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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 10:40:23 GMT
The midfield previous games might not have give away the free kicks that led to the goals
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 10:40:38 GMT
Nobbygas do you travel away games and spend time and money? You might think it's funny but we who travel don't I'm afraid 😳 I don't think it's funny, I'm just trying to point out that I feel there is a massive over-reaction. The Charlton result really didn't have anything to do with changes nor formations. If you leave their tallest striker with yards of space from a free-kick that is lumped in from 40 yds....TWICE.....well.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2017 11:17:20 GMT
The midfield previous games might not have give away the free kicks that led to the goals Pretty sure it was Lee Brown who gave away the free kick for the second? Regardless our CM's will always give free kicks away at some point in a game.
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 4, 2017 11:36:26 GMT
It was the same defence that has made very similar mistakes all season-also the Managers fault but the point is that Charlton especially first half were not thatr good and quite possibly with the team from the previous game we may have gone more than one goal ahead. If we haven't got a new keeper and a tall centre half in by the weekend we will do well to get a result against Northampton but that is not to say we won't do it. Any Manager will know that it was a huge and stupid risk to change all six players in front of the back four taking into account the number of appearances they had made. A central midfield pairing of Mansell and Sinclair alone was going to cause problems because one would run out of steam covering for the other one who would have steam to spare but run all over the place leaving huge holes in the centre of midfield for the other to cover. DC showed totally his inexperience in that move and although the long term is not going to be affected by this result it is annoying to go so far and watch what was probably a team that would have struggled to beat a National League side on the day. I don't for one minute think we will go up this season or in fact really want us to go up this year-nice as it may be but with the right signings now it will help us finish higher and possibly have at least one play off game but more importantly slowly break up this squad which is not good enough to go up rather than have a complete clear out at the end of the season.
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Post by Gashead51 on Jan 4, 2017 11:45:58 GMT
It was the same defence that has made very similar mistakes all season-also the Managers fault but the point is that Charlton especially first half were not thatr good and quite possibly with the team from the previous game we may have gone more than one goal ahead. If we haven't got a new keeper and a tall centre half in by the weekend we will do well to get a result against Northampton but that is not to say we won't do it. Any Manager will know that it was a huge and stupid risk to change all six players in front of the back four taking into account the number of appearances they had made. A central midfield pairing of Mansell and Sinclair alone was going to cause problems because one would run out of steam covering for the other one who would have steam to spare but run all over the place leaving huge holes in the centre of midfield for the other to cover. DC showed totally his inexperience in that move and although the long term is not going to be affected by this result it is annoying to go so far and watch what was probably a team that would have struggled to beat a National League side on the day. I don't for one minute think we will go up this season or in fact really want us to go up this year-nice as it may be but with the right signings now it will help us finish higher and possibly have at least one play off game but more importantly slowly break up this squad which is not good enough to go up rather than have a complete clear out at the end of the season. For what its worth, I totally agree. I was there and concur with your comments. I thought DC once said attack, attack, attack. But there was no creativity going forward. Front men have to work on scraps. Why no Clarke or Lines and why didn't Colkett get a kick?
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Post by markczgas on Jan 4, 2017 12:54:12 GMT
DC may look at each game as a "project", but he also has an overview of the whole season. He knows we probably don't have a title winning side, given where we have come from in such a short space of time, but it's a results based business and he therefore sets out to maximise the return from the personnel at his disposal in an attempt to reach the highest possible position. It's 3 points for a win and only 1 point for a draw so he takes a calculated gamble that the team will accumulate more points by attempting to win each game, and playing more attractive football, rather than trying not to lose. Most of the time it pays off, but inevitably sometimes it doesn't, however it's a much better points tally to win two and lose one rather than draw three in a row with a more defensive setup. To keep his best assets going until the end of the season he employs the squad rotation approach which will inevitably throw up differing performances, but so far the ends have justified the means even if it creates moments of extreme disappointment.. To use a motoring analogy, this season it's like we have turned up at a formula one race with a formula 3 car which is more than able to get around the track but it's never going to be the fastest car. We have an excellent pit crew who, mid race, are advising that we change the tyres to ensure that we complete the race, even possibly scrape a place on the podium, however the excitable crowd are urging us to keep going on the original tyres so as not to lose a few seconds with a pit stop. Thankfully the team doesn't listen to the crowd, as the risk of a blowout and potentially wrecking the car is too high (especially if we want to sell it on eBay later). Although we don't win the race the plucky attitude, professionalism and tech savvy approach doesn't go unnoticed and the sponsors are sufficiently reassured to invest in a formula one car for the following season. Thank you ! sponsored by Ferrari.
