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Post by Langford Gas on May 1, 2017 8:11:31 GMT
If they are going to give him a top 6 budget I assume they know that by now, unless they are hoping to find a million or two at the back of the club safe. This is the second or third interview DC's given about budgets but we've heard nothing from the other two. I can't imagine for one minute DC will get anywhere near a top six budget based on this season. To quantify that statement, when I went to Bolton I had a drink with the Bolton Chairman and a n another and he quite openly told us he had three players on 35k a week and one on 28k, that for me put The comments DC made earlier in the season about having a bottom half budget into context. Why did he tell us ? because he was pretty P1ss3d off that one of his strikers on 28k didn't turn up because basically he didn't feel like it !! ( long story) I would imagine the same would apply for at least Sheff utd if no one else.
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Post by markczgas on May 1, 2017 8:17:29 GMT
All his recent interviews have clearly stated he wants a much increased playing budget. Interesting times ahead one way or the other. More like depressing than interesting if we sign loads of loan signings again and Bodin goes.
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 1, 2017 8:24:55 GMT
The fact that DC has to publically beg for funds tells you he doubts they will be forthcoming. It makes his decision to leave easier, the fans know he wants to stay and build the club up, and his reputation is protected if he leaves.
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Post by oldgas on May 1, 2017 8:49:27 GMT
DC is going public about his budget to let all the greedy, grasping agents who are circling the club eager to extort ridiculous fees and salaries for those they represent that there isn't a bottomless pit they can dip their buckets into. Much better to let them think funds are limited and realistic deals are expected.
I suspect DC's budget has been agreed already. Doesn't he have a catch-up with Wael everyday? I've no doubt the budget was agreed some time ago, and that come June already identified targets will be approached. Why do that having let the world know he has a top budget, and have those greedy, grasping parasites demand inflated prices for their clients services?
Much better to go into negotiations with cards close to chest and obtain the best possible deal for the club.
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Post by Severncider on May 1, 2017 8:54:55 GMT
DC is going public about his budget to let all the greedy, grasping agents who are circling the club eager to extort ridiculous fees and salaries for those they represent that there isn't a bottomless pit they can dip their buckets into. Much better to let them think funds are limited and realistic deals are expected. I suspect DC's budget has been agreed already. Doesn't he have a catch-up with Wael everyday? I've no doubt the budget was agreed some time ago, and that come June already identified targets will be approached. Why do that having let the world know he has a top budget, and have those greedy, grasping parasites demand inflated prices for their clients services? Much better to go into negotiations with cards close to chest and obtain the best possible deal for the club. It was not due to take place for another two weeks but may be earlier due to not being in playoffs.
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Post by garystash on May 1, 2017 8:58:14 GMT
I do find it odd that the budget has not been agreed, and yet we have offers out to some out of contract players.
How can you decide what you're willing to pay them without knowing what you've got to spend?
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Post by oldgas on May 1, 2017 9:18:48 GMT
DC is going public about his budget to let all the greedy, grasping agents who are circling the club eager to extort ridiculous fees and salaries for those they represent that there isn't a bottomless pit they can dip their buckets into. Much better to let them think funds are limited and realistic deals are expected. I suspect DC's budget has been agreed already. Doesn't he have a catch-up with Wael everyday? I've no doubt the budget was agreed some time ago, and that come June already identified targets will be approached. Why do that having let the world know he has a top budget, and have those greedy, grasping parasites demand inflated prices for their clients services? Much better to go into negotiations with cards close to chest and obtain the best possible deal for the club. It was not due to take place for another two weeks but may be earlier due to not being in playoffs. That was for public consumption. I suspect it's been agreed already. Just my opinion, but Ivthink DC is eager to be ahead of the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 9:34:07 GMT
All his recent interviews have clearly stated he wants a much increased playing budget. Interesting times ahead one way or the other. More like depressing than interesting if we sign loads of loan signings again and Bodin goes. I feel a bit like that myself but maybe wael will suprise us and go for it? Also im not quite sure if the ffp rules make a better budget impossible?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 1, 2017 10:51:25 GMT
I do find it odd that the budget has not been agreed, and yet we have offers out to some out of contract players. How can you decide what you're willing to pay them without knowing what you've got to spend? I suspect what we have offered them will be a lot less than he players DC would like to bring in. That's not to say the budget hasn't already been agreed though.
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 1, 2017 11:01:58 GMT
More like depressing than interesting if we sign loads of loan signings again and Bodin goes. I feel a bit like that myself but maybe wael will suprise us and go for it? Also im not quite sure if the ffp rules make a better budget impossible? What you mean it isn't possible for the club who have the 6th biggest attendance in the division to have the 6th biggest budget?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 11:23:01 GMT
I feel a bit like that myself but maybe wael will suprise us and go for it? Also im not quite sure if the ffp rules make a better budget impossible? What you mean it isn't possible for the club who have the 6th biggest attendance in the division to have the 6th biggest budget? I think many clubs with lower attendances than us make more money,ie like fleetwood or walsall. I thought that was why we needed a new ground,partly so we can make more money aside from matchdays? I havnt read any detail on ffp as its a bit boring so dont really know just wondered if it was an issue for brfc.
