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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 23, 2017 10:13:09 GMT
Does Darrell have 2 years left or is it a three year rolling contract?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 10:15:21 GMT
He will leave to manage a more ambitious club and im sure he will do well. The owner has spent sweet fa on brfc and if higgs had stayed we would be exactly where we are now in truth. If he stays he will become just another struggling league 1 manager with no money to spend but being blamed when we struggle. If Higgs was here now we'd be in the same position?😂How on earth did you get away with no response in 8 hours after this post?! Purely on the playing side im not sure that wael has made that much difference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 10:26:32 GMT
I think he will stay but if that offer you cannot refuse comes in then who know. DC will leave one day if not next year then it will be the year after or the year after that. Nothing last forever and so we need to keep developing on and off the pitch so we can better deal with his departure when it comes. If we have a structured backroom staff, good training facilities and ideally a new stadium then we will be better placed to deal with his moving when it eventually happen. I'd love him to stay for many more years and become the Shankley of the Gas but realistically managers move today and the better we are on and off the pitch when that happen the better chance we have of dealing with it. I think he's here for next year but we need to progress whether he stays or goes.
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Post by madgas on Apr 23, 2017 10:28:38 GMT
Does Darrell have 2 years left or is it a three year rolling contract? 2 years. But two years is long for a manager. It's like 3 years in players years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 11:40:30 GMT
Was DC interviewed for the Leeds job? If he was (I think he was) then that alone surely says that he will be interested in a championship manager position if offered one. Voted no because there must be a huge possibility that he will get offer(s) unfortunately for us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 12:13:57 GMT
Was DC interviewed for the Leeds job? If he was (I think he was) then that alone surely says that he will be interested in a championship manager position if offered one. Voted no because there must be a huge possibility that he will get offer(s) unfortunately for us. Yes he was, to be fair it would've been insane not to at least consider one of the biggest clubs in the country. If a stable club with ambition comes in (see Norwich or others), then I don't blame him for going at all. I don't blame any manager for taking a chance if it comes along in the current climate. For Rovers its about setting ourselves up off the pitch over the next few years so that a manager leaving won't have catastrophic consequences.
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Post by baggins on Apr 23, 2017 12:50:09 GMT
Was DC interviewed for the Leeds job? If he was (I think he was) then that alone surely says that he will be interested in a championship manager position if offered one. Voted no because there must be a huge possibility that he will get offer(s) unfortunately for us. Yes he was, to be fair it would've been insane not to at least consider one of the biggest clubs in the country. If a stable club with ambition comes in (see Norwich or others), then I don't blame him for going at all. I don't blame any manager for taking a chance if it comes along in the current climate. For Rovers its about setting ourselves up off the pitch over the next few years so that a manager leaving won't have catastrophic consequences. To be fair, we are a stable club with ambition. The only reason he would leave, is money.
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Post by You can call me Al. on Apr 23, 2017 13:03:47 GMT
In case you missed it........
“I am a loyal person, and in that way I am very loyal to the owners who have supported me and the fans who have supported me”
“If I wanted personal gain I would have signed for Leeds in the summer with a massive pay rise, But that’s not how I work.”
“I want to continue here and keep working hard to get Rovers up the ladder even more. Everything about this club in the last three years has improved without a shadow of a doubt”
“That’s because I’ve been driving it and we’ve been driving it, the staff have been driving things forward to lose the ‘rag-arse’ Rovers tag that people associated with us previously.”
Darrell Clarke
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 23, 2017 13:09:04 GMT
Yes he was, to be fair it would've been insane not to at least consider one of the biggest clubs in the country. If a stable club with ambition comes in (see Norwich or others), then I don't blame him for going at all. I don't blame any manager for taking a chance if it comes along in the current climate. For Rovers its about setting ourselves up off the pitch over the next few years so that a manager leaving won't have catastrophic consequences. To be fair, we are a stable club with ambition. The only reason he would leave, is money. The question of whether our ambition is matching DC's is clearly linked to the UWE being built. If it falls through it will more than likely be 3 years at least if we're looking for a different ground. That's a huge amount of time for a manager and DC may want to play the percentages. If UWE doesn't happen he could get a championship job now with the associated bigger budgets, better infrastructure and facilities and with more realistic and achievable ambitions than ours in the shorter term. With our current playing budget and just with the law of averages (we've never had an injury crisis under him, for instance) it is possible we will tread water or go backwards in those three years and he would no longer be such hot property. It really is a crossroads for DC and the club and what happens with the UWE is all important, in my opinion. Sorry to put a dampener on things, but that's why I have voted 'no', though it was a close call.
