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Post by singupgas on Dec 30, 2017 13:31:00 GMT
Or we are just no worse off than we have ever been. The defeatism amongst some is astounding. We might as well just close the club down Some Buckle-esque lowering of expectations there!  If the ceiling to our ambitions is league one survival for the next 20-30 years then we might as well close the club down, what is the point in shambling along being tinpot forever and a day? Under Dwane Sports we are going to slowly be pushed out by clubs who have better infrastructure until our level is league two survival....or perhaps City will finish us off first, who knows? I'll put it another way: What is there to be excited about as a Rovers fan for the forseeable future? Genuine question. Exactly this; i am fed up of being a fan to fairly well supported club in 5th biggest city and have teams like Brighton, Swansea and Bournemouth the obvious examples do much better than us. Even Yeovil have made it to the championship. We will not realise our potential whilst at the mem or if we do develop to something like 15k like someone suggested. We would have fans turn up if we had a nice ground. Just look at the sh**, lets be honest their ground has always been better than ours, it had roofs on it, but since there development their average attendance has increased 7k. Does nobody at Rovers have any ambition? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 13:35:02 GMT
I am certainly on side of "What the f is going on at the club and where are we heading", it astounds me that people can say we are no worse off than we were and in our history we have always been no higher than we are now. We are staring relegation in the face, unless we can sign 4 or 5 players, we need to replace players with Liam Sercombe quality of a player. Some fans seem to be far too loyal to their favourite players, they just are not very good now, certainly are not performing. We have to replace players eventually, should have done it in the summer. Obviously the ground was the real blow, felt throughout the club it would seem, i don't anybody is any the wiser of what is going on, until we move will continue to struggle and will not attract many quality players. Some (the vast majority still?) are just happy to have a club and that is that. The Al Qadi's must be delighted with them - the 'ask no questions' type of fan is exactly the sort of supporter they want to build their pitiful evolution around. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 13:47:38 GMT
Some Buckle-esque lowering of expectations there! If the ceiling to our ambitions is league one survival for the next 20-30 years then we might as well close the club down, what is the point in shambling along being tinpot forever and a day? Under Dwane Sports we are going to slowly be pushed out by clubs who have better infrastructure until our level is league two survival....or perhaps City will finish us off first, who knows? I'll put it another way: What is there to be excited about as a Rovers fan for the forseeable future? Genuine question. I am not saying that is a ceiling on what our ambitions should be though, just we are no worse off than we have been. If you listened to some, we are selling any half decent player, getting relegated and Dwane our going to cut and run and we will lose the ground and be homeless FFS I am not saying you are saying that is the ceiling - I am saying that is effectively what the Al Qadi's are telling us that our ambitions are via the comment about business cases for investment and running a tight ship. What is different to before is that the previous owners always had an eye for a deal and if nothing else gave us hope that in 10/20 years we would have sustainable investment and a proper stadium and not be reliant on loans from the board. They were going to re-do the memorial stadium and went one better than the current mob by producing plans, then that fell through and they came up with the UWE. For the record I do not expect the Al Qadi's to water money at the club, but it really frustrates me that of all the crap they have spoken about needing new stadiums and all the contradictory talk of austerity they are not saying the one thing that I want to hear from them: That Wael (as the President and the most invested family member) is working to court investment in the club. Is it so effing difficult to give us that little bit of hope that they are open to the idea of outside interests accelerating the 'evolution'? Everything to date just smacks of the Al Qadi's running the club like their personal fiefdom: they are surprised that fans care about how the club is run, won't communicate with the press, in it for the long haul, instantly dismissed fan investment, allegedly wanted to buy Gillingham but demanded that Paul Scally could not stay on as chairman etc. Bristol Rovers are nothing more than a vanity project. EDIT: I notice you didn't answer the question about what there is to be excited about as a Rovers supporter- not a dig, just an observation because I genuinely would like someone to answer it because I would love to see some potential in the club.  |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Dec 30, 2017 13:53:40 GMT
