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Post by gasincider on Jan 3, 2017 14:06:32 GMT
So much of this thread is hilarious especially the mammoth effort by Gregory Stephens. Were you there yesterday Greg? Let me tell that in the two pubs I went in, the consensus was we've come to a reserve game, and DC has lost the plot. You may not like to hear that, but it's what was being spoken of by the people that bothered to go and support the team.
The selection was a bloody nonsense, and it now seems that science has taken over team selection, so perhaps we don't need a manager. I assume it is therefore Dubey who now picks the team, and he sure as hell was the guy behind bringing in our new keeper.
Perhaps we therefore have a new manager but he just hasn't been confirmed yet.
As for Charlton, someone said they are a good side. Wake up and smell the coffee. Discount our two gimme games to them and see where they are. Not one of the last four teams we have played away to are any good, but we lost to all four of them, two will probably go down and the other two will be mid table. But we have given all of them major boosts because DC still doesn't know who his best team are.
Two of the players left out yesterday smiled and raised eyebrows when we asked them why they were out. One then said 'well, that's how it is'.
When Easter, who at least tried was substituted, he had a drink and then smashed his drink bottle into the dugout, so he wasn't best pleased.
If the reason for all this is because he is trying to keep a happy squad, then that is crap. His job is to try and win each game, and he will not succeed at this level unless he plays his best team, and he sure as hell won't get this level of away support again if we have to wonder if we will be watching a reserve game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:14:58 GMT
So much of this thread is hilarious especially the mammoth effort by Gregory Stephens. Were you there yesterday Greg? Let me tell that in the two pubs I went in, the consensus was we've come to a reserve game, and DC has lost the plot. You may not like to hear that, but it's what was being spoken of by the people that bothered to go and support the team. Yet we looked comfortable first half, up until the equaliser. Goals at 1-1 and 2-1 were the fault of an ever-present centre back, whilst the third is just poor closing and organisation. The selection raised eyebrows yes, but it wasn't the players brought in that were the problem. So should DC have made more changes??
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Post by gasstrictband on Jan 3, 2017 14:21:22 GMT
It was a classic kamikaze attack a direct hit with 1500 + survivers
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 3, 2017 14:22:54 GMT
So much of this thread is hilarious especially the mammoth effort by Gregory Stephens. Were you there yesterday Greg? Let me tell that in the two pubs I went in, the consensus was we've come to a reserve game, and DC has lost the plot. You may not like to hear that, but it's what was being spoken of by the people that bothered to go and support the team. The selection was a bloody nonsense, and it now seems that science has taken over team selection, so perhaps we don't need a manager. I assume it is therefore Dubey who now picks the team, and he sure as hell was the guy behind bringing in our new keeper. Perhaps we therefore have a new manager but he just hasn't been confirmed yet. As for Charlton, someone said they are a good side. Wake up and smell the coffee. Discount our two gimme games to them and see where they are. Not one of the last four teams we have played away to are any good, but we lost to all four of them, two will probably go down and the other two will be mid table. But we have given all of them major boosts because DC still doesn't know who his best team are. Two of the players left out yesterday smiled and raised eyebrows when we asked them why they were out. One then said 'well, that's how it is'. When Easter, who at least tried was substituted, he had a drink and then smashed his drink bottle into the dugout, so he wasn't best pleased. If the reason for all this is because he is trying to keep a happy squad, then that is crap. His job is to try and win each game, and he will not succeed at this level unless he plays his best team, and he sure as hell won't get this level of away support again if we have to wonder if we will be watching a reserve game. I disagree with this. His job is to try and finish as high as possible in each season. Would we have had our incredibly good run in at the end of the last two season and achieved promotion without DC's tinkering? We will never know, but I don't think it is a coincidence. Playing two games in 48 hours is a massive ask for any player, no matter how young or fit they are. One of the four outfield players who did this picked up an injury. Would he have got this injury had it not been his second game in 48 hours? Again, we will never know. I didn't go yesterday so I am not as frustrated as the people who went and spent their hard-earned money are. i salute you for that and I understand the frustration when you do this and the performance is p1sspoor. However, I think people need to look at the bigger picture rather than one 90 minutes of football. DC didn't select that team yesterday thinking they would play poorly and lose 4-1, but he maybe did have the whole season in mind rather than just one game. People suggesting that he should pick his strongest XI every game is just ludicrous, no team in the world does that and there is a reason for that. UTG!