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Post by baggins on Apr 23, 2017 13:18:09 GMT
To be fair, we are a stable club with ambition. The only reason he would leave, is money. The question of whether our ambition is matching DC's is clearly linked to the UWE being built. If it falls through it will more than likely be 3 years at least if we're looking for a different ground. That's a huge amount of time for a manager and DC may want to play the percentages. If UWE doesn't happen he could get a championship job now with the associated bigger budgets, better infrastructure and facilities and with more realistic and achievable ambitions than ours in the shorter term. With our current playing budget and just with the law of averages (we've never had an injury crisis under him, for instance) it is possible we will tread water or go backwards in those three years and he would no longer be such hot property. It really is a crossroads for DC and the club and what happens with the UWE is all important, in my opinion. Sorry to put a dampener on things, but that's why I have voted 'no', though it was a close call. You think he's here purely on whether a new stadium happens?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 23, 2017 13:22:49 GMT
The question of whether our ambition is matching DC's is clearly linked to the UWE being built. If it falls through it will more than likely be 3 years at least if we're looking for a different ground. That's a huge amount of time for a manager and DC may want to play the percentages. If UWE doesn't happen he could get a championship job now with the associated bigger budgets, better infrastructure and facilities and with more realistic and achievable ambitions than ours in the shorter term. With our current playing budget and just with the law of averages (we've never had an injury crisis under him, for instance) it is possible we will tread water or go backwards in those three years and he would no longer be such hot property. It really is a crossroads for DC and the club and what happens with the UWE is all important, in my opinion. Sorry to put a dampener on things, but that's why I have voted 'no', though it was a close call. You think he's here purely on whether a new stadium happens? No, I'm sure he doesn't see it in those terms, but if we accept that this is our natural level as a club and we don't have the revenue streams etc to increase our playing budget, then there has to be a good chance our progress will level off. I just think if the UWE falls through I worry it could swing the balance of any decision he has to make.
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Post by baggins on Apr 23, 2017 13:27:40 GMT
You think he's here purely on whether a new stadium happens? No, I'm sure he doesn't see it in those terms, but if we accept that this is our natural level as a club and we don't have the revenue streams etc to increase our playing budget, then there has to be a good chance our progress will level off. I just think if the UWE falls through I worry it could swing the balance of any decision he has to make. I'm sure there's been many a chat between DC and Wael regarding budgets, targets, stadium and ambitions over the past few months. Hopefully DC will decide that he's here for the ride.
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Post by Icegas on Apr 23, 2017 14:04:45 GMT
I disagree. Reasonable debates are one thing which Im all for, however there are people in our fanbase that are not happy unless they are moaning or are able to feel the victim about something within our club. Yes there are people like that of course, I hope you are not putting me in that category though? As that is how it came across. I'm not putting you,or anyone else in any box.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 23, 2017 14:09:41 GMT
In case you missed it........ “I am a loyal person, and in that way I am very loyal to the owners who have supported me and the fans who have supported me”
“If I wanted personal gain I would have signed for Leeds in the summer with a massive pay rise, But that’s not how I work.”
“I want to continue here and keep working hard to get Rovers up the ladder even more. Everything about this club in the last three years has improved without a shadow of a doubt”
“That’s because I’ve been driving it and we’ve been driving it, the staff have been driving things forward to lose the ‘rag-arse’ Rovers tag that people associated with us previously.”
