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Post by 68 on Jul 26, 2017 9:12:09 GMT
Looks like your lad made it safely round today. Good luck with the venture. If anyone would like to go to Worcester on Thursday please message me. Declared for the 4.00.
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 13:40:18 GMT
Or both? Let's hope the second. And so we should debate that including safe standing. I don't want to stand but I can totally understand those that do; and it will get them out of my way when they are stood in front of me. Where's the man with the walking stick when you want him? Lets get the thing built first and then talk about safe standing in a couple of years. to change the plans now would only contribute to further delays Maybe it's already being discussed. Would it need further planning permission or "just" a change in the law?
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 11:51:28 GMT
Dont worry about that puckle, we will always find something else to moan about. We are excellent at that! I predict after the UWE outcome is known, talk will turn to either (i) how skint and incompetent the new ownership is or (ii) what should be included in the new stadium and primarily debating the merits of safe standing! Or both? Let's hope the second. And so we should debate that including safe standing. I don't want to stand but I can totally understand those that do; and it will get them out of my way when they are stood in front of me. Where's the man with the walking stick when you want him?
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 11:34:08 GMT
He didn't say every 20 pages and if you do interpret it that way is it £23.50 or 87 divided by 20 times £5 equals £21.75? Either way I suggest 79 offers £25 and gets out while he's ahead. This could go on a lot longer yet... I couldn't be bothered to add it up properly, I was taking into account the remaining week until the 1st of August? So £23.50 should be about right I reckon? No problem. I was being OCD as usual. Couldn't find (or be bothered to find) the divide sign.
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 11:31:22 GMT
Then his statement is still correct If he did meet me, would I then become a w**ker, as I'm a Vegan? That really would depend upon circumstances(!!!!!!) but would have nothing to do with you being a vegan. Can I make it clear I have absolutely no issue with anyone being a vegan.
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 11:23:13 GMT
£5 to ffsc if this thread reaches 20 pages. By my reckoning your up to about £23.50 now gashead79? He didn't say every 20 pages and if you do interpret it that way is it £23.50 or 87 divided by 20 times £5 equals £21.75? Either way I suggest 79 offers £25 and gets out while he's ahead. This could go on a lot longer yet...
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 11:16:03 GMT
Its a strange one with the Gas fans though isn't it? You only have to look at this forum as some people will never be satisfied, we have made tremendous progress under DC and yet there's still moaners! One the other side we are the most passionate and loyal fans, especially when the chips are down the conference nightmare proved that. I'm not moaning I'm loving it and there's lots more to come yet. Most fans haven't been through the stadium palaver we have over 40+ years. I believe a lot of mistrust and frustration has built up and it spills onto the footballing side of the Club Personally I think we are in an extremely strong position and DC is not going to be taken for a ride by agents or players; quite right to.
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 10:08:34 GMT
When this is over what will we debate! Probably moaning about our champions league draw, and how we wanted the first leg away, so we can get the away goal! Dont worry about that puckle, we will always find something else to moan about. We are excellent at that! Aren't most fans?
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 9:01:22 GMT
Give it up lads this is becoming embarrassing, nearly 12 pages about cardboard food? Come on now! I'm actually surprised it's still in this section. Nothing todo with football really let alone Bristol Rovers. The last time I started a thread the Forum Police got it moved PDQ and it was Rovers related. But there we go. Forum Police can do what they want just like Vince can't they? Just because a couple of people made a comment.
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 8:35:16 GMT
But we are not dealing with a question of the law we are dealing with a principal. Not being able to drink alcohol and the colour of the shirt could be changed at the whim of the owner; just because she/he can. Is it right that she/he should do so just to satisfy her/his belief? I'm sure there are many more examples; some of which will cause more controversy than others and affect different people in different ways. It's not really anything to do with eating a meat pie it's the principal we are dealing with. It's wrong and slightly ignorant to change everyone’s way of enjoying a game of football just to satisfy your own personal belief and ego; whatever it might be that you choose to change. Yes. Every person should have the freedom to deal with their personal assets in whatever way they choose. That includes running your business in whatever way you want. They do and he does. What he is not doing is thinking about the people who go to watch. His belief/ego is so much more important that theirs isn't it?