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 3, 2017 14:23:08 GMT
Makes me laugh that a lot of people have been saying for ages that they want Mansell to be given a chance for his defensive ability and organisational skills. Now that it has been tried and failed, people are saying how ridiculous a selection it was. I'm glad I don't manage this team. I'm glad I don't read a lot of what is written on here, or twitter
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2017 14:34:36 GMT
Didn't DC do exactly the same at Wimbledon last Christmas/New Year, not sure he lost the plot this time last season? Although if the first 3 goals were down solely to defensive errors when we were holding them comfortably would it have made any difference who started ahead of the defence?
What's the betting if we win Saturday, making it 3 wins out of 4, everybody will be back to saying DC's a legend again?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2017 14:36:57 GMT
Makes me laugh that a lot of people have been saying for ages that they want Mansell to be given a chance for his defensive ability and organisational skills. Now that it has been tried and failed, people are saying how ridiculous a selection it was. I'm glad I don't manage this team. I'm glad I don't read a lot of what is written on here, or twitter So you've posted over 4,400 times w/o reading anything on here, that's impressive going!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:38:04 GMT
So much of this thread is hilarious especially the mammoth effort by Gregory Stephens. Were you there yesterday Greg? Let me tell that in the two pubs I went in, the consensus was we've come to a reserve game, and DC has lost the plot. You may not like to hear that, but it's what was being spoken of by the people that bothered to go and support the team. The selection was a bloody nonsense, and it now seems that science has taken over team selection, so perhaps we don't need a manager. I assume it is therefore Dubey who now picks the team, and he sure as hell was the guy behind bringing in our new keeper. Perhaps we therefore have a new manager but he just hasn't been confirmed yet. As for Charlton, someone said they are a good side. Wake up and smell the coffee. Discount our two gimme games to them and see where they are. Not one of the last four teams we have played away to are any good, but we lost to all four of them, two will probably go down and the other two will be mid table. But we have given all of them major boosts because DC still doesn't know who his best team are. Two of the players left out yesterday smiled and raised eyebrows when we asked them why they were out. One then said 'well, that's how it is'. When Easter, who at least tried was substituted, he had a drink and then smashed his drink bottle into the dugout, so he wasn't best pleased. If the reason for all this is because he is trying to keep a happy squad, then that is crap. His job is to try and win each game, and he will not succeed at this level unless he plays his best team, and he sure as hell won't get this level of away support again if we have to wonder if we will be watching a reserve game. I was not there yesterday, as I stated in my post if you had done me the courtesy of reading carefully. Perhaps next time I would suggest taking notes as there is much wisdom there for you to learn! On the topic of wisdom, I doubt I would have found much in the boozer you were in. To turn on a manager after two promotions and top half league one speaks of ignorance and a lack of loyalty far beyond what I would consider acceptable drinking company. The poison which helped bring this club to a self loathing mess of unhappy negativity is still strong and if we lose Clarke to you lot, then all I can say is you get what you deserve in life. We've had nothing like this in 20 years and out come the hatchets after 6 points for 9. It was a bad day at the office, I have seen them with my own eyes but running and jumping off the cliff of premature conclusions whilst having a nuclear knee jerk because of one poor performance isn't going to help and is a gross over reaction. It's almost like you are itching for us to fail. I will start asking questions if we get anywhere near the bottom 4. Before that day, hounding our most successful manager because your ego feels you have better answers than a paid, successful professional is misguided.
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Post by spiess1 on Jan 3, 2017 14:55:54 GMT
Topper, Mehew said: I don't read a lot of what is written on here. You post: So you've posted over 4,400 times w/o reading anything on here.
