always just hinting ain't it ?
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Post by womble on Jan 8, 2017 11:26:26 GMT
Here's an idea. Swap the Mem for the UWE plot so they can build a massive student housing complex and sports facility right at the top of Gloucester Road. The pitch can be maintained for rugby matches and they'll have a great plot for accommodation. Surely the mem site is worth more. Only very specific things could be put up in that UWE site. Whereas the mem has been given planning for a big stadium with flats and a supermarket in the past. That site is the clubs gold mine. The Mem site may be worth more than the UWE site for housing, but the UWE site has already had planning permission in the past for industrial/business units. It has a current permission for a football stadium and I think it would be certain to get permission for housing or student accommodation. I think the UWE site is actually very flexible as far as uses go.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 8, 2017 11:30:26 GMT
Surely the mem site is worth more. Only very specific things could be put up in that UWE site. Whereas the mem has been given planning for a big stadium with flats and a supermarket in the past. That site is the clubs gold mine. The Mem site may be worth more than the UWE site for housing, but the UWE site has already had planning permission in the past for industrial/business units. It has a current permission for a football stadium and I think it would be certain to get permission for housing or student accommodation. I think the UWE site is actually very flexible as far as uses go. Exactly in a nutshell, uwe have options and we are only one of those. What's the point in just swapping one piece of land for another?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 11:37:22 GMT
You haven't answered the question! You have simply restated your opinion. What Wael and Hamer have told one of our fans suggests that things have progressed beyond not agreeing the price. Why are you saying otherwise? Answer the original question and we might understand where you are coming from. I doubt he will. Lots of posters hinting they know things or are privy to info but it's always just hinting ain't it ? So very much this!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 8, 2017 11:37:23 GMT
The idea that we could build anything bigger than Santa's Grotto at the Mem without clawing through the massed, brain-eating, undead bodies of incensed Horfield residents, endlessly slogging through the revenant corpses of thousands of angry, selfish locals, struggling against a tide of zombie flesh yearning for an allotment-cycle-centre-unicorn-garden development for all eternity, is probably underestimating the scale of the issue. in planning terms largely irrelevant. A precedent has been set on that site in planning terms. Planning permission for a big redevelopment with student blocks, planning permission for the biggest supermarket in the city and a judicial review defeated opposing it. It would be a brave council who turned down a new redevelopment app knowing a challenge to a rejection would almost certainly succeed and the council tax payer picking up the associated legal costs. You genuinely think that if we go for a new stadium PP in Horfield the locals won't fight us tooth and nail and that that fight won't be protracted?
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 8, 2017 11:41:10 GMT
in planning terms largely irrelevant. A precedent has been set on that site in planning terms. Planning permission for a big redevelopment with student blocks, planning permission for the biggest supermarket in the city and a judicial review defeated opposing it. It would be a brave council who turned down a new redevelopment app knowing a challenge to a rejection would almost certainly succeed and the council tax payer picking up the associated legal costs. You genuinely think that if we go for a new stadium PP in Horfield the locals won't fight us tooth and nail and that that fight won't be protracted? Yeah they probably will but they will lose.
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Post by bluegashead on Jan 8, 2017 11:47:07 GMT
If that true then there is only so far we could go so I hope that never happens otherwise it will be league 1 championship yoyo club Nonsense. Without the student accommodation from the original plans and filling in corners rather than using them for blocks of flats we could achieve 22k. Many clubs managing in the prem on that. It's not about capacity it's how you manage the TV money. We have no alternative site lined up. No deal with uwe means wait five years or possibly longer or get started on the mem within 6 months. I don't think it's nonsense, I beleive what I said, I don't think Bournemouth will be top flight for long because of their ground either. UWE or somwhere else but not a housing estate at the top of Gloucester Road with sh** parking, it's bad enough trying to find somwhere to park now what will it be like if we got 22,000?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 8, 2017 11:49:53 GMT
Nonsense. Without the student accommodation from the original plans and filling in corners rather than using them for blocks of flats we could achieve 22k. Many clubs managing in the prem on that. It's not about capacity it's how you manage the TV money. We have no alternative site lined up. No deal with uwe means wait five years or possibly longer or get started on the mem within 6 months. I don't think it's nonsense, I beleive what I said, I don't think Bournemouth will be top flight for long because of their ground either. UWE or somwhere else but not a housing estate at the top of Gloucester Road with sh** parking, it's bad enough trying to find somwhere to park now what will it be like if we got 22,000? Hang on. 22,000 PLUS residents parking zones applied and less capacity at the ground. On point about London clubs - the way people get around London vs Bristol is very very different. London has the underground network or trains to get pretty much anywhere, Bristol we have a diabolical bus network (metrobus won't help much with the mem)
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Post by oldgas on Jan 8, 2017 12:01:30 GMT