Never mind the elephant in the room , its more like beware the green eyed monster, otherwise known as Jealousy!it is an emotion that has cost many a man the love of his life and plays havoc with mind and body! As the great poem 'IF' quotes 'triumph and disaster are both impostors and you must learn to treat both as such , enjoy the former for a short while and suffer the latter even a shorter while, neither will last for long!Rovers have served up both through out there history, the last few years being a classic case, the despair of the conference, quickly followed by the elation of two promotions, now we have flat lined and fans are finding it difficult to deal with the norm! As for events across town , it bothers me not, i would have preferred a United win, but Que Sera, every dog has his day , you only have to tun the clock back 12 months to find a polar opposite set of circumstances!south of the river.Rovers fans should be very proud , surviving against all the odds, despite never having a cash cow to milk, remember our neighbors have historically had money behind them, remember The Harry Dolman era, yet they still went bust and had to go begging to fans and players in order to start a new club in 1982,so only 35 years of history against our 100 plus ! so what if they did get to the top flight before us, they also got to the 4th tier before us, same for Swindon, they had there moment in th e top tier , look at them now! see triumph and disaster! I am not envious of Ashton Gate, though its fit for purpose it is bloody ugly and i am sure we can do better .......eventually! As for future support, yes extra people will go to City if the likes of Liverpool ,MAN clubs, spurs etc are visiting but there not city fans , they are just going to see so called top players, way back when we used to go to places like Fulham,Villa,to see the likes of Law,Charlton, Best, in action , it did not make us supporters of those clubs! Why do people living in merseyside support Tranmere, when it would be just as easy to watch Everton, Liverpool? why have Rochdale , Oldham, Wigan, got there following with the Mancs on there door step, same in London with Wimbledon, Brentford ,Millwall when Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal on their doorstep.Never fear Rovers will always have their fans , nothing anyone else does will change that for reasons no true gas head needs explaining, as for our noisy neighbors, ignore them , it will soon quieten down !now come on Gas turn it on at Oldham!
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Post by socrates on Dec 30, 2017 13:58:08 GMT
I am certainly on side of "What the f is going on at the club and where are we heading", it astounds me that people can say we are no worse off than we were and in our history we have always been no higher than we are now. We are staring relegation in the face, unless we can sign 4 or 5 players, we need to replace players with Liam Sercombe quality of a player. Some fans seem to be far too loyal to their favourite players, they just are not very good now, certainly are not performing. We have to replace players eventually, should have done it in the summer. Obviously the ground was the real blow, felt throughout the club it would seem, i don't anybody is any the wiser of what is going on, until we move will continue to struggle and will not attract many quality players. We’ve got better players than we had last season what we lack is leaders on the pitch and in the board room. DC can’t do it on his own. |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 30, 2017 14:32:21 GMT
I am certainly on side of "What the f is going on at the club and where are we heading", it astounds me that people can say we are no worse off than we were and in our history we have always been no higher than we are now. We are staring relegation in the face, unless we can sign 4 or 5 players, we need to replace players with Liam Sercombe quality of a player. Some fans seem to be far too loyal to their favourite players, they just are not very good now, certainly are not performing. We have to replace players eventually, should have done it in the summer. Obviously the ground was the real blow, felt throughout the club it would seem, i don't anybody is any the wiser of what is going on, until we move will continue to struggle and will not attract many quality players. We’ve got better players than we had last season what we lack is leaders on the pitch and in the board room. DC can’t do it on his own. I think we have one better midfielder and that is it in my opinion. Quite liked Bola added some pace to the team but can't seem to get a game now. 100% I am fan of DC. Board need to give him the backing and a big backing in January. Only criticism of DC is he can be stubborn, but aren't we all, another would be his use of loan players. Why bring in loans if they never play. |
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Post by knowall on Dec 30, 2017 14:41:29 GMT
Never mind the elephant in the room , its more like beware the green eyed monster, otherwise known as Jealousy!it is an emotion that has cost many a man the love of his life and plays havoc with mind and body! As the great poem 'IF' quotes 'triumph and disaster are both impostors and you must learn to treat both as such , enjoy the former for a short while and suffer the latter even a shorter while, neither will last for long!Rovers have served up both through out there history, the last few years being a classic case, the despair of the conference, quickly followed by the elation of two promotions, now we have flat lined and fans are finding it difficult to deal with the norm! As for events across town , it bothers me not, i would have preferred a United win, but Que Sera, every dog has his day , you only have to tun the clock back 12 months to find a polar opposite set of circumstances!south of the river.Rovers fans should be very proud , surviving against all the odds, despite never having a cash cow to milk, remember our neighbors have historically had money behind them, remember The Harry Dolman era, yet they still went bust and had to go begging to fans and players in order to start a new club in 1982,so only 35 years of history against our 100 plus ! so what if they did get to the top flight before us, they also got to the 4th tier before us, same for Swindon, they