Do a reading course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:57:08 GMT
Thee is some crap being posted on here. One minute there are complaints about changing the team, yet the back five didn't change, and they were the ones who made the mistakes for the goals. TL got done twice on set-pieces, and quite rightly should shoulder the blame for those goals. The cross and tap-in was a collective mistake. The other goal......well, if the opposition midfield player has time and space on the ball, then the back four should drop off and not allow the striker the space to run into. That is just basic defending that every professional should know. It doesn't matter what team is selected, nor what formation they play, if players make basic mistakes and gift goals. In truth, it was just rank bad defending.
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Post by albaron on Jan 3, 2017 14:57:28 GMT
So much of this thread is hilarious especially the mammoth effort by Gregory Stephens. Were you there yesterday Greg? Let me tell that in the two pubs I went in, the consensus was we've come to a reserve game, and DC has lost the plot. You may not like to hear that, but it's what was being spoken of by the people that bothered to go and support the team. The selection was a bloody nonsense, and it now seems that science has taken over team selection, so perhaps we don't need a manager. I assume it is therefore Dubey who now picks the team, and he sure as hell was the guy behind bringing in our new keeper. Perhaps we therefore have a new manager but he just hasn't been confirmed yet. As for Charlton, someone said they are a good side. Wake up and smell the coffee. Discount our two gimme games to them and see where they are. Not one of the last four teams we have played away to are any good, but we lost to all four of them, two will probably go down and the other two will be mid table. But we have given all of them major boosts because DC still doesn't know who his best team are. Two of the players left out yesterday smiled and raised eyebrows when we asked them why they were out. One then said 'well, that's how it is'. When Easter, who at least tried was substituted, he had a drink and then smashed his drink bottle into the dugout, so he wasn't best pleased. If the reason for all this is because he is trying to keep a happy squad, then that is crap. His job is to try and win each game, and he will not succeed at this level unless he plays his best team, and he sure as hell won't get this level of away support again if we have to wonder if we will be watching a reserve game. I disagree with this. His job is to try and finish as high as possible in each season. Would we have had our incredibly good run in at the end of the last two season and achieved promotion without DC's tinkering? We will never know, but I don't think it is a coincidence. Playing two games in 48 hours is a massive ask for any player, no matter how young or fit they are. One of the four outfield players who did this picked up an injury. Would he have got this injury had it not been his second game in 48 hours? Again, we will never know. I didn't go yesterday so I am not as frustrated as the people who went and spent their hard-earned money are. i salute you for that and I understand the frustration when you do this and the performance is p1sspoor. However, I think people need to look at the bigger picture rather than one 90 minutes of football. DC didn't select that team yesterday thinking they would play poorly and lose 4-1, but he maybe did have the whole season in mind rather than just one game. People suggesting that he should pick his strongest XI every game is just ludicrous, no team in the world does that and there is a reason for that. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:58:59 GMT
So much of this thread is hilarious especially the mammoth effort by Gregory Stephens. Were you there yesterday Greg? Let me tell that in the two pubs I went in, the consensus was we've come to a reserve game, and DC has lost the plot. You may not like to hear that, but it's what was being spoken of by the people that bothered to go and support the team. The selection was a bloody nonsense, and it now seems that science has taken over team selection, so perhaps we don't need a manager. I assume it is therefore Dubey who now picks the team, and he sure as hell was the guy behind bringing in our new keeper. Perhaps we therefore have a new manager but he just hasn't been confirmed yet. As for Charlton, someone said they are a good side. Wake up and smell the coffee. Discount our two gimme games to them and see where they are. Not one of the last four teams we have played away to are any good, but we lost to all four of them, two will probably go down and the other two will be mid table. But we have given all of them major boosts because DC still doesn't know who his best team are. Two of the players left out yesterday smiled and raised eyebrows when we asked them why they were out. One then said 'well, that's how it is'. When Easter, who at least tried was substituted, he had a drink and then smashed his drink bottle into the dugout, so he wasn't best pleased. If the reason for all this is because he is trying to keep a happy squad, then that is crap. His job is to try and win each game, and he will not succeed at this level unless he plays his best team, and he sure as hell won't get this level of away support again if we have to wonder if we will be watching a reserve game. I was not there yesterday, as I stated in my post if you had done me the courtesy of reading carefully. Perhaps next time I would suggest taking notes as there is much wisdom there for you to learn! On the topic of wisdom, I doubt I would have found much in the boozer you were in. To turn on a manager after two promotions and top half league one speaks of ignorance and a lack of loyalty far beyond what I would consider acceptable drinking company. The poison which helped bring this club to a self loathing mess of unhappy negativity is still strong and if we lose Clarke to you lot, then all I can say is you get what you deserve in life. We've had nothing like this in 20 years and out come the hatchets after 6 points for 9. It was a bad day at the office, I have seen them with my own eyes but running and jumping off the cliff of premature conclusions whilst having a nuclear knee jerk because of one poor performance isn't going to help and is a gross over reaction. It's almost like you are itching for us to fail. I will start asking questions if we get anywhere near the bottom 4. Before that day, hounding our most successful manager because your ego feels you have better answers than a paid, successful professional is misguided. Can I give this post more than one 'like' ?
