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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 7:28:23 GMT
Yep that sums up Vince very nicely and, I think, totally proves my argument; that's exactly the attitude of a dictator. Your vegan restaurant argument is, surely, irrelevant as the product here is football not the food. Your argument is flawed, very flawed. Would you serve up human meat at a dinner party because it is what a few wanted? He isn't dictating unless you ket hin dictate. If you don't like it then don't buy it or go full stop! I ignored the comment last time as it was a bit daft. But if you insist. Believe it or not eating human meat is illegal. I guess the Directors sit down together to eat on matchdays? Should we dictate that Vince comes smartly dressed? Personally I say no; let him look a prat if he wants to. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Boardrooms around the country. It's about respect and treating people who go to football with the respect they deserve not dictating just what you believe in (or not as the case may be). OK I'm off to Newton Abbot now to watch the racing. I guess there are plenty wanting to dictate that it shouldn't be allowed...
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Post by 68 on Jul 23, 2017 6:52:00 GMT
In a world of equality..i don't see why I should only be able to eat a horribly vegan burger, it's not even like the food is good food. It is sh**. Always has to be a vegan option, the same should apply for people who aren't. So what your saying is that if you went to a vegan restaurant (knowing before you went that it was vegan only) you would kick off? course you wouldnt! FGR can sell whatever the f**k it damn well chooses, dont like it, dont goYep that sums up Vince very nicely and, I think, totally proves my argument; that's exactly the attitude of a dictator. Your vegan restaurant argument is, surely, irrelevant as the product here is football not the food.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 22:17:59 GMT
1960's; The Invaders. Didn't some have a deformed figure? Tbone is not a shithead is he? Maybe ban him just in case he is? Sorry I'll change that. Tbone is not a shithead; is he? Is that better? No ban on that account from me.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 22:15:47 GMT
Who says he doesn't like vegans? By the way I quite like one in particular; my daughter. I'll fight for her rights the same as I'll fight against Vince and his dictatorship. There must be more important things to fight for than meat pies at forest green rovers? World peace? Of course but I'm following the thread.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 22:13:24 GMT
Of course he is entitled to HIS opinion, but do you really think what he says is HIS opinion? I dont know? What was that old american tv show where aliens took over the bodies of people and took there place in society? maybe thats happened to t-bone? 1960's; The Invaders. Didn't some have a deformed figure? Tbone is not a shithead is he?
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 21:58:50 GMT
packed lunch,thermos flask? Suits you sir Is that another minority group as well as vegans you dont like? But actually ive found i can go 2 hours or more without eating,call it inner strength if you like? Who says he doesn't like vegans? By the way I quite like one in particular; my daughter. I'll fight for her rights the same as I'll fight against Vince and his dictatorship.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 21:53:40 GMT
It's not removing food, it's just simply not supplying it. Eating meat can be as bad as eating a human in some people's opinion so I fully understand him not advocating it. Would you serve up human meat at a dinner party because it was the dish that a lot of people fancied eating? You fully understand... It's a football stadium. Before he got his green fingers on it, it served normal footy foods like the other clubs in the UK. It would have been a good move introducing alternative meals but to punish your customers because of your beliefs is dictatorship. The only reason he gets away with it is because they only have about 1500 fans. Do you think that would wash at our place?(bad example since it seems half of you lot will suck up anything) How about a ban on alcohol since that might offend the owner? Now that is an excellent analogy.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 21:30:12 GMT
I know!! I always have, but I thought enough is enough. If a Ted came on here saying that stuff he would be banned, weird he gets off on it. Look the t-bone guy has always called darrell clarke the clueless one before that he was always very critical of matty taylor despite all his goals. I dont agree with his opinions and many others dont but its his opinion and he is totally entitled to it in my view. But you want to ban him? really? Have you never heard of an idea called "free speech" ? Of course he is entitled to HIS opinion, but do you really think what he says is HIS opinion?
