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Post by DTGas on Mar 18, 2017 21:44:09 GMT
It's pretty clear that DC rates him. If you listen to some of Clarke's recent interviews he's saying all the same things he said when Taylor first signed and was struggling for goals. I get the impression he sees him as work in progress and worth persisting with.
From what I've seen so far we could do better but I can definitely see DC offering him a contract at the end of the year.
As for the penalty, you could tell straight away he didn't want to take it. As soon as the ref pointed to the spot he started to walk away from the area before being given the ball after Bodin was convinced to let Luke take it. I'm not sure why that decision is even being made during a game and I'd much rather we had system where players know prior to kickoff who's responsible for spot kicks. Let's make sure the games won before we start handing out favours.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 18, 2017 21:51:32 GMT
What's all this crap about, people saying all he needs is a bit of luck. He hasn't had any bad luck. He just doesn't get in to goalscoring positions. The penalty today was woefully bad. He does work exceptionally hard and has great control and a super eye for a pass, but I have so far seen nothing to suggest that the lad looks anything remotely resembling a goalscorer. And just remember what an expert I am in that department. Exactly! you think he's clueless therefore we can expect great things of him.
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Post by socrates on Mar 18, 2017 21:59:17 GMT
Out of our current three 'strikers' I can only see DC keeping one and looking elsewhere for at least two replacements. So for me it's goodbye RG & EH - I think he will sign LJ on a free. None of them have exactly turned up this season and established themselves as League 1 standard strikers with EH in particular being given every chance. Fair enough. I'd pick Gafney over Harrison every time if I had to pick one.
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Post by pistolpc on Mar 18, 2017 22:14:15 GMT
I will leave the judgement to DC, but I would say this is a typical knee jerk reaction and I do not rate the views of the majority of fans. Every single member of the squad has had a bad patch. First Taylor, then Gaffney - a few weeks ago he wasn't good enough either. Strikers who don't score for a few games at the start immediately become league one standard when they score, like Rory has found recently. If you watch the game you will see lots of things James is doing which appear pretty league one to me. Then again, if you don't run fast and skin players then simplistically minded fans cannot keep track of what's happening - they need sound bites. They need tricks. They cannot see things like hold up play or unselfish layoffs, or even assists. He's set up 2 of Rory's but did he do it with a Cryuff turn? No? Well he can f**k off then! Why bother taking a balanced view or a grown up assessment when he missed a penalty? Missing a penalty is a big clear thing that people can understand. Clarke was clearly unsupportive in his comments on the radio and sounded like he wanted to chuck him. The crowd too, I think bood him off didn't they? Let's write him off before he's even really started. Sarcasm aside, thank god we have a manager and team who work with players and bring them on. The difference has been in working with players who work hard. Ollie Clarke would be gone, Byron Moore, Montano, Snake, Gaffney, Bodin earlier this year, Tom Lockyer earlier this year, Sinclair isn't league 2 standard, Mansells too old, Lee Brown out.... All of these players were considered not up to it at points. Hey presto, with a bit of effort and work they adapt and improve. It's almost like we have a really healthy ethos where we support players and players play for each other. I would like to see a bit more of James before we write him off. The team and manager seem to see something in him. My analysis is, like Taylor, and Gaffney, LJ is lacking in confidence. He's not shooting, he is laying everything off. Taylor towards the end did one thing - shoot. LJ smashes it every match. I say if the manager has worked this long on him, take that into account and don't write another player off as a bit of work pays off - as we have seen consistently.