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Post by 68 on Jul 24, 2017 7:53:40 GMT
Decent point. Just because he believes it morally unacceptable shouldn't mean he changes a norm for all of his customers though imo. Introducing alternatives is great, but a blanket ban is ott. That is forcing his beliefs as prior to the change, people will have had their routine on matchday which they now have been made to alter. It's one of those issues which would sound unrealistic if it was suggested in principle. It would not pass the vote. It would cause a stir. It is similar to the Cardiff bloke changing the kit colour because he strongly believed red was lucky. If I took over the local community centre and stopped bingo because I believed it morally unnaceptable taking money from old biddies, it would be worthy of complaints and completely unnecessary no matter my belief. Your analogies are all easily distinguishable: A feminist wouldn't be able to ban men from the ground. That's something we do have laws on. We have laws about it because it matters - unlike whether or not you get a burger. Changing the colour of the strip isn't the same either - we don't go around chanting "Darrell Clarke's meat eating army" do we? It's not an integral part of the club's identity. Stopping bingo at the community centre - well again the community centre isn't a private business it's a public service which would receive public funding therefore anger about the removal of bingo might be legitimate but the bingo in this case is a game of football - you can still watch football at the New Lawn. But we are not dealing with a question of the law we are dealing with a principal. Not being able to drink alcohol and the colour of the shirt could be changed at the whim of the owner; just because she/he can. Is it right that she/he should do so just to satisfy her/his belief? I'm sure there are many more examples; some of which will cause more controversy than others and affect different people in different ways. It's not really anything to do with eating a meat pie it's the principal we are dealing with. It's wrong and slightly ignorant to change everyone’s way of enjoying a game of football just to satisfy your own personal belief and ego; whatever it might be that you choose to change.
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 19:00:15 GMT
Again - he isn't "inflicting" anything on anyone. What are Leyton Orient "inflicting" on anyone by only selling hotdogs? What are theatres inflicting on anyone by only selling fruit pastilles in a box or those tiny tubs of icecream? You seem to have confused free market economics with the welfare state. And whether or not speaking about Hitler in relation to this topic is a "figure of speech" is irrelevant. Saying the N word in a meeting to discuss Britain leaving the EU is a "figure of speech" it doesn't make it any more appropriate or any less denigrating of a serious part of history and the memory of the people affected by it. I'm hope you enjoyed your day at the races - did you have a donor kebab while you were there? Surely they must have been available - surely they wouldn't "inflict" their views on you by not selling them? You wouldn't be "dictated" to in that way would you? You don't get it. Just let it go as you'll never understand. More interested in arguing than discussion methinks. Leave him to it. I'm having fun.
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 18:58:09 GMT
No it certainly hasn't because I am quite happy for a vegan outlet to sell vegan food. Why wouldn't I be? I just think it's wrong for someone to inflict HIS thinking on others. I have no problem at all with vegan food being offered. See also next paragraph. Please tell me where I have said that? You can't because I haven't. If people want "meat free junk food" they can have it. Choice, choice, choice, within reason, is all I have asked for. Infantile. Is that the best you can come up with? Oh no moronic as well and insulting. Now we are lowering the bar aren't we? If you do not understand the "figure of speech" put forward (not by me I would add, but I definitely could understand what was being said) it might just be you who is infantile. The comparison was specifically with respect to the dictatorial nature of Hitler absolutely nothing to do with the people he starved to death in labour camps. Can you not split the two? Does one automatically mean the other? Shame on you if you can't. Sorry I'm doing it again attacking the person not the post. Must try harder... Again - he isn't "inflicting" anything on anyone. What are Leyton Orient "inflicting" on anyone by only selling hotdogs? What are theatres inflicting on anyone by only selling fruit pastilles in a box or those tiny tubs of icecream? You seem to have confused free market economics with the welfare state. And whether or not speaking about Hitler in relation to this topic is a "figure of speech" is irrelevant. Saying the N word in a meeting to discuss Britain leaving the EU is a "figure of speech" it doesn't make it any more appropriate or any less denigrating of a serious part of history and the memory of the people affected by it. I'm hope you enjoyed your day at the races - did you have a donor kebab while you were there? Surely they must have been available - surely they wouldn't "inflict" their views on you by not selling them? You wouldn't be "dictated" to in that way would you? What he is saying is you can only purchase food which he dictates you should be eating whilst at FGR; vegan food because that is what he believes in. I cannot comment on what Layton Orient sell as I have no idea. I'm pretty sure it won't be just hotdogs though. Again, I repeat, within reason, all establishments, such as football, where they are catering for a variety of tastes, should offer a variety of food, not just what the owner dictates they should offer simply because of his belief. Why? I totally understood what was meant by it and appreciated that it didn't have anything to do with the history and memory to which you refer. The analogy you make is completely different. The word "Hitler" in no way compares and in no way has a specific connotation. You need to look at the context. I did and did not see an issue. Now you're being daft. Three courses with wine in "owners and trainers" thank you. Yes there was a vegan option available for those who wanted it and rightly so...