Sure I get that if that is your take on the matter and whilst I disagree the Mem is the solution I agree we need to get the ball rolling on a ground ASAP. Thing is you keep suggesting that you have some ITK information which contradicts what oldgas has said but haven't given us an idea of the source be it a club official, what a friend connected to the club has told you or someone with connections to the development of the ground, or if this is something that you've come to a logical conclusion on? I have heard this from a connected source, people have the choice to believe me or not to believe me. I am sharing what i have heard, people can make their own minds up but it seems to tie in with the silence on the matter. I spoke to the club chairman on 02/02/17. He told me the UWE project was good and an announcement was expected within a couple of weeks. That's all I can say. you have stated someone connected with the club has given you the information you have shared. If that person didn't want the information shared, he or she wouldn't have told you. Unless they asked you to protect their identity you are under no obligation to do so. I find this endlessly fascinating, so to help me and others evaluate the two sets of information please tell us how recent your information is, and the source of the information. Im not looking for a row here, just trying to evaluate all the evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 12:14:55 GMT
If that true then there is only so far we could go so I hope that never happens otherwise it will be league 1 championship yoyo club Oh? The stadium dictates the league position?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 8, 2017 12:34:50 GMT
I have heard this from a connected source, people have the choice to believe me or not to believe me. I am sharing what i have heard, people can make their own minds up but it seems to tie in with the silence on the matter. I spoke to the club chairman on 02/02/17. He told me the UWE project was good and an announcement was expected within a couple of weeks. That's all I can say. you have stated someone connected with the club has given you the information you have shared. If that person didn't want the information shared, he or she wouldn't have told you. Unless they asked you to protect their identity you are under no obligation to do so. I find this endlessly fascinating, so to help me and others evaluate the two sets of information please tell us how recent your information is, and the source of the information. Im not looking for a row here, just trying to evaluate all the evidence. Hamer told us 6 months or so ago the landing lights were on when they clearly hadn't been and that was on the radio, not a 1-2-1 discussion with a fan he could always deny took place. Until the club/UWE formally make an announcement I'd take what he says in private with a pinch of salt. What's interesting is there's now suddenly talk of developing the Mem from several sources, what's prompted that, are we just being set up now for bad news later this month? The problem with developing the Mem hasn't changed, financing any major development, car parking, restricted licensing laws, plus the addition now that we have to get pp all over again when the Green party is stronger than ever around the Mem.
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Post by bluegashead on Jan 8, 2017 12:37:55 GMT
If that true then there is only so far we could go so I hope that never happens otherwise it will be league 1 championship yoyo club Oh? The stadium dictates the league position? In the long term I think it will have alot to do with it yes
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 8, 2017 12:50:31 GMT
I have heard this from a connected source, people have the choice to believe me or not to believe me. I am sharing what i have heard, people can make their own minds up but it seems to tie in with the silence on the matter. I spoke to the club chairman on 02/02/17. He told me the UWE project was good and an announcement was expected within a couple of weeks. That's all I can say. you have stated someone connected with the club has given you the information you have shared. If that person didn't want the information shared, he or she wouldn't have told you. Unless they asked you to protect their identity you are under no obligation to do so. I find this endlessly fascinating, so to help me and others evaluate the two sets of information please tell us how recent your information is, and the source of the information. Im not looking for a row here, just trying to evaluate all the evidence. I see where you are coming from, we have both been told different things, one of us is right, I'm not saying i am right, i am just sharing what i have been told. Time will tell.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 8, 2017 12:54:27 GMT
I spoke to the club chairman on 02/02/17. He told me the UWE project was good and an announcement was expected within a couple of weeks. That's all I can say. you have stated someone connected with the club has given you the information you have shared. If that person didn't want the information shared, he or she wouldn't have told you. Unless they asked you to protect their identity you are under no obligation to do so. I find this endlessly fascinating, so to help me and others evaluate the two sets of information please tell us how recent your information is, and the source of the information. Im not looking for a row here, just trying to evaluate all the evidence. Hamer told us 6 months or so ago the landing lights were on when they clearly hadn't been and that was on the radio, not a 1-2-1 discussion with a fan he could always deny took place. Until the club/UWE formally make an announcement I'd take what he says in private with a pinch of salt. What's interesting is there's now suddenly talk of developing the Mem from several sources, what's prompted that, are we just being set up now for bad news later this month? The problem with developing the Mem hasn't changed, financing any major development, car parking, restricted licensing laws, plus the addition now that we have to get pp all over again when the Green party is stronger than ever around the Mem. The green party are a small minority on the council but will undoubtedly kick up a fuss. Pp shouldn't be a problem, the council can't turn down a similar application to what's been previously agreed unless there are any exceptional circumstances which there aren't. Car parking is a problem around ashton gate every game now, it's chaos but didn't stop that going ahead. Financing could be an issue yes. I think wael is going to need to decide if he wants to move the club forward, if he does it is going to cost.
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