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 21:16:34 GMT
Whilst the magnitude is very different the principal isn't. I understood exactly what he was intimating; didn't you? It's a "figure of speech". No i dont,i think the comparision was utterly ridiculous. Maybe because i dont buy food at football grounds i just cant get to grips the monumental importance of it? Looked at to the degree and way which you did it is ridiculous. Looked at, as it was meant, it was completely sensible. I repeat it's "a figure of speech", not to be taken literally but to be taken in context. Neither do I buy food at football grounds; does that make any difference to the principal here? Do you get that or just live in your own bubble? I'm not meaning to be rude but I am capable of arguing in favour of something which does not necessarily directly affect me.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 20:42:34 GMT
Ruined a fair argument with name calling there. Fwiw, I completely disagree. FGR could promote vegan food by all means but removing food from the supporters is ridiculous. Do the players wear leather boots/jackets? Are all products not tested on animals? Can fans wear belts? Dale Vince is dictating to his customers. So only halal meat is ok if the owner is a sharia worshipper? How about no women allowed to games? Why not make the supporters kiss a statue of Buddha at the turnstile or remove all shoes and socks? The bloke is behaving like Hitler and some of you are defending it!! Your bang on the money there,just like hitler! Hitler starts a war which results in 50-70 million deaths and attempts to rid the world of a race. Dale vince wont sell meat pies at minor league football matches. Er yeah your spot on mate. Whilst the magnitude is very different the principal isn't. I understood exactly what he was intimating; didn't you? It's a "figure of speech".
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 18:44:47 GMT
This has to be the most ridiculous thread ever. The sense of entitlement in people nowadays is just insane. We've come to a point where personal want is now so great that people are actually sensibly trying to argue that a private business MUST sell what they want. Go to a smartcar dealership and insist they sell you a Jag. Let's change the product very slightly. Say someone takes over Rovers and dictates they play in red. What is your attitude then? Not too much different from dictating what you eat is it?
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 16:03:11 GMT
Hello Hugo. I have long respected the points of view you have. You certainly made this hornet's nest a better place. I would totally agree with you if the vegan food were the product on offer and everyone visiting were there to enjoy that product. It's not; the football is the product on offer and you are catering for those who you are hosting including your own supporters. If people come to my house I treat them with the respect their views deserve; not my own views. Even more so if they are strangers or I own a business which is catering for them. Common decency in my book. You can't please everyone all of the time and no one's stopping you taking a bacon sandwich in. Are you inviting several thousand unknown individuals in to your home every other week? No? Well your comparison is a false one then. I honestly despise FGR but anyone that gets up in arms over the vegan food needs to get over themselves. What do numbers have to do with the discussion? It's about respect to visitors. That goes for any entity. You should not impose your personal views on people you are supposed to be welcoming in. Totally ignorant in my book. Peter Parker - the host is the one who should be sucking it up, not the guest - home or away guests.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 15:27:09 GMT
It's his ground, he can sit visiting fans where he likes and can serve whatever food he likes. You don't have to go and you don't have to eat. The food at the Mem is sh**e. Hello Hugo. I have long respected the points of view you have. You certainly made this hornet's nest a better place. I would totally agree with you if the vegan food were the product on offer and everyone visiting were there to enjoy that product. It's not; the football is the product on offer and you are catering for those who you are hosting including your own supporters. If people come to my house I treat them with the respect their views deserve; not my own views. Even more so if they are strangers or I own a business which is catering for them. Common decency in my book.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 14:33:17 GMT
Going without eating is not the point I am making and is totally irrelevant to the discussion. It's the ignorance of someone not accepting that other people have alternative views and, if you own a business which caters to the public, it's actually their views which should count NOT your own. He is not in a business which is only trying to attract and cater for his vegan views. The product is a football match which people with various views wish to attend. Totally out of order not to cater for their views as well as his own. Nothing to do with his principals and everything to do with catering for the people he is hosting. The big person looks after and accepts other people’s views not their own, provided of course it is legal and to my knowledge eating meat is not illegal yet. Depends how strong his views are. If his views are thay strong then I fully understand why he wouldn't sell non vegan products. How does the strength of his view make any difference? All down to how ignorant he is of accepting that other people have different views.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 14:17:57 GMT