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 18, 2017 22:19:56 GMT
I will leave the judgement to DC, but I would say this is a typical knee jerk reaction and I do not rate the views of the majority of fans. Every single member of the squad has had a bad patch. First Taylor, then Gaffney - a few weeks ago he wasn't good enough either. Strikers who don't score for a few games at the start immediately become league one standard when they score, like Rory has found recently. If you watch the game you will see lots of things James is doing which appear pretty league one to me. Then again, if you don't run fast and skin players then simplistically minded fans cannot keep track of what's happening - they need sound bites. They need tricks. They cannot see things like hold up play or unselfish layoffs, or even assists. He's set up 2 of Rory's but did he do it with a Cryuff turn? No? Well he can f**k off then! Why bother taking a balanced view or a grown up assessment when he missed a penalty? Missing a penalty is a big clear thing that people can understand. Clarke was clearly unsupportive in his comments on the radio and sounded like he wanted to chuck him. The crowd too, I think bood him off didn't they? Let's write him off before he's even really started. Sarcasm aside, thank god we have a manager and team who work with players and bring them on. The difference has been in working with players who work hard. Ollie Clarke would be gone, Byron Moore, Montano, Snake, Gaffney, Bodin earlier this year, Tom Lockyer earlier this year, Sinclair isn't league 2 standard, Mansells too old, Lee Brown out.... All of these players were considered not up to it at points. Hey presto, with a bit of effort and work they adapt and improve. It's almost like we have a really healthy ethos where we support players and players play for each other. I would like to see a bit more of James before we write him off. The team and manager seem to see something in him. My analysis is, like Taylor, and Gaffney, LJ is lacking in confidence. He's not shooting, he is laying everything off. Taylor towards the end did one thing - shoot. LJ smashes it every match. I say if the manager has worked this long on him, take that into account and don't write another player off as a bit of work pays off - as we have seen consistently. Fantastic post , I agree word for word !
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Post by justin blue on Mar 18, 2017 22:48:34 GMT
Can't agree with this I think he's good enough just needs a bit more luck and he will come good. Shame about the penalty, that could have been the boost he needs. "I think he's good enough" Serious question, nothing else. What, from what you have seen of him, makes you think he is good enough? I have been watching football for 53 years and I am basing my assessment on my experience. I expect you have based your assessment on your experience and come to a different conclusion.
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Post by pirateman on Mar 18, 2017 22:55:42 GMT
"I think he's good enough" Serious question, nothing else. What, from what you have seen of him, makes you think he is good enough? I have been watching football for 53 years and I am basing my assessment on my experience. I expect you have based your assessment on your experience and come to a different conclusion. i think you may be even older than me. Watch out for signs of diabetes.
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Post by piratesquarters on Mar 18, 2017 23:38:46 GMT
I agree with the chap who texted 20P, get your hair cut Luke. It worked for Billy Bob.
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Post by tinner on Mar 19, 2017 0:56:26 GMT
I will leave the judgement to DC, but I would say this is a typical knee jerk reaction and I do not rate the views of the majority of fans. Every single member of the squad has had a bad patch. First Taylor, then Gaffney - a few weeks ago he wasn't good enough either. Strikers who don't score for a few games at the start immediately become league one standard when they score, like Rory has found recently. If you watch the game you will see lots of things James is doing which appear pretty league one to me. Then again, if you don't run fast and skin players then simplistically minded fans cannot keep track of what's happening - they need sound bites. They need tricks. They cannot see things like hold up play or unselfish layoffs, or even assists. He's set up 2 of Rory's but did he do it with a Cryuff turn? No? Well he can f**k off then! Why bother taking a balanced view or a grown up assessment when he missed a penalty? Missing a penalty is a big clear thing that people can understand. Clarke was clearly unsupportive in his comments on the radio and sounded like