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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 23:24:20 GMT
In the original first post of the wishlist- there are 8 or so strikers that have been listed. Of these: Conor McAleny: doesn’t look a huge upgrade at the moment. Young, could develop. Bradley Fewster: playing non league. Struggled for goals (per wiki) Chris Maguire: presumably the relegated bury player? George Hirst: still getting rave reviews at youth football, but appears unlikely on a permanent. Kyle Lafferty: scored lots for hearts in Scotland. Probably would have been good. David Ball: playing more games than Gaffers scored 1 more goal. Ivan Toney: good player, a loanee, solid seasons but yet to set the division alight. Irish People Madden: feel he’s in decline, only the one more goal than Gaffers. Has traditionally been a pen taker (whether true now, I don’t know) James Collins: great season in league 2. And I still stand by those suggestions and would have them all over Gaffney and Nichols, regardless of their stats. McAleny is a good player who struggled with injury at the start of the season and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Fewster made a bad decision moving to a non-league club and struggled for goals and game time. Having watched him score goals in the past I still think he could score goals at our level. He would've been one I wanted to bring in as a work in progress. Maguire can play as an attacking midfielder and a wider role and I felt would've suited the way we play and I would backed him with our setup to score more than Nichols managed. Hirst was never meant as a permanent. David Ball is an intelligent player and another one who would have suited our system coming in from a wider role and I reckon he would've scored more playing for us. Madden needed a fresh start and should have moved on last summer. Since joining Fleetwood he has scored 6 goals in 17 starts and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Toney scored 12 from 23 starts last season which is more goals than Gaffney and Nichols combined. So even the players that were poor last season despite your recommendation your backing? Thats exactly what dc would say about nichols.
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Post by pirate on Jun 13, 2018 23:29:58 GMT
And I still stand by those suggestions and would have them all over Gaffney and Nichols, regardless of their stats. McAleny is a good player who struggled with injury at the start of the season and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Fewster made a bad decision moving to a non-league club and struggled for goals and game time. Having watched him score goals in the past I still think he could score goals at our level. He would've been one I wanted to bring in as a work in progress. Maguire can play as an attacking midfielder and a wider role and I felt would've suited the way we play and I would backed him with our setup to score more than Nichols managed. Hirst was never meant as a permanent. David Ball is an intelligent player and another one who would have suited our system coming in from a wider role and I reckon he would've scored more playing for us. Madden needed a fresh start and should have moved on last summer. Since joining Fleetwood he has scored 6 goals in 17 starts and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Toney scored 12 from 23 starts last season which is more goals than Gaffney and Nichols combined. So even the players that were poor last season despite your recommendation your backing? Thats exactly what dc would say about nichols. Yes I do, and that is DC's prerogative also.
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Post by madgas on Jun 14, 2018 6:22:51 GMT
So even the players that were poor last season despite your recommendation your backing? Thats exactly what dc would say about nichols. Yes I do, and that is DC's prerogative also. Having pointed out that those players didn’t have fantastic seasons I do agree that David Ball would have been very good for us. A good fit, I’d call it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 14, 2018 7:39:07 GMT
In the original first post of the wishlist- there are 8 or so strikers that have been listed. Of these: Conor McAleny: doesn’t look a huge upgrade at the moment. Young, could develop. Bradley Fewster: playing non league. Struggled for goals (per wiki) Chris Maguire: presumably the relegated bury player? George Hirst: still getting rave reviews at youth football, but appears unlikely on a permanent. Kyle Lafferty: scored lots for hearts in Scotland. Probably would have been good. David Ball: playing more games than Gaffers scored 1 more goal. Ivan Toney: good player, a loanee, solid seasons but yet to set the division alight. Irish People Madden: feel he’s in decline, only the one more goal than Gaffers. Has traditionally been a pen taker (whether true now, I don’t know) James Collins: great season in league 2. And I still stand by those suggestions and would have them all over Gaffney and Nichols, regardless of their stats. McAleny is a good player who struggled with injury at the start of the season and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Fewster made a bad decision moving to a non-league club and struggled for goals and game time. Having watched him score goals in the past I still think he could score goals at our level. He would've been one I wanted to bring in as a work in progress. Maguire can play as an attacking midfielder and a wider role and I felt would've suited the way we play and I would backed him with our setup to score more than Nichols managed. Hirst was never meant as a permanent. David Ball is an intelligent player and another one who would have suited our system coming in from a wider role and I reckon he would've scored more playing for us. Madden needed a fresh start and should have moved on last summer. Since joining Fleetwood he has scored 6 goals in 17 starts and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Toney scored 12 from 23 starts last season which is more goals than Gaffney and Nichols combined. Am I missing something but why would three players based in the north, McAleny, Madden & Bell, turn down deals at rumoured big payers Fleetwood & Rotherham to move to Bristol, which is hardly a cheap city to live in? As far as betting McAleny will out score Nichols is league record hardly suggests he will: 2011–2017 Everton 2 (0) 2012 → Scunthorpe United (loan) 3 (0) 2013 → Brentford (loan) 4 (0) 2015 → Cardiff City (loan) 8 (2) 2015 → Charlton Athletic (loan) 8 (0) 2016 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 13 (4) 2017 → Oxford United (loan) 18 (10) 2017– Fleetwood Town 28 (5) If DC signs him today there would be a forum meltdown looking at that record!! One decent season and he's hardly a youngster at 25.
