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Post by tommym9 on Dec 9, 2017 13:03:29 GMT
Without wanting to derail this thread when have you ever been served by an eastern European at the mem? Roll on brexit where we pay 50 billion to be worse off. Personally that sounds great Where did you find find those numbers Apologies heard on the radio it's between 35-39 billion. It's still a lot of money to shell out to be poorer though.
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Post by tommym9 on Dec 9, 2017 13:05:03 GMT
If the club have to pay for Academy players' away travel, I wonder if Mr Hamer will be looking into the fact they buy their own kit? That was a decision by the academy manager to make the boys 'earn' their shirt. That was in the Hamer interview with 20man a few weeks back.
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Post by Big Jock on Dec 9, 2017 13:08:39 GMT
Aye, strorm in a paper cup, that is until til theys find out how they young Jordanian lads got here.........
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Post by BrightonGas on Dec 9, 2017 13:14:34 GMT
why would they tell us the supporters ? Its an internal business transaction Did Sports Direct Broadcast tell all that they had sorted it by taking out a full page advert in the Times ? Well the club have disagreed with you Henbury and to their credit released a statement... Recently HMRC has published that Bristol Rovers Football Club Ltd had failed in its duty to pay at least National Minimum wage due under section 17 of the National Minimum Wage Act 1998. The investigation by HMRC was over a six year period from Season 2010/2011 up to and including Season 2015/2016 and found that all employees’ wages were in line with the National Minimum wage rate. However, according to HMRC, away match travel for Academy Scholars (16 to 18 year olds) must form part of their working hours for which they must be paid. The discrepancy arose because of the hours worked by the scholars during certain fortnightly pay periods. Had they been paid monthly instead of fortnightly this underpayment would not have arisen. The total arrears due to 52 scholars for this six year period amounted to £1651.86. The minimum being £11.97 per scholar and the maximum £55.25 per scholar. All employees’ underpayment of travel time has been paid to all the 52 scholars concerned. HMRC now consider the matter closed. The Club will make no further comment on this issue. Damn eastern european scholars!
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Post by BrightonGas on Dec 9, 2017 13:19:40 GMT
What a really good point you make...not. Roll on recession more like See the Tories have taken you in No..but perhaps they have with you?
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 21, 2017 17:22:32 GMT
Agree May 2nd. Something, somewhere must be wrong, we have 8000 average well above Scunthorpe Rochdale and many others who have half that yet we have no money and struggle. Why? This is not a dig at anyone just a plea for someone to explain why. What historical costs or anything do we have that others don’t. UTG! What is galling for me warehamgas is that when a few of us criticised the old regime for the way they were running Rovers we were told we were "board haters" with a "hidden agenda". In fact, most of us with experience in business were simply trying to point out that there was a better way to go and we wanted Nick Higgs to adopt a more professional approach in the best interests of Rovers. So when something like this minimum wage issue comes up and fans are very quick to hurl abuse at the old board it makes me wonder why, at the time, so many refused to admit what was staring them in the face when all the signs were there if you opened your eyes. And I'm afraid the situation today is similar. I understand it is difficult for many fans to reconcile the difference between debt and equity but basically when money is put into a football club as debt it remains the property of the owners not the football club and the owners are entitled to charge interest if they wish. Whereas with equity the money becomes the property of the football club and the owners only get a return if the club is profitable and they can take a dividend or if the club is successful and the shares have a value when the club is sold. Steve Hamer's interview was very enlightening because he confirmed that Dwane Sports were charging interest on their loan and he said they did not put money into Rovers as equity because if they did it would be "irrecoverable". In other words they do expect to recover the interest which is racking up in Rovers accounts at the rate of about £14 000 per week. Steve said the interest was "notional" which is not strictly true because if it was notional it would not show in the audited accounts and it would not be recoverable. This interest is an overhead for Rovers when calculating a break even figure and the money supplied via loan does not count towards turnover for FFP / SCMP purposes so, compared to many other lower league clubs where the owners subscribe for equity or make donations, we are at a disadvantage. You mention Scunthorpe United and their 2016 accounts show the owner invested £3.78 million into the club as share capital which gave them a big advantage in playing budget terms. And with Rochdale I have a personal anecdote from many years ago when I was talking to their Chairman about financing and he told me that a very well known TV comedy duo had offered to put money into their club but, he said after a pause, "they wanted to take a charge over our ground" followed by him spluttering with laughter. Most people in the game, including Steve Hamer I expect, are fully aware that owning a club is an indulgence you have to be prepared to pay for and to think you can charge yourself interest and use the assets to secure your debts is "just not football". Thank you for that swissgas. Have been away for the past week out of internet contact so have just picked this up. Thanks for the time taken to reply. UTG!
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