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Post by spiess1 on Jan 3, 2017 15:07:42 GMT
Steady on, Gregory. gasincider is 'numero uno in the know'. You must know that, he's always telling us. He spoke to left-out players. He even knows WHY Jammer threw his bottle. He's even got itk-ness for the end of season table. Come on Greg, admit it: gasincider is more in the know than DC.
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Post by albaron on Jan 3, 2017 15:10:55 GMT
I am in total agreement with Gasincider. The fans were totally conned yesterday. I always thought it was best to at least play your best team -- What he put out we would have struggled in the Southern league. Pity he didn't let people know earlier I would have saved myself £70.00. Some people are saying perhaps Clark is being very clever whils't i'm thinking has he reached his limit? You cannot hope to compete without the calibre of Taylor,Bodin & Lines and we didn't.
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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 3, 2017 15:45:20 GMT
Having done a few away games this season a lingering hangover made the decision easy for me not to traipse to Charlton
Having seen away losses at Sheffield, Chesterfield , The mental draw at Mk and a narrow squeak of a win at Northamptn , the gas away is always a bit of a lottery, especially this season
I checked the scores at 1-1' then checked the team to see if I considered we could wriggle out of it - I couldn't see that happening, but I did think we could ship a couple more after keeping the same defence that did a good job v Wimbledon on NYE as we are at the back consistently inconsistent
I just have to keep the faith. Top 6 is certainly attainable . I'm getting behind em
UTG
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Post by costahotshot on Jan 3, 2017 16:02:08 GMT
Like nearly 1600 other Gasheads I was there yesterday and whilst I would have preferred a few less changes, if your centre half gets out muscled at set pieces and your keeper doesn't know whether or not to stick or bust then it's going to end badly whoever is playing in midfield and upfront. A trip to the Valley is a world away from a day trip to welling!! Keep the faith UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 16:06:02 GMT
Are people serious? Four goals scored, three coming from set pieces and the fourth a long ball to a loan striker marked by three Rovers defenders and the fault is lies in the hands of the midfield who were picked by a manager who has no ambition! To suggest Tom Lockyer as the cause of the defeat yesterday would be down right,unjust criminal after all.