he wanted to chuck him. The crowd too, I think bood him off didn't they? Let's write him off before he's even really started. Sarcasm aside, thank god we have a manager and team who work with players and bring them on. The difference has been in working with players who work hard. Ollie Clarke would be gone, Byron Moore, Montano, Snake, Gaffney, Bodin earlier this year, Tom Lockyer earlier this year, Sinclair isn't league 2 standard, Mansells too old, Lee Brown out.... All of these players were considered not up to it at points. Hey presto, with a bit of effort and work they adapt and improve. It's almost like we have a really healthy ethos where we support players and players play for each other. I would like to see a bit more of James before we write him off. The team and manager seem to see something in him. My analysis is, like Taylor, and Gaffney, LJ is lacking in confidence. He's not shooting, he is laying everything off. Taylor towards the end did one thing - shoot. LJ smashes it every match. I say if the manager has worked this long on him, take that into account and don't write another player off as a bit of work pays off - as we have seen consistently. Absolutely spot on.....top post
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 6:24:11 GMT
I will leave the judgement to DC, but I would say this is a typical knee jerk reaction and I do not rate the views of the majority of fans. Every single member of the squad has had a bad patch. First Taylor, then Gaffney - a few weeks ago he wasn't good enough either. Strikers who don't score for a few games at the start immediately become league one standard when they score, like Rory has found recently. If you watch the game you will see lots of things James is doing which appear pretty league one to me. Then again, if you don't run fast and skin players then simplistically minded fans cannot keep track of what's happening - they need sound bites. They need tricks. They cannot see things like hold up play or unselfish layoffs, or even assists. He's set up 2 of Rory's but did he do it with a Cryuff turn? No? Well he can f**k off then! Why bother taking a balanced view or a grown up assessment when he missed a penalty? Missing a penalty is a big clear thing that people can understand. Clarke was clearly unsupportive in his comments on the radio and sounded like he wanted to chuck him. The crowd too, I think bood him off didn't they? Let's write him off before he's even really started. Sarcasm aside, thank god we have a manager and team who work with players and bring them on. The difference has been in working with players who work hard. Ollie Clarke would be gone, Byron Moore, Montano, Snake, Gaffney, Bodin earlier this year, Tom Lockyer earlier this year, Sinclair isn't league 2 standard, Mansells too old, Lee Brown out.... All of these players were considered not up to it at points. Hey presto, with a bit of effort and work they adapt and improve. It's almost like we have a really healthy ethos where we support players and players play for each other. I would like to see a bit more of James before we write him off. The team and manager seem to see something in him. My analysis is, like Taylor, and Gaffney, LJ is lacking in confidence. He's not shooting, he is laying everything off. Taylor towards the end did one thing - shoot. LJ smashes it every match. I say if the manager has worked this long on him, take that into account and don't write another player off as a bit of work pays off - as we have seen consistently. Absolutely spot on.....top post :thanks mate )....oh, forget to say, he should have had that penalty :-)
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 19, 2017 8:03:15 GMT
As for the penalty, you could tell straight away he didn't want to take it. As soon as the ref pointed to the spot he started to walk away from the area before being given the ball after Bodin was convinced to let Luke take it. Got to admit, I thought the opposite. As soon as the penalty was given, he picked the ball up and carried it to the spot. Looked to me that he was determined to take it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:11:42 GMT
Luke will come good in my opinion
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Post by grayraydon on Mar 19, 2017 8:18:40 GMT
Can't say I agree with the op, I personally really like Luke and honestly think that DC will sign him on for next season along with Gaffers and a couple of new signings, whilst letting Ellis and Easter go.
Obviously DC rates him and he is the type of player that he wants in the team, he is also only 22 so has still got a lot of improving to do and we all know how good our manager is at bringing on and improving players that people have written off as being not good enough for whatever level we are at.
