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Post by mrgasman on Jan 11, 2017 22:54:19 GMT
Boateng and Colkett were clearly bought in as cover when Mansell and Lawrence were injured at the start of the season. Expect Clarke Salter and Conor Roberts were similar as we were low on numbers at the beginning of the season. Luke James was intended as a potential Matty T replacement, taken on loan as an extended trial with a view to signing but this hasn't come off. From recent comments Darrell doesn't like loan signings but likes to use them to cover bases where permanent signings are unavailable. To me, this is what happened with his final day loan signings. Disappointing because colkett showed promise but his spark has gone of late. He seems to suit a 20 mins performance at the end not a start at this stage in his career. I completely agree - If Clarke doesn't want to use loan players in his plans much then maybe he should think about not getting loan Players. We have a very very touch 6 weeks ahead of us and I feel DC needs to make some signings. I'm disappointed to see Colkett go. 3 loan players now that have been sent back.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 11, 2017 22:54:23 GMT
I have no idea why Clarke didn't play him after Shrewsbury. Yeah, Colkett and Boateng both subbed around half time and that was the last we saw of them. I guess that was when he realised they weren't good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 22:57:50 GMT
Boateng and Colkett were clearly bought in as cover when Mansell and Lawrence were injured at the start of the season. Expect Clarke Salter and Conor Roberts were similar as we were low on numbers at the beginning of the season. Luke James was intended as a potential Matty T replacement, taken on loan as an extended trial with a view to signing but this hasn't come off. From recent comments Darrell doesn't like loan signings but likes to use them to cover bases where permanent signings are unavailable. To me, this is what happened with his final day loan signings. Disappointing because colkett showed promise but his spark has gone of late. He seems to suit a 20 mins performance at the end not a start at this stage in his career. I completely agree - If Clarke doesn't want to use loan players in his plans much then maybe he should think about not getting loan Players. We have a very very touch 6 weeks ahead of us and I feel DC needs to make some signings. I'm disappointed to see Colkett go. 3 loan players now that have been sent back. 4
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jan 11, 2017 23:29:28 GMT
Charlie Colkett signs on loan for Swindon....and they get 2 other Chelsea lads...everyone is doing their business so why aren't we??? Because DC has the money to make decent fulltime signings rather than loaning players who probably aren't the long-term answer. And because pulling off those deals is more complex as those teams and players will be looking for the best option that presents itself throughout the whole of January. We had half a dozen loans, the best players you could expect to attract to league one and none of them were as good as, let alone an improvement, on our own players. Colkett will be with time, but as someone else has said already he doesn't justify a place ahead of the likes of Ollie Clarke and Chris lines. He's Chelsea's player and so they've done what they wanted. Far better that we're patient and try to sign permanent players. I'm not sure that this kind of level-headed and reasoned argument is welcome on this thread to be honest. All we really want is someone to please start spunking away all of our funds on a scattergun assortment of over-rated journeymen, inexperienced PL starlets or foreign sounding unknown carthorses so that we can all feel like we're not falling behind all of the other desperados in this league.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 12, 2017 6:49:36 GMT
Its alright saying x clubs have signed x playerw, but when you lookk at the actual business, what names jump out at you, that you think we should have or could have signed are?