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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 4, 2017 13:05:17 GMT
Oooh my god! This thread is driving me nuts !
We lost a game!!!! We've lost before and we will lose again
Nobody died
We are not Real Madrid ......
Humans are involved.....using their best endeavours.....
Get behind em on Saturday, what useful purpose does this commentary achieve !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:12:19 GMT
Oooh my god! This thread is driving me nuts ! We lost a game!!!! We've lost before and we will lose again Nobody died We are not Real Madrid ...... Humans are involved.....using their best endeavours..... Get behind em on Saturday, what useful purpose does this commentary achieve ! But......I'm .... I'm RIGHT and others on the Internet are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:14:15 GMT
Oooh my god! This thread is driving me nuts ! We lost a game!!!! We've lost before and we will lose again Nobody died We are not Real Madrid ...... Humans are involved.....using their best endeavours..... Get behind em on Saturday, what useful purpose does this commentary achieve ! But......I'm .... I'm RIGHT and others on the Internet are wrong. No, no and thrice no. You're wrong and I'm right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:43:40 GMT
But......I'm .... I'm RIGHT and others on the Internet are wrong. No, no and thrice no. You're wrong and I'm right. Has it come to this. It's obvious to everyone I am right. Mods, please merge all nobbygas threads to the wrong section.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:47:47 GMT
No, no and thrice no. You're wrong and I'm right. Has it come to this. It's obvious to everyone I am right. Mods, please merge all nobbygas threads to the wrong section. If I ever met you I'm going to give you a wicked Chinese Burn.
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Post by baggins on Jan 4, 2017 14:04:13 GMT
Has it come to this. It's obvious to everyone I am right. Mods, please merge all nobbygas threads to the wrong section. If I ever met you I'm going to give you a wicked Chinese Burn. Gay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 14:10:46 GMT
If I ever met you I'm going to give you a wicked Chinese Burn. Gay. Says the bloke who's favorite trick is to whip other bloke's bare arses in the shower with a wet rolled towel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 14:11:19 GMT
Has it come to this. It's obvious to everyone I am right. Mods, please merge all nobbygas threads to the wrong section. If I ever met you I'm going to give you a wicked Chinese Burn.
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Post by baggins on Jan 4, 2017 14:13:29 GMT
Says the bloke who's favorite trick is to whip other bloke's bare arses in the shower with a wet rolled towel. Only when I went into Upper School.
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Post by Squiffy on Jan 4, 2017 14:26:45 GMT
Says the bloke who's favorite trick is to whip other bloke's bare arses in the shower with a wet rolled towel. Only when I went into Upper School. Sumus Bristolienses?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 14:27:47 GMT
Says the bloke who's favorite trick is to whip other bloke's bare arses in the shower with a wet rolled towel. Only when I went into Upper School. UPPER school ? You posh git.