had there moment in th e top tier , look at them now! see triumph and disaster! I am not envious of Ashton Gate, though its fit for purpose it is bloody ugly and i am sure we can do better .......eventually! As for future support, yes extra people will go to City if the likes of Liverpool ,MAN clubs, spurs etc are visiting but there not city fans , they are just going to see so called top players, way back when we used to go to places like Fulham,Villa,to see the likes of Law,Charlton, Best, in action , it did not make us supporters of those clubs! Why do people living in merseyside support Tranmere, when it would be just as easy to watch Everton, Liverpool? why have Rochdale , Oldham, Wigan, got there following with the Mancs on there door step, same in London with Wimbledon, Brentford ,Millwall when Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal on their doorstep.Never fear Rovers will always have their fans , nothing anyone else does will change that for reasons no true gas head needs explaining, as for our noisy neighbors, ignore them , it will soon quieten down !now come on Gas turn it on at Oldham! What a fantastic post - well done and well said. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 30, 2017 15:57:46 GMT
Never mind the elephant in the room , its more like beware the green eyed monster, otherwise known as Jealousy!it is an emotion that has cost many a man the love of his life and plays havoc with mind and body! As the great poem 'IF' quotes 'triumph and disaster are both impostors and you must learn to treat both as such , enjoy the former for a short while and suffer the latter even a shorter while, neither will last for long!Rovers have served up both through out there history, the last few years being a classic case, the despair of the conference, quickly followed by the elation of two promotions, now we have flat lined and fans are finding it difficult to deal with the norm! As for events across town , it bothers me not, i would have preferred a United win, but Que Sera, every dog has his day , you only have to tun the clock back 12 months to find a polar opposite set of circumstances!south of the river.Rovers fans should be very proud , surviving against all the odds, despite never having a cash cow to milk, remember our neighbors have historically had money behind them, remember The Harry Dolman era, yet they still went bust and had to go begging to fans and players in order to start a new club in 1982,so only 35 years of history against our 100 plus ! so what if they did get to the top flight before us, they also got to the 4th tier before us, same for Swindon, they had there moment in th e top tier , look at them now! see triumph and disaster! I am not envious of Ashton Gate, though its fit for purpose it is bloody ugly and i am sure we can do better .......eventually! As for future support, yes extra people will go to City if the likes of Liverpool ,MAN clubs, spurs etc are visiting but there not city fans , they are just going to see so called top players, way back when we used to go to places like Fulham,Villa,to see the likes of Law,Charlton, Best, in action , it did not make us supporters of those clubs! Why do people living in merseyside support Tranmere, when it would be just as easy to watch Everton, Liverpool? why have Rochdale , Oldham, Wigan, got there following with the Mancs on there door step, same in London with Wimbledon, Brentford ,Millwall when Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal on their doorstep.Never fear Rovers will always have their fans , nothing anyone else does will change that for reasons no true gas head needs explaining, as for our noisy neighbors, ignore them , it will soon quieten down !now come on Gas turn it on at Oldham! What a fantastic post - well done and well said. Great post if your only ambition in life is to watch Rovers as a lower league club. The truth is Rovers don't "always have their fans" as even recent history shows there's around 2,000/3,000 fans who find something better to do on a match day when we hit hard times. Rovers had a golden opportunity to become a Championship club, something none of us have ever witnessed, now it seems likely that chance has gone, possibly for good in a lot of our life times. |
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Post by matealotblue on Dec 30, 2017 16:03:11 GMT
What a fantastic post - well done and well said. Great post if your only ambition in life is to watch Rovers as a lower league club. The truth is Rovers don't "always have their fans" as even recent history shows there's around 2,000/3,000 fans who find something better to do on a match day when we hit hard times. Rovers had a golden opportunity to become a Championship club, something none of us have ever witnessed, now it seems likely that chance has gone, possibly for good in a lot of our life times. And Sky money has made PL more lucrative than the the old days of Div 1, by just a little bit. Even when you get relegated! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 16:12:33 GMT