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Post by gasincider on Jan 3, 2017 16:10:40 GMT
Thee is some crap being posted on here. One minute there are complaints about changing the team, yet the back five didn't change, and they were the ones who made the mistakes for the goals. TL got done twice on set-pieces, and quite rightly should shoulder the blame for those goals. The cross and tap-in was a collective mistake. The other goal......well, if the opposition midfield player has time and space on the ball, then the back four should drop off and not allow the striker the space to run into. That is just basic defending that every professional should know. It doesn't matter what team is selected, nor what formation they play, if players make basic mistakes and gift goals. In truth, it was just rank bad defending. In other words all goals are down to the back four or the goalkeeper. Well that clears that up. So why does DC say you defend from the front? Yesterday we closed them down further up the pitch for most of the first half, and looked relatively comfortable. Then our two pensioner midfield players started dropping deeper and deeper thus dragging the front players deeper. We then offered no threat up front and were now defending our box. One wrong tackle and they were in shooting range, so we now have to protect both the direct shot and the lifted kick to the far post. Thus making it easier for them. Many free kicks were conceded in the danger zone, not by the back four but by our midfield and two or three by forwards trying to defend. Nothing excuses Lockyer going missing, but it's not just the back four or the keeper. That said, I wouldn't want to be our keeper right now. You may say our defence have little confidence in Puddy, but I can assure you he has little confidence in his defence. Our priority now has to be the defence and a keeper, but it's no good solving that little puzzle if you play Mansell and Lawrence in the middle. We might have got away with just playing Mansell, but with Lawrence as well, it was a disaster waiting to happen. And yes, I do know that better than our manager. And I would suggest the vast majority of gas there yesterday would agree.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 3, 2017 16:30:47 GMT
IMHO some people have never & never will forgive DC for being the man at the helm, when we dropped into the conference. I think some view him as non league & don't agree with his methods. I don't think any of us enjoy days like yesterday but for goodness sake let's put things into perspective. We sit mid table in L1, nearer the play offs than the bottom 4, how many of us would have settled for that before our first game against Scunthorpe? We have spent next to nothing, but our 'first 11' are more than capable in holding their own in this division. DC rightly or wrongly to some, offered new contracts to all if we got promoted last season, we did & he kept his word. Now that might have held us back this season, but on the other hand we might not have got promoted. What annoys me is that some SEEM to take great delight in picking him to pieces when we lose & give praise grudgingly when we do well banging on about picking certain individuals & making wholesale changes & now moaning about being conned because he didn't pick the team they wanted to see. He more or less said after Wimbledon he was going to freshen things up. Well he did, no surprise really - we did hold our own for most of the first half & rank bad defending then took over. The same defence I would say is the first choice of those we have at present ( including keeper ). But it was exactly that, nothing to do with selection, formation or even being ripped apart by a far better team tactically. It was a bad day at the office. I don't think anyone, DC included , would argue we need some freshness at the back & he has said he has his first choices in mind - as we know it's not always possible to get those in early in the window or if at all - but still some snipe about he should have them in place 1st Jan ie Boateng situation- short of having a world class back 5 in situ for the Northampton game he's not going to please some! I have been supporting since 1964 & said after the Daggers game that I have never been so optimistic about my team - nothing has happened since to change that optimism & don't forget DC is the only manager to get back to back promotions at this club - cut him some slack, this club is on the up, but there will be mistakes along the way - stay positive!!
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Post by knowall on Jan 3, 2017 16:36:03 GMT
Thee is some crap being posted on here. One minute there are complaints about changing the team, yet the back five didn't change, and they were the ones who made the mistakes for the goals. TL got done twice on set-pieces, and quite rightly should shoulder the blame for those goals. The cross and tap-in was a collective mistake. The other goal......well, if the opposition midfield player has time and space on the ball, then the back four should drop off and not allow the striker the space to run into. That is just basic defending that every professional should know. It doesn't matter what team is selected, nor what formation they play, if players make basic mistakes and gift goals. In truth, it was just rank bad defending. In other words all goals are down to the back four or the goalkeeper. Well that clears that up. So why does DC say you defend from the front? Yesterday we closed them down further up the pitch for most of the first half, and looked relatively comfortable. Then our two pensioner midfield players started dropping deeper and deeper thus dragging the front players deeper. We then offered no threat up front and were now defending our box. One wrong tackle and they were in shooting range, so we now have to protect both the direct shot and the lifted kick to the far post. Thus making it easier for them. Many free kicks were conceded in the danger zone, not by the back four but by our midfield and two or three by forwards trying to defend. Nothing excuses Lockyer going missing, but it's not just the back four or the keeper. That said, I wouldn't want to be our keeper right now. You may say our defence have little confidence in Puddy, but I can assure you he has little confidence in his defence. Our priority now has to be the defence and a keeper, but it's no good solving that little puzzle if you play Mansell and Lawrence in the middle. We might have got away with just playing Mansell, but with Lawrence as well, it was a disaster waiting to happen. And yes, I do know that better than our manager. And I would suggest the vast majority of gas there yesterday would agree. well said - everybody makes a mistake now and again and yesterday DC did
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