I will agree to disagree... but I do have a question for you....
At what point, in your opinion, should we give up on Ellis?
Ellis has scored nearly 40 goals for the Gas, including some vital ones. He is 23 years old. In the last two seasons he has had to up his game to keep track with our progress as a club. He has been a bit inconsistent but it is clear that he has the ability to do well in this division and is still improving. I'm nowhere near giving up on him just yet, though I understand that he can be frustrating.
Agreed, there is a real opportunity for Ellis to improve this season due to the fact that we have not been promoted and moved up a level. He has age on his side, knows the standard that will be expected of him in the league and in DC surely has the most positive, ambitious and capable manager he could ever hope for.
I don't think anyone would have expected Ollie Clarke to come good last season but he did to everyone's surprise. We all know Ellis has been inconsistent in the past but he definitely has the raw talent as a striker - Northampton anyone?
As long as we also bring in a couple of decent strikers then I for one would be happy to see him stay for another year to see if he can build up his confidence and improve on his consistency. UTG!
Predictably, the Shitheads are all over this news on One Turd. They're trying to make the best of it and are busy reassuring each other that it's only been done to ensure a decent sum in compensation when he goes.
A young Gashead has apparently mad a Lego model of the Mem, and the club must have put it on Twitter or something. The retards are taking the Mickey out of that as well. It seems to escaped them that such a feat would be beyond most of their adult fans, let alone their kids.
OTIB means one team in Bristol though, so they are clearly confused about things.
This OTIB thing makes me chuckle, they come up with an acronym to try and make themselves feel all superior and put us down as usual but 'one team in Bristol' doesn't actually do that.
Yes they are literally just one team in Bristol but not the only team. If they had made it stand for 'only team in Bristol' then that would have made more sense in terms of what they were trying to achieve.
The key element to all of this seems to be the manager and I don't think this position can be understated. The marraige of Howe and Bournemouth mirrors DC and us. His attitude man management and work ethic is the same as DC so I can't see any reason, if we get UWE, why we can't emulate them. We have the love.
Amazing to see that his tenure has spanned across a 9 year (bar 1 year away) period...and still counting! That is incredible and seriously bucks the current trend of short term manager placements that we are witnessing almost with the majority of clubs throughout the professional leagues.
It just goes to show what can be achieved with a combination of competence and stability at the helm and shows that the right manager can be for life not just for Christmas!
Let's hope DC can be our Eddie and stay with us for the long term. As long as we continue to progress on and off the field I can't see why not.
DC has a unique opportunity to create and shape BRFC to his own design as long as he continues to get the backing of our owners. Clearly continued progression with the training ground, budget and stadium are all important ingredients to that equation.
IMO right now we still have good reason to be optimistic in this regard as we know from the SH interview only last week that the planning application for the training ground is progressing, the budget for this season has been increased and UWE is still alive.
Looks a quality signing and it's great to hear how keen he was to join us too.
Thank god (well DC and WAQ actually) for some real news at last! Looking forward to some more announcements coming through now.
It feels like i've been checking this bloody forum almost on an hourly basis since the season finished and the amount of waffle and BS I have had to read is unbelievable. That's a significant amount of my life that I will never get back you know!
Great point. That can be a kin nightmare. The better half had it take 3.5 YEARS on property in Cornwall and due to some bizarre stuff. One being rights to any valuable assets underground, duchee of Cornwall stuff.
The only assets under UWE is coal - built on the old Harry Stoke Colliery.
Actually in construction and development terms that's a major risk and liability not an asset, find an old coal mine and it will cost you dear to fill / plug the hole!
I am building a house and refurbing the adjoining property for a mate of mine ironically enough in Eastville , now the quotation has been excepted and deal has been struck , we have also alerted the building inspector and had info/costings back from Bristol water, Wessex water , western power and Wales and west utilities regarding new services with a view to start in the very near future , we have been told that the money is available but is not yet in the coffers to begin , we have now been told that the plots have to be separated up from the new proposed plot and the adjoining existing plot before the bank will release the funds to enable the start , now this could delay things by 2/3 months I'm lead to believe, my point in all this is that although this is a much smaller project things still tend to slow the process down and if there are any issues in separating the plots i.e.: main sewers etc then this could delay the project even more , so if a small house build project can still have teething problems once the deal has been struck what's the likelihood hood of a multi-million stadium project encountering teething problems or more , basically until all the bits are in place surely it would be prudent to keep a lid on it?
Great post and illustrates very well how complex the process really is.
I work in construction as well, I'm a design manager for a very large (global) building contractor. I've spent most of my career working on commercial building projects (hospitals, retail, offices etc.) ranging from £10m to £150m in value during both the preconstruction and construction phases.
I can honestly say that the majority of time in the overall life of a project (from concept to completion) is spent in the preconstruction stage getting planning permission, finance / land deals agreed etc. It is also where the biggest risks are, hence why developers take a decent wedge from the deal as they are often funding the preconstruction stage speculatively until such time as planning is secured and the deals are signed etc.
You would have thought that the construction stage would be most difficult, time consuming and risky wouldn't you?
Although there are significant risks to be managed and challenges along the way during the build, in my experience, it is actually the easier part of the process because once the deals are done and the contracts signed there is more certainty. The project is more or less guaranteed to be finished one way or another even if it is finished late or costs more....which is unfortunately all too often the case!
I am currently working on a high rise residential project that is worth about £75m, that project has been in the planning stage for 1.5 years already and we have not yet even submitted a planning application!
Like the majority of my fellow gas heads I don't have any inside knowledge regarding UWE either and cannot be certain that it will go ahead. However the time it has taken for the new owners to work their way through the process since they took over BRFC and the UWE project does not surprise me in the least based on my own experience.
I for one do not take the recent radio silence or delay in announcing a done deal as a negative thing, in fact I think it is positive because if it was a dead duck then I'm pretty sure it would have been declared by now.
Don't get me wrong Wembley was a fantastic experience but the game itself was much more exciting and I hate penalties. Even 40k fans at Wembley could not match the atmosphere of a packed mem and the chance to take part in a pitch invasion.
The club has now confirmed it hopes to start work on the project as soon as it obtains planning.
The new ground, designed by architect Populous, will be built at Fossetts Farm to replace the Roots Hall stadium.
Previously McLaren and Bowmer & Kirkland had been in talks with the club about delivering an earlier version of the project back in 2011.
In a statement the club said: “This submission represents a major step in the future of Southend United Football Club and we now look forward to learning the decision of the council in the coming months.
“Should the council approve the submitted plans it would be the club’s intention to commence construction without delay.”
A new stadium has been in the offing for 15 years, but plans have foundered several times. The last scheme in 2008 stalled as Sainsbury’s, which was backing the club, suffered setbacks.
Let's assume UWE deal is done this summer, construction starts December 2017 and it takes a 2 year build period then we could feasibly still be at the mem for another 2.5 / 3 seasons. (I really wish I hadn't worked that out as I am now slightly depressed!)
Upgrading the drainage could therefore be worthwhile, especially if this includes pop up sprinklers and we see the back of the green wartime hydrants!
Another positive is that it also again shows how DC will leave no stone unturned in the pursuit of excellence. If this in anyway can help keep our home results as strong as they have been over the past 3 seasons then it makes sense.
If you are not convinced by those arguments then how about this.....if it keeps him happy and at Rovers then I say give the man exactly what he wants!