Never mind the elephant in the room , its more like beware the green eyed monster, otherwise known as Jealousy!it is an emotion that has cost many a man the love of his life and plays havoc with mind and body! As the great poem 'IF' quotes 'triumph and disaster are both impostors and you must learn to treat both as such , enjoy the former for a short while and suffer the latter even a shorter while, neither will last for long!Rovers have served up both through out there history, the last few years being a classic case, the despair of the conference, quickly followed by the elation of two promotions, now we have flat lined and fans are finding it difficult to deal with the norm! As for events across town , it bothers me not, i would have preferred a United win, but Que Sera, every dog has his day , you only have to tun the clock back 12 months to find a polar opposite set of circumstances!south of the river.Rovers fans should be very proud , surviving against all the odds, despite never having a cash cow to milk, remember our neighbors have historically had money behind them, remember The Harry Dolman era, yet they still went bust and had to go begging to fans and players in order to start a new club in 1982,so only 35 years of history against our 100 plus ! so what if they did get to the top flight before us, they also got to the 4th tier before us, same for Swindon, they had there moment in th e top tier , look at them now! see triumph and disaster! I am not envious of Ashton Gate, though its fit for purpose it is bloody ugly and i am sure we can do better .......eventually! As for future support, yes extra people will go to City if the likes of Liverpool ,MAN clubs, spurs etc are visiting but there not city fans , they are just going to see so called top players, way back when we used to go to places like Fulham,Villa,to see the likes of Law,Charlton, Best, in action , it did not make us supporters of those clubs! Why do people living in merseyside support Tranmere, when it would be just as easy to watch Everton, Liverpool? why have Rochdale , Oldham, Wigan, got there following with the Mancs on there door step, same in London with Wimbledon, Brentford ,Millwall when Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal on their doorstep.Never fear Rovers will always have their fans , nothing anyone else does will change that for reasons no true gas head needs explaining, as for our noisy neighbors, ignore them , it will soon quieten down !now come on Gas turn it on at Oldham! You do realise it is nearly 2018 not 1988? Twerton Park here we come! The forward thinking of some people is dinosauric. Never mind the faithful 5,000 will see us survive against the mighty. |
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Post by albaron on Dec 30, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
What a fantastic post - well done and well said. Great post if your only ambition in life is to watch Rovers as a lower league club. The truth is Rovers don't "always have their fans" as even recent history shows there's around 2,000/3,000 fans who find something better to do on a match day when we hit hard times. Rovers had a golden opportunity to become a Championship club, something none of us have ever witnessed, now it seems likely that chance has gone, possibly for good in a lot of our life times. But quite a few of us have witnessed second tier football I would guess. |
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Post by knowall on Dec 30, 2017 16:35:32 GMT
What a fantastic post - well done and well said. Great post if your only ambition in life is to watch Rovers as a lower league club. The truth is Rovers don't "always have their fans" as even recent history shows there's around 2,000/3,000 fans who find something better to do on a match day when we hit hard times. Rovers had a golden opportunity to become a Championship club, something none of us have ever witnessed, now it seems likely that chance has gone, possibly for good in a lot of our life times. Nothing to do with ambition - the post is realistic. Some of us were supporting Rovers were regularly in the equivalent of the Championship (ie: old 2nd Division) and when Bradford was out with broken leg Rovers failed to sign a replacement - and who knows what might have been. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 16:44:05 GMT
Great post if your only ambition in life is to watch Rovers as a lower league club. The truth is Rovers don't "always have their fans" as even recent history shows there's around 2,000/3,000 fans who find something better to do on a match day when we hit hard times. Rovers had a golden opportunity to become a Championship club, something none of us have ever witnessed, now it seems likely that chance has gone, possibly for good in a lot of our life times. Nothing to do with ambition - the post is realistic. Some of us were supporting Rovers were regularly in the equivalent of the Championship (ie: old 2nd Division) and when Bradford was out with broken leg Rovers failed to sign a replacement - and who knows what might have been. And the Rovers players were on £5 a week, smoked 30 a day and drank 10 pints on a Saturday night. Realistic for the era. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 30, 2017 17:17:10 GMT
I said this on a tread weeks ago, these guys really don't see the need to tell people what they are spending or why they are spending. We are as much at fault as any one because we expect instant answers, these guys do not move in the circles that need answers every five minutes. It will take a very long time for us to understand them and even longer for them to understand us. The perception for them is that they are like Chelsea, who have some untouchable ivory towers where the owners and the board don’t have to give answers, because of their clubs status. BRFC is a local club, sponsored and supported by local businesses and people which peoples hard earned cash goes into week in week out. There are no ivory towers to hide in and no mass conglomerate to hide behind quite simply because we are a L1 local club. We are in a position where there is no communication from the board whatsoever on items that deserve answers. Especially the stadium situation. It’s obvious for all to see that things aren’t right. I’ve put over £10k into the club in the past 2 years via sponsorship on top of my season tickets and match and ball sponsorships and I feel that I deserve a little more information as to where my money has gone/will be going should I continue next year. I know a few other sponsors are thinking of pulling the plug too. I met Tom Gorringe the other week and I didn’t even get a thank you for your support from him. No doubt he will be on the phone in a few months cap in hand. If the cultural divide is what is the problem perhaps the Jordanians need to realise that this club is British and the fans are local and that it means something special to us. So it is them that needs to change not the other way around. simple question, and i agree with most of what you say BTW, If our owners dropped £40m into the pot would you ask where or how they got it ? |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Dec 30, 2017 17:46:52 GMT