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Post by RD on Jan 12, 2017 7:27:12 GMT
Its alright saying x clubs have signed x playerw, but when you lookk at the actual business, what names jump out at you, that you think we should have or could have signed are? Drinking before 7am is poor form Peter.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 12, 2017 7:35:18 GMT
Its alright saying x clubs have signed x playerw, but when you lookk at the actual business, what names jump out at you, that you think we should have or could have signed are? Drinking before 7am is poor form Peter. It doesn't make you a bad person He's right though, the bulk of the signings so far in the 3rd division haven't impressed me at all. I see another "fans" target from before is in the brown & smelly stuff again, ex swindle and newcastle player could be in line for a custodial sentance for fraud. Fecking ejit
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 12, 2017 9:01:08 GMT
Agree nottsgashead. Why wouldn't we? He's a young footballer and in today's day and age they move around. He will probably go on loan to 5/6 teams as it's unlikely that he'll make it at Chelsea. The really good youngsters like Loftus -Cheek are struggling to get game time. I think you have to be exceptional, not just very good, to have a chance to make it. They hoover up all the best talent and lend them out. Can't blame Colkett for the system he's working in. Him and others like him are just as much a victim as lower league clubs. So I will give him a clap, but not too loud! UTG! I wasn't trying to suggest that I thought he would get boo'ed. Just wasn't sure what sort of reception he would get. Any other team and I don't think there's any doubt but because it's Swindon it just made me wonder. You know how fickle some fans can be. But yes I agree with everything else you've said. The new loan system as well means that even more youngsters are just going to get loaned for the sake of backup because people are worried about ending a transfer window without having numerous players to cover every position. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but the more we discuss it the more I realise how awful a rule it is for both lower league clubs and youngsters. UTG! I'm not sure that will be the outcome of the new loan system. I expect it to develop much like the top end of the European loan market where when you take a loanee you are charged two different rates depending on whether he plays or not with a higher price for when he doesn't play. This is reportedly the situation that Everton had when delofo.... (not even trying to spell his name) was on loan from Barcelona. Ultimately the lending club couldn't give a toss about Rovers or Swindon it's just about what those clubs can do to help the likes of Chelsea and by charging different rates they can maximise their return on the loan.
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Post by lmgas on Jan 12, 2017 9:02:25 GMT
I wouldn't rule out the possibility if Colkett returning in the future, depending on the circumstances.
It's very very difficult to break into the Chelsea team, or any premier league team, or even top championship club. DC only had good things to say about him, "credit to Chelsea", "I think he would of played quite a few games between Jan and end of season"...
Football changes quickly, if we're looking like a top six league one team for '17-18, or even a championship minnow then who knows, he could be back?
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 12, 2017 9:34:06 GMT
Charlie Colkett signs on loan for Swindon....and they get 2 other Chelsea lads...everyone is doing their business so why aren't we??? Very simple Gaffers - we don't need to panic - DC can bide his time and get the right men at the right price. Swindon, Bury, Port Vale, Oldham, Shrewsbury, Coventry etc are on the verge of relegation - we aren't! Spot on alveston!
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 12, 2017 10:03:39 GMT
Charlie Colkett signs on loan for Swindon....and they get 2 other Chelsea lads...everyone is doing their business so why aren't we??? Here we go.....Every window this starts from someone. DC has never been one to rush in and buy any old player. He's done pretty well out of that system so far so I'm more than content to leave him to it.
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Post by socrates on Jan 12, 2017 10:20:54 GMT
He could say that about any of our front players.... Taylor when it comes to defense is very poor... I think Taylor is the only one who could really say it about. There are some not great at it but will do it or need a kick up the ass now and again like Lines. I do wonder with Taylor though whether he is told not to do so much defensive work as it's strange that his work rate has gone down over time but his goal ratio has gone up. Like I said the other day I think Taylor deliberately drifts away when we haven't got the ball because that way he loses his markers and is in a good position when we receive the ball. It does seem like the lazier he is without the ball the more goals he scores.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2017 11:21:56 GMT
