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Post by dmacca65 on Aug 31, 2014 8:40:30 GMT
A couple of things, interesting thread although it has meandered off topic. On a personal front. Aghast, I dont come on here to moan, I come on here to discuss all things Brfc. As an exile, not many of my licals are interested so I come herento chat. Thats it. A viewpoint based upon evidence is no more moaning than calling you a rose Tinter for praising the team after they have won. Moderation. My personal viewpoint is that the Mods here step close to the line sometimes. Whereas the IF mods allow just about anything to go there have a couple of examples in the short life of this forum where posts have been deleted, altered or threads moderated. A while back I was subjected to this, for no good reason I would contend, although I did privately agree to moderate my own sarcasm, agreeing that this was not being taken in the spirit it was intended. But I also had my profile tampered with, a moderator adding childish acronyms. Now we have a moderator altering the title of a members original post. This makes me feel uneasy, and then for another member to be told to go elsewhere "if they dont like it" just adds to that sense of unease. Careful mods, you are in danger of making this forum look like a personal plaything. The bit in Red above, is this true?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 8:43:38 GMT
A couple of things, interesting thread although it has meandered off topic. On a personal front. Aghast, I dont come on here to moan, I come on here to discuss all things Brfc. As an exile, not many of my licals are interested so I come herento chat. Thats it. A viewpoint based upon evidence is no more moaning than calling you a rose Tinter for praising the team after they have won. Moderation. My personal viewpoint is that the Mods here step close to the line sometimes. Whereas the IF mods allow just about anything to go there have a couple of examples in the short life of this forum where posts have been deleted, altered or threads moderated. A while back I was subjected to this, for no good reason I would contend, although I did privately agree to moderate my own sarcasm, agreeing that this was not being taken in the spirit it was intended. But I also had my profile tampered with, a moderator adding childish acronyms. Now we have a moderator altering the title of a members original post. This makes me feel uneasy, and then for another member to be told to go elsewhere "if they dont like it" just adds to that sense of unease. Careful mods, you are in danger of making this forum look like a personal plaything. The bit in Red above, is this true? Yep, look back through the reponses.
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Post by dmacca65 on Aug 31, 2014 8:55:35 GMT
The bit in Red above, is this true? Yep, look back through the reponses. Oldie, I would rarely get involved in tittle tattle on here between anyone and Im not gonna go looking back through threads, but it would be interesting to understand the point of view of the person who made this statement (it was obviously a moderator?) This might appear to be backing your point of view on the matter, but it isn't, just interested why a Moderator? would make this statement? I have heard it directed at fans of this club who are being critical (if you dont like it go and support the other lot) and it annoys me to hell, its as simple as that. I believe a moderator should be better than that, though granted we all lose our cool at times.
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Post by jozer on Aug 31, 2014 8:59:44 GMT
This MB does have a whiff of the old OF about it, doesn't it? Interesting to come here and see what people think, but it wouldn't suprise me if I get banned at some point, and it won't bother me either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 9:11:42 GMT
Isn't it sometimes better to take a deep breath, dust yourselves down and crack on with life? Rather than bleating on and on, over and over, labouring petty points about plays on words and alternative meanings on a bl00dy footy forum!
Fox me, it's like a school playground.
This forum is becoming as delicate as our football club, ready to shatter at the slightest thing.
You f**kin bunch of lady gardens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 9:23:41 GMT
Isn't it sometimes better to take a deep breath, dust yourselves down and crack on with life? Rather than bleating on and on, over and over, labouring petty points about plays on words and alternative meanings on a bl00dy footy forum! Fox me, it's like a school playground. This forum is becoming as delicate as our football club, ready to shatter at the slightest thing. You ***g bunch of lady gardens. I'll have you know my geraniums are something to behold, you swine.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 31, 2014 9:30:34 GMT
Oldie, I take it you think that the no moderation or very little on the IF is good? Sorry but I just hope this forum stays at least like it is now because pretty well EVERY thread no matter what the topic on the IF becomes a criticism of the Board. The real sad thing about both forums is that the number of topics about the games themselves in much reduced. I have to admit that I have now reached the stage where I just go along with the forums as they are and don't even bother most games now to write my views. Interesting topics are becoming a rare commodity these days and personally think the Moderaters do a pretty good job. My only criticism of both forums would be that it would be better if there was a separate section for criticism of the board so as all other topics could actually be football related and not ruined. Maybe a section called Moaners Corner!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 9:59:32 GMT
Oldie, I take it you think that the no moderation or very little on the IF is good? Sorry but I just hope this forum stays at least like it is now because pretty well EVERY thread no matter what the topic on the IF becomes a criticism of the Board. The real sad thing about both forums is that the number of topics about the games themselves in much reduced. I have to admit that I have now reached the stage where I just go along with the forums as they are and don't even bother most games now to write my views. Interesting topics are becoming a rare commodity these days and personally think the Moderaters do a pretty good job. My only criticism of both forums would be that it would be better if there was a separate section for criticism of the board so as all other topics could actually be football related and not ruined. Maybe a section called Moaners Corner!! Yes Steve, I do believe that clearly stated rules of engagement should largely negate moderation, only idiots and kids would be stupid enough to post and break the rules. To want to join a forum with set rules is then a matter of individual choice. On the IF, I dont agree with you. There are 14 football related to threads started on the 30th, and NO new threads at all relating to off field issues started on that date. I read your posts with interest and I personally have deferred commenting to any real extent on the manager, the squad or performances as I think it is far to early in the season to be able to glean any real trend. I commented on the Barnet game because I was there and witnessed first hand what appeared to be tactical chaos. But, tactics can be sorted and I was hugely encouraged by the FGR performance, it was chalk and cheese by comparison. If you, personally, do not agree that the off field management of the club has a direct bearing on the outcomes on the pitch, fair enough. I profoundly disagree, and I would contend that the last five years make that point very concisely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 15:27:51 GMT
Moaners corner could work actually!