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Post by baggins on May 1, 2017 11:30:49 GMT
I feel a bit like that myself but maybe wael will suprise us and go for it? Also im not quite sure if the ffp rules make a better budget impossible? What you mean it isn't possible for the club who have the 6th biggest attendance in the division to have the 6th biggest budget? Guess that depends on entrance fees?
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Post by stokegiffordgas on May 1, 2017 12:02:49 GMT
The most salient point he made, I thought, was that you can't keep over achieving. He's done amazingly well to get us where we are and still probably a year ahead of schedule. However if we are serious about progressing again we need to compete financially to get better players- they will still need to pass his 'fit and proper' assessment but you won't get many league 1 top 6/potential championship players from where we have shopped so far.
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Post by baggins on May 1, 2017 12:20:45 GMT
The most salient point he made, I thought, was that you can't keep over achieving. He's done amazingly well to get us where we are and still probably a year ahead of schedule. However if we are serious about progressing again we need to compete financially to get better players- they will still need to pass his 'fit and proper' assessment but you won't get many league 1 top 6/potential championship players from where we have shopped so far. Maybe not next season, but allow for the training ground to be completed, the new Stadium to be off the mark and the incentive could be there to attract players who want to be part of our success.
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Post by nsgas on May 1, 2017 13:12:24 GMT
What you mean it isn't possible for the club who have the 6th biggest attendance in the division to have the 6th biggest budget? I think many clubs with lower attendances than us make more money,ie like fleetwood or walsall. I thought that was why we needed a new ground,partly so we can make more money aside from matchdays? I havnt read any detail on ffp as its a bit boring so dont really know just wondered if it was an issue for brfc. This 1 page explanation of the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) is informative. www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.phpThe main points being: In League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts.
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Post by abbeygas on May 1, 2017 13:55:41 GMT
If they are going to give him a top 6 budget I assume they know that by now, unless they are hoping to find a million or two at the back of the club safe. This is the second or third interview DC's given about budgets but we've heard nothing from the other two. I can't imagine for one minute DC will get anywhere near a top six budget based on this season. To quantify that statement, when I went to Bolton I had a drink with the Bolton Chairman and a n another and he quite openly told us he had three players on 35k a week and one on 28k, that for me put The comments DC made earlier in the season about having a bottom half budget into context. Why did he tell us ? because he was pretty P1ss3d off that one of his strikers on 28k didn't turn up because basically he didn't feel like it !! ( long story) I would imagine the same would apply for at least Sheff utd if no one else. I don't think anyone is suggesting we pay wages the size of what Bolton were paying. I am guessing they had players on mega bucks when they came down from the championship. In my mind we shouldn't be paying more than the rumoured 5k week the snake was getting at Rovers but we do need to be prepared to pay more than just one star player this kind of wage.
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Post by abbeygas on May 1, 2017 14:03:12 GMT
DC is absolutely spot on (as usual), The time is now, we ain't that far off being top 6 team anyway so come on Wael give the rosy faced goat muncher something to really worry about. Goat sucker Abbey not muncher, there again I suppose he could eat it after a bit like a preying mantis! It's like a cry for help from DC, like someone standing on ledge 10 floors up and threatening to jump off. They don't want to do it they just need help, hence DC saying back me Weal or I'm off! Come on Wael let's be avin you, we could really do with a reassuring statement from him regarding prity much everything at the club. It will be a long summer without one. UTG Sorry Marshfield I did mean to write goat sucker but for some reason wrote muncher. I had just drank 8 pints of apple juice though.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 15:07:52 GMT
Wael and Hamer made it pretty clear from the start that huge amounts of cash would not be pumped into the club but that they would work to build-up the infrastructure over time and look towards a club that developed it's own players and was sustainable. I think at the time most of us agreed with that broad strategy. DC also appeared to buy-into that strategy with money going on backroom , medical staff and training ground etc. Yes, an increase in playing budget can be expected this year but if DC is angling for a top 6 budget then he's going to be disappointed. Some have suggested these are mind-games to distract agents or the ease his way out of the club and if so then I rather DC stopped these games as they are not helpful.
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 1, 2017 15:26:50 GMT
Time for WAQ to give DC a top 6 budget. DC has made it perfectly clear in setting out his stall in the local media that he wants a competitive budget, which in my opinion he has truly earned, with increased attendances and back to back promotions, with little or no meaningful investment in the team; if Hamer comes out with his "evolution not revolution" business speak, then I guess the vultures will circle and entice DC off to one of the bigger championship clubs.
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Post by yategas78 on May 1, 2017 16:17:47 GMT
I'm sure if DC wasn't confident in the owners and thought there wasn't a sufficient playing budget he would already been off IMO
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