Charlie Colkett signs on loan for Swindon....and they get 2 other Chelsea lads...everyone is doing their business so why aren't we??? Here we go.....Every window this starts from someone. DC has never been one to rush in and buy any old player. He's done pretty well out of that system so far so I'm more than content to leave him to it. Not sure about that as last summers signing's were mainly flops, DC's been a bit lucky 8 Conference players have been able to step up their game to Div 1 level as I doubt that happens often, look where Cheltenham are this season!! DC's problem is finding players who fit into the squad/club that are better than the present ones. or are at least as good, and are within budget. It's probably a bit harder than playing Football Manager or Fifa17!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 12, 2017 13:02:04 GMT
DC's been a bit lucky 8 Conference players have been able to step up their game to Div 1 level as I doubt that happens often... Yeah, lucky that when everyone was saying Matty flattered to deceive and would never be a goal scorer he stood by him and it was pure luck he turned into a twenty goal a season striker. Lucky that when everyone was saying we should get rid of Ellis asap even if it meant paying up his contract DC persevered with him and he's coming good. Lucky that when everyone was saying that DC had bought the wrong Sinclair brother and he only bought him coz he was at Salisbury, that he luckily can hold his own in League 1. Lucky that he stuck by Ollie Clarke when it looked like the bloke couldn't even have a decent game for a failing League 2 side that by pure luck he's now dominating games in League 1. Lucky that he managed to convince Browner to stay in the Conference even though he could have walked into any team in League 2. Lucky that he managed to sign an old, has-been, past-it, Mansell who was in the only team worse than us in 2014, and by pure luck he managed to become the midfield keystone in two consecutive promotions. etc... Blimey, DC should do the lottery with luck like that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2017 13:19:33 GMT
DC's been a bit lucky 8 Conference players have been able to step up their game to Div 1 level as I doubt that happens often... Yeah, lucky that when everyone was saying Matty flattered to deceive and would never be a goal scorer he stood by him and it was pure luck he turned into a twenty goal a season striker. Lucky that when everyone was saying we should get rid of Ellis asap even if it meant paying up his contract DC persevered with him and he's coming good. Lucky that when everyone was saying that DC had bought the wrong Sinclair brother and he only bought him coz he was at Salisbury, that he luckily can hold his own in League 1. Lucky that he stuck by Ollie Clarke when it looked like the bloke couldn't even have a decent game for a failing League 2 side that by pure luck he's now dominating games in League 1. Lucky that he managed to convince Browner to stay in the Conference even though he could have walked into any team in League 2. Lucky that he managed to sign an old, has-been, past-it, Mansell who was in the only team worse than us in 2014, and by pure luck he managed to become the midfield keystone in two consecutive promotions. etc... Blimey, DC should do the lottery with luck like that. Not sure you can just manage a Conference player to be a Div 1 player, they have to have the ability to play Div 1 football in the first place hence my reference to the fact he was lucky they could all step up a level, as we'd be in the sh1t if we had to rely just upon this summer signings if all of last seasons players couldn't cope with the step up, as seems to be the case with Gosling. If it is just down to managing them regardless of their ability why doesn't DC just sign half a dozen National league players and turn them into Div 1 players? Not sure why you are referring to Mansel anyway given he's hardly played this season.
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Post by gasoline on Jan 12, 2017 15:29:51 GMT
DC's been a bit lucky 8 Conference players have been able to step up their game to Div 1 level as I doubt that happens often... Yeah, lucky that when everyone was saying Matty flattered to deceive and would never be a goal scorer he stood by him and it was pure luck he turned into a twenty goal a season striker. Lucky that when everyone was saying we should get rid of Ellis asap even if it meant paying up his contract DC persevered with him and he's coming good. Lucky that when everyone was saying that DC had bought the wrong Sinclair brother and he only bought him coz he was at Salisbury, that he luckily can hold his own in League 1. Lucky that he stuck by Ollie Clarke when it looked like the bloke couldn't even have a decent game for a failing League 2 side that by pure luck he's now dominating games in League 1. Lucky that he managed to convince Browner to stay in the Conference even though he could have walked into any team in League 2. Lucky that he managed to sign an old, has-been, past-it, Mansell who was in the only team worse than us in 2014, and by pure luck he managed to become the midfield keystone in two consecutive promotions. etc... Blimey, DC should do the lottery with luck like that. "The more I practice the luckier I get" Gary Player.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 12, 2017 15:55:51 GMT
Sometimes forums are all about opinions and facts rarely come into it. That's ok because forums are inviting people to share their opinions and it gets discussion going. But what AntonioF said is true and is largely fact and I think it shows without doubt (although I am sure some will doubt it) that DC has very good man-management skills and he must be a very good coach because he has taken a large number of players who were playing in the Conference and moulded and turned them into a good League 1 team on the back of two promotions. And I've always loved that quote from Gary Player which can be used in any context, sporting, working or just life. DC does improve players and he is an exceptional coach to have used the same group of players to do well in this league. I bet there are many other managers who wished they were as "lucky"!! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 16:10:19 GMT