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Post by norton gasbottle on Aug 31, 2014 17:44:59 GMT
Anyone disagree now that three games is a rediculous amount of time to judge anyone to the extent that they should be sacked? Sorry guys but I rate the bloke, always have done and can see the side coming together slowly, in my opinion he has not brought in a crap player considering his budget...and given time I can only see us going from strength to strength ,he has a good back room staff in MS and SY plus others......its a shame about our scouting network not being to strong....but I feel he will be here for the long haul and given the latest results rightly so.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 31, 2014 19:34:03 GMT
We are told there are two things that are difficult to deal with as far players at our club are concerned this season. 1. Getting used to playing for Bristol Rovers and the level of expectation that goes with it. 2. Playing in the Conference for the first time and acclimatising yourself to the demands of it. I noticed in Saturday's programme there were 25 squad members....and a table that asserted 11 of them had made their debuts for us this season. So we can assume those 11 are dealing with the first difficulty. Of the other 14 six have not played a competitive game for us yet and of the other eight only Lee Brown had played at Conference level before so that is seven are dealing with the other difficulty. So imagine being a manager of a squad of 25 beginning a season where 18 are likely to be facing one demon, 6 are facing two and the other one is wondering whether he made the right choice in going against his agents advice to stay put. There is enough going on in their heads to make it difficult to get them all focused on the job in hand and get them to play how you want. Even a vastly experienced manager might struggle a bit with that.
In the light of those challenges we've hardly made a disastrous start and there are signs with each game that the team are getting their heads round it and that has to be credit to the manager and his team
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 20:24:41 GMT
We are told there are two things that are difficult to deal with as far players at our club are concerned this season. 1. Getting used to playing for Bristol Rovers and the level of expectation that goes with it. 2. Playing in the Conference for the first time and acclimatising yourself to the demands of it. I noticed in Saturday's programme there were 25 squad members....and a table that asserted 11 of them had made their debuts for us this season. So we can assume those 11 are dealing with the first difficulty. Of the other 14 six have not played a competitive game for us yet and of the other eight only Lee Brown had played at Conference level before so that is seven are dealing with the other difficulty. So imagine being a manager of a squad of 25 beginning a season where 18 are likely to be facing one demon, 6 are facing two and the other one is wondering whether he made the right choice in going against his agents advice to stay put. There is enough going on in their heads to make it difficult to get them all focused on the job in hand and get them to play how you want. Even a vastly experienced manager might struggle a bit with that. In the light of those challenges we've hardly made a disastrous start and there are signs with each game that the team are getting their heads round it and that has to be credit to the manager and his team Good post, individuals respond differently to challenges there are signs we are improving
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 21:06:15 GMT
We are told there are two things that are difficult to deal with as far players at our club are concerned this season. 1. Getting used to playing for Bristol Rovers and the level of expectation that goes with it. 2. Playing in the Conference for the first time and acclimatising yourself to the demands of it. I noticed in Saturday's programme there were 25 squad members....and a table that asserted 11 of them had made their debuts for us this season. So we can assume those 11 are dealing with the first difficulty. Of the other 14 six have not played a competitive game for us yet and of the other eight only Lee Brown had played at Conference level before so that is seven are dealing with the other difficulty. So imagine being a manager of a squad of 25 beginning a season where 18 are likely to be facing one demon, 6 are facing two and the other one is wondering whether he made the right choice in going against his agents advice to stay put. There is enough going on in their heads to make it difficult to get them all focused on the job in hand and get them to play how you want. Even a vastly experienced manager might struggle a bit with that. In the light of those challenges we've hardly made a disastrous start and there are signs with each game that the team are getting their heads round it and that has to be credit to the manager and his team Well if anybody needs an excuse for our indifferent form this season, this post nicely back them up. Nicely written but for me it is nothing more than a dressed up set of excuses. The 25 squad members have been assembled by the management based upon their judgement of who they think can constitute a competitive team in this league. If subsequently these excuses emerge, the finger of blame begins to extend from my hand. Nice post though.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 31, 2014 22:01:57 GMT