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 18:11:58 GMT
Bait ignorant f**kers on the internet. Who is enjoying it the most though?
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 17:44:40 GMT
Mmmm not really worth trying to explain that to you is it; or LJG? Sorry I'm now going to your level and attacking the person not the post. I do humbly appologise... Strang person. Up the Vegans! Other then Vince, where have I put vegans down I haven't even put Vince down because he is a vegan. Have you read the comments?
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 17:08:10 GMT
I ignored the comment last time as it was a bit daft. But if you insist. Believe it or not eating human meat is illegal. I guess the Directors sit down together to eat on matchdays? Should we dictate that Vince comes smartly dressed? Personally I say no; let him look a prat if he wants to. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Boardrooms around the country. It's about respect and treating people who go to football with the respect they deserve not dictating just what you believe in (or not as the case may be). OK I'm off to Newton Abbot now to watch the racing. I guess there are plenty wanting to dictate that it shouldn't be allowed... You're completely preoccupied with this notion of dictatorship. The irony completely seems to have escaped you that to insist a private food outlet (which is what food stalls at football matches are - businesses which are not under public ownership) must sell meat is the most authoritarian suggestion on this thread. I love a pasty when I go to Rovers. At Peterborough and Orient they serve those plastic cinema hotdogs, at Charlton they serve pre-packed sandwiches at Gillingham they have crap burgers. What? Am I supposed to insist that they go out and get me my pasty? No, you don't seem to care about that. You're obsessed by this idea of "footy food" which is what? Which one out of those clubs above serve "footy food"? I can't tell because none of them sell the same thing. You're just insisting that there be some form of junk food containing meat that you want on sale at football matches rather than meat free junk food you don't want. If you can't see how infantile that sounds and how moronicly insulting all this talk about Hitler is to the memory of those people who were starved to death in labour camps then you don't deserve to be allowed to buy food anywhere ... ever. Football match or not. No it certainly hasn't because I am quite happy for a vegan outlet to sell vegan food. Why wouldn't I be? I just think it's wrong for someone to inflict HIS thinking on others. I have no problem at all with vegan food being offered. See also next paragraph. Please tell me where I have said that? You can't because I haven't. If people want "meat free junk food" they can have it. Choice, choice, choice, within reason, is all I have asked for. Infantile. Is that the best you can come up with? Oh no moronic as well and insulting. Now we are lowering the bar aren't we? If you do not understand the "figure of speech" put forward (not by me I would add, but I definitely could understand what was being said) it might just be you who is infantile. The comparison was specifically with respect to the dictatorial nature of Hitler absolutely nothing to do with the people he starved to death in labour camps. Can you not split the two? Does one automatically mean the other? Shame on you if you can't. Sorry I'm doing it again attacking the person not the post. Must try harder...
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 16:48:34 GMT
How does the strength of his view make any difference? All down to how ignorant he is of accepting that other people have different views. How ironic. Yes I agree it's ironic. I am asking for people to have a choice not be dictated to as to what they are able to eat. I have never said they should not sell Vegan food. I think all sections, within reason, should be catered for.
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 16:46:13 GMT
Yep that sums up Vince very nicely and, I think, totally proves my argument; that's exactly the attitude of a dictator. Your vegan restaurant argument is, surely, irrelevant as the product here is football not the food. You got there in the end 68. The 'product' is football not the food!😴 Mmmm not really worth trying to explain that to you is it; or LJG? Sorry I'm now going to your level and attacking the person not the post. I do humbly apologise...
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 7:58:53 GMT
Looks like your lad made it safely round today. Good luck with the venture. If anyone would like to go to Worcester on Thursday please message me.
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 7:54:49 GMT
Your argument is flawed, very flawed. Would you serve up human meat at a dinner party because it is what a few wanted? He isn't dictating unless you ket hin dictate. If you don't like it then don't buy it or go full stop! I ignored the comment last time as it was a bit daft. But if you insist. Believe it or not eating human meat is illegal. I guess the Directors sit down together to eat on matchdays? Should we dictate that Vince comes smartly dressed? Personally I say no; let him look a prat if he wants to. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Boardrooms around the country. It's about respect and treating people who go to football with the respect they deserve not dictating just what you believe in (or not as the case may be). OK I'm off to Newton Abbot now to watch the racing. I guess there are plenty wanting to dictate that it shouldn't be allowed... I forgot to add. If anyone would like to go to Worcester on Thursday message me.
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