Yeah, lucky that when everyone was saying Matty flattered to deceive and would never be a goal scorer he stood by him and it was pure luck he turned into a twenty goal a season striker. Lucky that when everyone was saying we should get rid of Ellis asap even if it meant paying up his contract DC persevered with him and he's coming good. Lucky that when everyone was saying that DC had bought the wrong Sinclair brother and he only bought him coz he was at Salisbury, that he luckily can hold his own in League 1. Lucky that he stuck by Ollie Clarke when it looked like the bloke couldn't even have a decent game for a failing League 2 side that by pure luck he's now dominating games in League 1. Lucky that he managed to convince Browner to stay in the Conference even though he could have walked into any team in League 2. Lucky that he managed to sign an old, has-been, past-it, Mansell who was in the only team worse than us in 2014, and by pure luck he managed to become the midfield keystone in two consecutive promotions. etc... Blimey, DC should do the lottery with luck like that. Not sure you can just manage a Conference player to be a Div 1 player, they have to have the ability to play Div 1 football in the first place hence my reference to the fact he was lucky they could all step up a level, as we'd be in the sh1t if we had to rely just upon this summer signings if all of last seasons players couldn't cope with the step up, as seems to be the case with Gosling. If it is just down to managing them regardless of their ability why doesn't DC just sign half a dozen National league players and turn them into Div 1 players? Not sure why you are referring to Mansel anyway given he's hardly played this season. Can see both sides of this argument. I'm sure DC recruited for that conference season getting players who would be capable at League 2. What manager wouldn't. Like you are suggesting though, it is quite exceptional circumstances that so many should be doing alright in League 1 with little to no experience at that level. Plus not sure Sinclair is really 'holding his own' in this league or that Ollie Clarke is 'dominating games' in this league. All opinions tho.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 16:14:11 GMT
Sometimes forums are all about opinions and facts rarely come into it. That's ok because forums are inviting people to share their opinions and it gets discussion going. But what AntonioF said is true and is largely fact and I think it shows without doubt (although I am sure some will doubt it) that DC has very good man-management skills and he must be a very good coach because he has taken a large number of players who were playing in the Conference and moulded and turned them into a good League 1 team on the back of two promotions. And I've always loved that quote from Gary Player which can be used in any context, sporting, working or just life. DC does improve players and he is an exceptional coach to have used the same group of players to do well in this league. I bet there are many other managers who wished they were as "lucky"!! UTG! Without wishing to sound negative, it is only January. A bad period may see us slide right down the table like the 82ers. Conclusions that we are a 'good league 1 team' are surely best left til the end of the season! The job isn't done yet. Sorry for sounding like Topper there
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Post by bs9trymer on Jan 12, 2017 16:27:59 GMT
Sometimes forums are all about opinions and facts rarely come into it. That's ok because forums are inviting people to share their opinions and it gets discussion going. But what AntonioF said is true and is largely fact and I think it shows without doubt (although I am sure some will doubt it) that DC has very good man-management skills and he must be a very good coach because he has taken a large number of players who were playing in the Conference and moulded and turned them into a good League 1 team on the back of two promotions. And I've always loved that quote from Gary Player which can be used in any context, sporting, working or just life. DC does improve players and he is an exceptional coach to have used the same group of players to do well in this league. I bet there are many other managers who wished they were as "lucky"!! UTG! I agree,especially this forum is about opinion rather than fact,the problem is sometimes lack of balance. DC has done well and that IS a fact,but all the players he brought in havent done well or been able to make a step up,Jamie White was one ( didnt cost Rovers anything so not a problem) Blissett was another and he did cost but probably not much and he did help out with a few goals to a promotion. DC has used loans and short contracts and a few have come off,I think that Trotman did a good job at a hard time,Dave Martin,Cunningham and a few others came and went, LDV ( who I thought was worth a contract) and Dawson didnt get offered a permanent contract,but none of them are playing at Rovers present level so I think that proves DC was right. My opinion is that DC gets it right most of the time and he doesnt waste money,I have my ideas about which positions Rovers should strengthen DC will have his ideas and if the players are available he will get it right again.
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