Darrell Clarke
Words are cheap. I don't doubt his loyalty but I suspect that loyalty will only stretch so far.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2017 14:13:56 GMT
Obviously if Wael delivers neither project he'll probably be off Exactly. So the big question for me is what timescales is DC willing to tolerate to wait for the training ground and the stadium to be complete? 2 years? 4 years? 10 years? That is probably the most pertinent question here I think. Because lets face it a manager of his calibre is not going to sit around treading water with us forever no matter how much he says he loves being here. So realistically, what are your thoughts on that? How long would DC be prepared to knock back offers from clubs with better infrastructure and funding to wait for us to catch up? Assuming we agree a deal with the UWE this summer you would expect us to start work within 6 to 12 months and so finish the build by two summers from now. If we don't agree a deal this summer then the UWE will be dead anyway so it won't be a case of waiting 6 years etc. Whether DC is prepared to stay around if the UWE deal is dead is anybody's guess.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2017 14:18:05 GMT
Why can't we match his ambition, what more can he want than a state of the art 22,000 seat stadium and a similar training facility he's personally helped to design? If Weal delivers those and he still quits then so be it, as it looks like he was always going to quit but will he really find a better club? Nobody in Div 1 can offer much now the big 3 have been promoted, so he's probably looking at a bottom half Championship club. Obviously if Wael delivers neither project he'll probably be off but DC leaving could be the least of our worries if that happens! It looks like an interesting summer is coming up. The 22000 state of the art stadium is still quite a bit away and is it really that big a deal when you compare it to other clubs who already have 22000 seater stadiums or more? The reality is DC has done a fantastic job here and for that reason, he will be linked with plenty of jobs in the summer. We've just got to hope a big fish doesn't come in for him. A big fish has already come in for him, they may even return this summer if they miss out on a Play Off spot, but he's turned the offer down. Unless Wael let's him down then why will jump ship anymore this summer than last. If he does leave there's little we can do about it anyway.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 23, 2017 14:20:20 GMT
The 22000 state of the art stadium is still quite a bit away and is it really that big a deal when you compare it to other clubs who already have 22000 seater stadiums or more? The reality is DC has done a fantastic job here and for that reason, he will be linked with plenty of jobs in the summer. We've just got to hope a big fish doesn't come in for him. A big fish has already come in for him, they may even return this summer if they miss out on a Play Off spot, but he's turned the offer down. Unless Wael let's him down then why will jump ship anymore this summer than last. If he does leave there's little we can do about it anyway. No sh**? We can still discuss it though.
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Post by adrian301 on Apr 23, 2017 19:29:05 GMT
If Higgs was here now we'd be in the same position?😂How on earth did you get away with no response in 8 hours after this post?! Purely on the playing side im not sure that wael has made that much difference. Quite agree. I hear the budget we had was bottom 8 of Div 1. I bet the owners would not have fully funded a Championship wage bill of 20m, just to compete and stay up. Current wage bill is probably around 2m.....
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Post by gasincider on Apr 23, 2017 20:33:45 GMT
Purely on the playing side im not sure that wael has made that much difference. Quite agree. I hear the budget we had was bottom 8 of Div 1. I bet the owners would not have fully funded a Championship wage bill of 20m, just to compete and stay up. Current wage bill is probably around 2m..... Burtons players budget was under £6m. As said by their impressive manager. Ours was just over £2.25m as mentioned by ............... at the training day. Difference is that TV revenue in the championship paid for theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 20:41:30 GMT
I agree. I never get why a good percentage of our fanbase are so un-ambitious and seem to love us being ragbag Rovers and are so damm negative! Let's get this straight. We are a club from a massive city, with a large current fanbase with a huge potential fanbase for growth.Ok we have tents for stands right now,and as of now we are currently playing catch up with other clubs in terms of infrastructure but our owners are doing there best to fix this asap. DC is a wise man.He clearly loves our club,can see what going on behind the scenes otherwise he would had been off to Leeds.DC has brought himself time with our fanbase and board to be the complete captain of our ship for many years to come. Once the training ground is built,and the UWE has been started, the question is would there be a better or more attractive club for DC to manage then us given our potential and his relationship with us. It's not negative. It's a reasonable debate with arguments either side. Fascist
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