We are told there are two things that are difficult to deal with as far players at our club are concerned this season. 1. Getting used to playing for Bristol Rovers and the level of expectation that goes with it. 2. Playing in the Conference for the first time and acclimatising yourself to the demands of it. I noticed in Saturday's programme there were 25 squad members....and a table that asserted 11 of them had made their debuts for us this season. So we can assume those 11 are dealing with the first difficulty. Of the other 14 six have not played a competitive game for us yet and of the other eight only Lee Brown had played at Conference level before so that is seven are dealing with the other difficulty. So imagine being a manager of a squad of 25 beginning a season where 18 are likely to be facing one demon, 6 are facing two and the other one is wondering whether he made the right choice in going against his agents advice to stay put. There is enough going on in their heads to make it difficult to get them all focused on the job in hand and get them to play how you want. Even a vastly experienced manager might struggle a bit with that. In the light of those challenges we've hardly made a disastrous start and there are signs with each game that the team are getting their heads round it and that has to be credit to the manager and his team Well if anybody needs an excuse for our indifferent form this season, this post nicely back them up. Nicely written but for me it is nothing more than a dressed up set of excuses. The 25 squad members have been assembled by the management based upon their judgement of who they think can constitute a competitive team in this league. If subsequently these excuses emerge, the finger of blame begins to extend from my hand. Nice post though. Both "excuses" have a time limit though don't they? It is just a question of how much slack they buy! More than three games certainly!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:07:05 GMT
Well if anybody needs an excuse for our indifferent form this season, this post nicely back them up. Nicely written but for me it is nothing more than a dressed up set of excuses. The 25 squad members have been assembled by the management based upon their judgement of who they think can constitute a competitive team in this league. If subsequently these excuses emerge, the finger of blame begins to extend from my hand. Nice post though. Both "excuses" have a time limit though don't they? It is just a question of how much slack they buy! More than three games certainly! Agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:18:54 GMT
some interesting things being said..... thanx for posting your thoughts about it chaps.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 10:21:33 GMT
A couple of things, interesting thread although it has meandered off topic. On a personal front. Aghast, I dont come on here to moan, I come on here to discuss all things Brfc. As an exile, not many of my licals are interested so I come herento chat. Thats it. A viewpoint based upon evidence is no more moaning than calling you a rose Tinter for praising the team after they have won. Moderation. My personal viewpoint is that the Mods here step close to the line sometimes. Whereas the IF mods allow just about anything to go there have a couple of examples in the short life of this forum where posts have been deleted, altered or threads moderated. A while back I was subjected to this, for no good reason I would contend, although I did privately agree to moderate my own sarcasm, agreeing that this was not being taken in the spirit it was intended. But I also had my profile tampered with, a moderator adding childish acronyms. Now we have a moderator altering the title of a members original post. This makes me feel uneasy, and then for another member to be told to go elsewhere "if they dont like it" just adds to that sense of unease. Careful mods, you are in danger of making this forum look like a personal plaything. Totally agree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 10:24:04 GMT
Well that's one less thing to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 10:30:00 GMT
Clarke bashing is allowed! Sorry, I should have explained myself more clearly - I was trying to indicate that some people may not have bothered reading the thread, due to the original title. My take on it was that Ras was just trying to be helpful, giving a bit of clarification as to the content of the OP's post. Perhaps, being generous. I have my doubts. The thing is, arent we old enough and clever enough to determine these things ourselves? On a lighter note, I understand you like wine. We are opening on September 22nd, just north of Bristol. If you like Gavi di Gavi, or deep reds from the Languedoc, then we are as one. Of course real ales from the Burton Union and more locally, plus ciders will be in abundance. Good honest food at your leisure. Where exactly and what is the name please ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 10:47:58 GMT
I still think Clarke is out of his depth but that he is learning. It remains to be seen if allowing a manager to learn on the job is a wise thing to do. I worry about his man management skills or lack thereof and I worry that he can undermine certain players to the point of them wanting to leave. From what I have been told, as I've not been going, is that we have had probably 1 decent game followed up with another 45 minutes of decent football. I hope that the win V Halifax gives the team some much needed confidence and that we push on from here. I was intending to go Saturday but still not able to stand that long. I hope I am very wrong about DC but I have my doubts over his man management and lack of contacts even at this level. That's all folks
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