Why is it when you go to dinner at a house where the host is a vegan you get served vegan food but when they go to a house which eats meat they expect to eat vegan food and be catered for separately? It's plain rude not to accept that people are different. Are you suggesting they should always have their own way and not respect other people's views? This is a football match where various people with various views and tastes will attend. Surely all, within reason, should be catered for whatever the owner’s views are? By his actions he is definitely imposing HIS view on everyone who wishes to attend a football match. It's a bit like the boy who gets in a huff and takes his ball away. Pretty pathetic really. I think it's more pathetic the way you are making a fuss about it. He has no reason to cater for everybody. If people can't go 2 hours without eating then maybe they should see a doctor. Going without eating is not the point I am making and is totally irrelevant to the discussion. It's the ignorance of someone not accepting that other people have alternative views and, if you own a business which caters to the public, it's actually their views which should count NOT your own. He is not in a business which is only trying to attract and cater for his vegan views. The product is a football match which people with various views wish to attend. Totally out of order not to cater for their views as well as his own. Nothing to do with his principals and everything to do with catering for the people he is hosting. The big person looks after and accepts other people’s views not their own, provided of course it is legal and to my knowledge eating meat is not illegal yet.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 14:00:15 GMT
A suggestion; when FGR come to our ground (maybe in a cup) and the Directors sit down together, to eat, serve him up a nice juicy steak - tell him he can like it or lump it because nothing else is available! No, I hope we wouldn't be that rude or that pathetic. But that is exactly what he is doing to anyone who attends a game at FGR. It's wrong, within reason, not to give everyone an option, of their taste, at a public event where various sections of the community are likely to want to attend. Of course he is forcing his principals on others if they want to buy something to eat whilst at FGR and he's totally ignorant for doing so. Why's it wrong? If he was to sell meat then it would be going againsy what he believes in? At least he's not a sheep. Why is it when you go to dinner at a house where the host is a vegan you get served vegan food but when they go to a house which eats meat they expect to eat vegan food and be catered for separately? It's plain rude not to accept that people are different. Are you suggesting they should always have their own way and not respect other people's views? This is a football match where various people with various views and tastes will attend. Surely all, within reason, should be catered for whatever the owner’s views are? By his actions he is definitely imposing HIS view on everyone who wishes to attend a football match. It's a bit like the boy who gets in a huff and takes his ball away. Pretty pathetic really.
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Post by 68 on Jul 22, 2017 13:32:15 GMT
All part of the PR though for his Ecotricity company, he probably sits down to a Sunday roast beef lunch like the rest of us, behind the closed doors at his mansion. Although I don't really get why he needs to force his principles on every body else. He isn't forcing his principles on others. He's just practicing what he preaches. Some very bitter people here. A suggestion; when FGR come to our ground (maybe in a cup) and the Directors sit down together, to eat, serve him up a nice juicy steak - tell him he can like it or lump it because nothing else is available! No, I hope we wouldn't be that rude or that pathetic. But that is exactly what he is doing to anyone who attends a game at FGR. It's wrong, within reason, not to give everyone an option, of their taste, at a public event where various sections of the community are likely to want to attend. Of course he is forcing his principals on others if they want to buy something to eat whilst at FGR and he's totally ignorant for doing so.
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Post by 68 on Jul 21, 2017 13:28:28 GMT
Why oh why does EVERY thread have to descend into total chaos. It's the off season. Maybe every thread should be duplicated. “Daft” responses on one with “sensible” responses on the other and you could then choose whichever one you felt you wanted to read. Everyone satisfied? It really is frustrating to have to read through the daft responses to get to the ones you really want to read. It makes a mockery of this forum.
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Post by 68 on Jul 21, 2017 12:29:59 GMT
Why oh why does EVERY thread have to descend into total chaos.
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Post by 68 on Jul 19, 2017 16:42:02 GMT
B B B B B But.... DC and the team are in Portugal, how can a signing possibly happen! Looking at the pic on OS... looks like it was done before they left Superimposed.
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