Keep the faith.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:21:29 GMT
I will leave the judgement to DC, but I would say this is a typical knee jerk reaction and I do not rate the views of the majority of fans. Every single member of the squad has had a bad patch. First Taylor, then Gaffney - a few weeks ago he wasn't good enough either. Strikers who don't score for a few games at the start immediately become league one standard when they score, like Rory has found recently. If you watch the game you will see lots of things James is doing which appear pretty league one to me. Then again, if you don't run fast and skin players then simplistically minded fans cannot keep track of what's happening - they need sound bites. They need tricks. They cannot see things like hold up play or unselfish layoffs, or even assists. He's set up 2 of Rory's but did he do it with a Cryuff turn? No? Well he can f**k off then! Why bother taking a balanced view or a grown up assessment when he missed a penalty? Missing a penalty is a big clear thing that people can understand. Clarke was clearly unsupportive in his comments on the radio and sounded like he wanted to chuck him. The crowd too, I think bood him off didn't they? Let's write him off before he's even really started. Sarcasm aside, thank god we have a manager and team who work with players and bring them on. The difference has been in working with players who work hard. Ollie Clarke would be gone, Byron Moore, Montano, Snake, Gaffney, Bodin earlier this year, Tom Lockyer earlier this year, Sinclair isn't league 2 standard, Mansells too old, Lee Brown out.... All of these players were considered not up to it at points. Hey presto, with a bit of effort and work they adapt and improve. It's almost like we have a really healthy ethos where we support players and players play for each other. I would like to see a bit more of James before we write him off. The team and manager seem to see something in him. My analysis is, like Taylor, and Gaffney, LJ is lacking in confidence. He's not shooting, he is laying everything off. Taylor towards the end did one thing - shoot. LJ smashes it every match. I say if the manager has worked this long on him, take that into account and don't write another player off as a bit of work pays off - as we have seen consistently. Absolutely spot on.....top post I completely agree - my thoughts on James is that he has great all round play - he just is lacking the final finish although he's been really unlucky in hitting the post, shots cleared off the line etc. The penalty wasn't that bad - he hit power and down the middle - 8/10 times the keeper dives and he would have scored. Just look at Harrison's last couple of penalties - down the middle but scored .... For a small Guy James has a great leap and is good in the air, he's got a good touch, he's got good hold up play, he's pretty quick, he has a good pass, is a team player and unselfish, he is tenacious and high work rate and he's got good all round movement - he creates space and is always an option.... I don't buy into this strikers should only be assessed on if they score goals or not and if they're not prolific then they're crap ..... James is a very good player and he will score before the end of this season and he'll be here next season..... That's my view....
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Post by markczgas on Mar 19, 2017 8:27:16 GMT
Well-said Bluestick BUT if doesn't get any or very few goals then he'll only be a squad player, right ? We need a Taylor replacement to partner Gaffney, don't we ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:45:25 GMT
Well-said Bluestick BUT if doesn't get any or very few goals then he'll only be a squad player, right ? We need a Taylor replacement to partner Gaffney, don't we ? I agree that irrespective of whether he's here we do need to sign another striker in the summer - someone who is maybe a bit more out and out stick in the box lethal finisher. Then on my assumption that we'll have Ellis, Gaffney and James here next season they'll compliment the group and give us a few different options depending on formations etc....
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 19, 2017 10:04:45 GMT
Don't we need our strikers to pop up with at least the odd goal? James has been here all season now and is yet to score, I can't simply be unlucky/lacking confidence for that left of time? Bar the pen yesterday he never got in one goal scoring position against a very poor side.
I guess if DC can get him on the cheap, he's worth a gamble as a squad player but I certainly wouldn't contemplate offering him a decent contract/paying P'boro a transfer fee.
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Post by madgas on Mar 19, 2017 10:11:18 GMT
Odd POV I notice.
1) no one has given Luke James credit for laying on a very good assist.
2) 'he's supposed to do what Matty Taylor did' yes- ideally but every team in this division could say that about a striker.
3) the idea that we're gonna release all the strikers. Nope.
We will keep 2/3 should they agree to sign. Even if three remain Darrell will look to add 2. DC likes 5. There's no point leaving himself with so much work to do during the summer by releasing everyone.
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Post by stapletongas on Mar 19, 2017 10:11:58 GMT
How much of this was not written about Taylor in his first 10 starts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 10:14:15 GMT
It's pretty clear that DC rates him. If you listen to some of Clarke's recent interviews he's saying all the same things he said when Taylor first signed and was struggling for goals. I get the impression he sees him as work in progress and worth persisting with. From what I've seen so far we could do better but I can definitely see DC offering him a contract at the end of the year. As for the penalty, you could tell straight away he didn't want to take it. As soon as the ref pointed to the spot he started to walk away from the area before being given the ball after Bodin was convinced to let Luke take it. I'm not sure why that decision is even being made during a game and I'd much rather we had system where players know prior to kickoff who's responsible for spot kicks. Let's make sure the games won before we start handing out favours. I think the players knew it was supposed to be Bodin to take the kick but changed the plan themselves to try and help a team-mate. DC in his interview seems to support the players in letting James take the kick. I'll forgive them this time but agree it's best to stick with an agreed penalty taker rather than ask someone to take it whose not expecting the job.
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