Great post if your only ambition in life is to watch Rovers as a lower league club. The truth is Rovers don't "always have their fans" as even recent history shows there's around 2,000/3,000 fans who find something better to do on a match day when we hit hard times. Rovers had a golden opportunity to become a Championship club, something none of us have ever witnessed, now it seems likely that chance has gone, possibly for good in a lot of our life times. Nothing to do with ambition - the post is realistic. Some of us were supporting Rovers were regularly in the equivalent of the Championship (ie: old 2nd Division) and when Bradford was out with broken leg Rovers failed to sign a replacement - and who knows what might have been. There is a startling lack of ambition amongst the majority of our fanbase, the current dissent coming from a vocal minority of fans is only evident because of the current situation south of the river. The reality is everyone would be very happy with 16th in league one and zero progress off the field if the teds were only slightly better than us. If anything it has been a blessing in disguise, although i fear it will take something that will be almost irreversible to make most people take their heads out of the sand. As for comparisons between other club's relative positions in other cities and surrounding areas i suggest most look at the situation in stoke because that is going to be the same here sooner than most people realise. |
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Post by comptondandogas on Dec 30, 2017 17:55:16 GMT
If we were ever to "do a Swansea/Bournemouth" etc, then you would never see me anywhere near the club ever again. All I want is for the club to have long-term financial security and be competing as well as it can on the pitch. Everything about the Premier League makes me physically sick, why the hell would I want my beloved club to be part of that shitshow? I'll be on the North Terrace against Pompey so feel free to come and beat me up for my views or whatever.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 30, 2017 17:56:18 GMT
If we were ever to "do a Swansea/Bournemouth" etc, then you would never see me anywhere near the club ever again. All I want is for the club to have long-term financial security and be competing as well as it can on the pitch. Everything about the Premier League makes me physically sick, why the hell would I want my beloved club to be part of that shitshow? I'll be on the North Terrace against Pompey so feel free to come and beat me up for my views or whatever. Well said that man my feelings 100% |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 18:22:33 GMT
If we were ever to "do a Swansea/Bournemouth" etc, then you would never see me anywhere near the club ever again. All I want is for the club to have long-term financial security and be competing as well as it can on the pitch. Everything about the Premier League makes me physically sick, why the hell would I want my beloved club to be part of that shitshow? I'll be on the North Terrace against Pompey so feel free to come and beat me up for my views or whatever. I enjoy the premier league but like you I wouldn't want a rovers to be part of it, having said that in the unlikely event we ever got there I'd still support them every week! At our level you feel some attachment to the players, they are approachable and certainly with the current squad a feeling they are genuine and give 100% to the club. |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 30, 2017 18:53:09 GMT
I can't believe what I am reading. People honestly wouldn't want us to reach the premiership, ever?
In today's game you go up to the premiership and receive massive payments if you are to be relegated virtually securing your club financially.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 30, 2017 19:13:24 GMT
Nothing to do with ambition - the post is realistic. Some of us were supporting Rovers were regularly in the equivalent of the Championship (ie: old 2nd Division) and when Bradford was out with broken leg Rovers failed to sign a replacement - and who knows what might have been. There is a startling lack of ambition amongst the majority of our fanbase, the current dissent coming from a vocal minority of fans is only evident because of the current situation south of the river. The reality is everyone would be very happy with 16th in league one and zero progress off the field if the teds were only slightly better than us. If anything it has been a blessing in disguise, although i fear it will take something that will be almost irreversible to make most people take their heads out of the sand. As for comparisons between other club's relative positions in other cities and surrounding areas i suggest most look at the situation in stoke because that is going to be the same here sooner than most people realise. But what sbould have happened? Should NH not have sold the club? Sold it to one of the apparent 10 or so unknown suitors? We have what we have, and I would rather a club, than no club at all |
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