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Post by jaunkerr on Jan 4, 2017 15:01:01 GMT
So much of this thread is hilarious especially the mammoth effort by Gregory Stephens. Were you there yesterday Greg? Let me tell that in the two pubs I went in, the consensus was we've come to a reserve game, and DC has lost the plot. You may not like to hear that, but it's what was being spoken of by the people that bothered to go and support the team. The selection was a bloody nonsense, and it now seems that science has taken over team selection, so perhaps we don't need a manager. I assume it is therefore Dubey who now picks the team, and he sure as hell was the guy behind bringing in our new keeper. Perhaps we therefore have a new manager but he just hasn't been confirmed yet. As for Charlton, someone said they are a good side. Wake up and smell the coffee. Discount our two gimme games to them and see where they are. Not one of the last four teams we have played away to are any good, but we lost to all four of them, two will probably go down and the other two will be mid table. But we have given all of them major boosts because DC still doesn't know who his best team are. Two of the players left out yesterday smiled and raised eyebrows when we asked them why they were out. One then said 'well, that's how it is'. When Easter, who at least tried was substituted, he had a drink and then smashed his drink bottle into the dugout, so he wasn't best pleased. If the reason for all this is because he is trying to keep a happy squad, then that is crap. His job is to try and win each game, and he will not succeed at this level unless he plays his best team, and he sure as hell won't get this level of away support again if we have to wonder if we will be watching a reserve game. I disagree with this. His job is to try and finish as high as possible in each season. Would we have had our incredibly good run in at the end of the last two season and achieved promotion without DC's tinkering? We will never know, but I don't think it is a coincidence. Playing two games in 48 hours is a massive ask for any player, no matter how young or fit they are. One of the four outfield players who did this picked up an injury. Would he have got this injury had it not been his second game in 48 hours? Again, we will never know. I didn't go yesterday so I am not as frustrated as the people who went and spent their hard-earned money are. i salute you for that and I understand the frustration when you do this and the performance is p1sspoor. However, I think people need to look at the bigger picture rather than one 90 minutes of football. DC didn't select that team yesterday thinking they would play poorly and lose 4-1, but he maybe did have the whole season in mind rather than just one game. People suggesting that he should pick his strongest XI every game is just ludicrous, no team in the world does that and there is a reason for that. UTG! I think you will find that the most successful teams have always played their best 11. Liverpool when they were great and Man Utd being just two
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 15:08:38 GMT
I disagree with this. His job is to try and finish as high as possible in each season. Would we have had our incredibly good run in at the end of the last two season and achieved promotion without DC's tinkering? We will never know, but I don't think it is a coincidence. Playing two games in 48 hours is a massive ask for any player, no matter how young or fit they are. One of the four outfield players who did this picked up an injury. Would he have got this injury had it not been his second game in 48 hours? Again, we will never know. I didn't go yesterday so I am not as frustrated as the people who went and spent their hard-earned money are. i salute you for that and I understand the frustration when you do this and the performance is p1sspoor. However, I think people need to look at the bigger picture rather than one 90 minutes of football. DC didn't select that team yesterday thinking they would play poorly and lose 4-1, but he maybe did have the whole season in mind rather than just one game. People suggesting that he should pick his strongest XI every game is just ludicrous, no team in the world does that and there is a reason for that. UTG! I think you will find that the most successful teams have always played their best 11. Liverpool when they were great and Man Utd being just two Errrrr - bang wrong I am afraid. Alex Ferguson was pretty much the first manager to bring in squad rotation. It's a defining characteristic of Ferguson for goodness sake. Liverpool in 2005 didn't have a first X11, as for shankly era to be honest, football was so ametuer then by definition very, very little is applicable today. Ferguson picked a settled 11, perhaps maybe the first season they won only. The fact scholes and giggs et al went on forever - were they in that first 11 for twenty years, game in, game out? No! So you must be keyboard slain for such ignorance!
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Post by jaunkerr on Jan 4, 2017 15:16:11 GMT
I think you will find that the most successful teams have always played their best 11. Liverpool when they were great and Man Utd being just two Errrrr - bang wrong I am afraid. Alex Ferguson was pretty much the first manager to bring in squad rotation. It's a defining characteristic of Ferguson for goodness sake. Liverpool in 2005 didn't have a first X11, as for shankly era to be honest, football was so ametuer then by definition very, very little is applicable today. Ferguson picked a settled 11, perhaps maybe the first season they won only. The fact scholes and giggs et al went on forever - were they in that first 11 for twenty years, game in, game out? No! So you must be keyboard slain for such ignorance! Did any of them ever make SIX changes in a competitive game ?
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