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Post by pirate on Jun 14, 2018 9:14:22 GMT
And I still stand by those suggestions and would have them all over Gaffney and Nichols, regardless of their stats. McAleny is a good player who struggled with injury at the start of the season and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Fewster made a bad decision moving to a non-league club and struggled for goals and game time. Having watched him score goals in the past I still think he could score goals at our level. He would've been one I wanted to bring in as a work in progress. Maguire can play as an attacking midfielder and a wider role and I felt would've suited the way we play and I would backed him with our setup to score more than Nichols managed. Hirst was never meant as a permanent. David Ball is an intelligent player and another one who would have suited our system coming in from a wider role and I reckon he would've scored more playing for us. Madden needed a fresh start and should have moved on last summer. Since joining Fleetwood he has scored 6 goals in 17 starts and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Toney scored 12 from 23 starts last season which is more goals than Gaffney and Nichols combined. Am I missing something but why would three players based in the north, McAleny, Madden & Bell, turn down deals at rumoured big payers Fleetwood & Rotherham to move to Bristol, which is hardly a cheap city to live in? As far as betting McAleny will out score Nichols is league record hardly suggests he will Yes, you are missing something. The suggestions were made before McAleny, Madden and Ball made their moves to Fleetwood and Rotherham and I knew of their interest. McAleny's 5 goals from 15 starts isn't too bad a record last season, considering most was spent in a wider role. If he manages to stay fit this season and starts more games I would put money on him scoring more goals than Nichols.
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Post by lpgas on Jun 14, 2018 9:56:11 GMT
I'd rather keep Rory and write off Nichols. He just kept disappearing at the end of last season. Anyone notice how quiet the crowd were when he came on as sub? To be honest I would have thought DC would have been more careful with the money but having Stewart telling you how good he was is a bit like Lines telling you how good Byron Moore is. Or in other words both wrong.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 14, 2018 9:58:08 GMT
I'd rather keep Rory and write off Nichols. He just kept disappearing at the end of last season. Anyone notice how quiet the crowd were when he came on as sub? To be honest I would have thought DC would have been more careful with the money but having Stewart telling you how good he was is a bit like Lines telling you how good Byron Moore is. Or in other words both wrong. Nichols will come good this coming season
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Post by stroudgas93 on Jun 14, 2018 10:52:17 GMT
I'd rather keep Rory and write off Nichols. He just kept disappearing at the end of last season. Anyone notice how quiet the crowd were when he came on as sub? To be honest I would have thought DC would have been more careful with the money but having Stewart telling you how good he was is a bit like Lines telling you how good Byron Moore is. Or in other words both wrong. Nichols will come good this coming season
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 14, 2018 11:08:06 GMT
Am I missing something but why would three players based in the north, McAleny, Madden & Bell, turn down deals at rumoured big payers Fleetwood & Rotherham to move to Bristol, which is hardly a cheap city to live in? As far as betting McAleny will out score Nichols is league record hardly suggests he will Yes, you are missing something. The suggestions were made before McAleny, Madden and Ball made their moves to Fleetwood and Rotherham and I knew of their interest. McAleny's 5 goals from 15 starts isn't too bad a record last season, considering most was spent in a wider role. If he manages to stay fit this season and starts more games I would put money on him scoring more goals than Nichols. I recall Madden moved from Scunny to Rotherham, I just don't see how you think we could compete with them in terms of wages and living expenses, even promotion prospects last summer, plus our ground and training grounds are hardly attractive in comparison.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 14, 2018 11:22:00 GMT
Yes, you are missing something. The suggestions were made before McAleny, Madden and Ball made their moves to Fleetwood and Rotherham and I knew of their interest. McAleny's 5 goals from 15 starts isn't too bad a record last season, considering most was spent in a wider role. If he manages to stay fit this season and starts more games I would put money on him scoring more goals than Nichols. I recall Madden moved from Scunny to Rotherham, I just don't see how you think we could compete with them in terms of wages and living expenses, even promotion prospects last summer, plus our ground and training grounds are hardly attractive in comparison. Definitely Fleetwood.
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Post by pirate on Jun 14, 2018 11:40:26 GMT
Yes, you are missing something. The suggestions were made before McAleny, Madden and Ball made their moves to Fleetwood and Rotherham and I knew of their interest. McAleny's 5 goals from 15 starts isn't too bad a record last season, considering most was spent in a wider role. If he manages to stay fit this season and starts more games I would put money on him scoring more goals than Nichols. I recall Madden moved from Scunny to Rotherham, I just don't see how you think we could compete with them in terms of wages and living expenses, even promotion prospects last summer, plus our ground and training grounds are hardly attractive in comparison. It was Fleetwood he moved to, who finished below us, and yes I do expect us to be able to compete with them, despite their better training ground.
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Post by axegas on Jun 14, 2018 11:42:01 GMT
I'd rather keep Rory and write off Nichols. He just kept disappearing at the end of last season. Anyone notice how quiet the crowd were when he came on as sub? To be honest I would have thought DC would have been more careful with the money but having Stewart telling you how good he was is a bit like Lines telling you how good Byron Moore is. Or in other words both wrong. I’d give him one more season, there must be something in him or he wouldn’t have finished top scorer at Exeter or Peterborough. There’s still time yet for him to salvage his Rovers career, I think a large part of it is down to confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 12:22:45 GMT
I'd rather keep Rory and write off Nichols. He just kept disappearing at the end of last season. Anyone notice how quiet the crowd were when he came on as sub? To be honest I would have thought DC would have been more careful with the money but having Stewart telling you how good he was is a bit like Lines telling you how good Byron Moore is. Or in other words both wrong. I’d give him one more season, there must be something in him or he wouldn’t have finished top scorer at Exeter or Peterborough. There’s still time yet for him to salvage his Rovers career, I think a large part of it is down to confidence. I still think there is a good footballer there with TN. He has good movement, good touch, can play a pass. I feel his main problem was where he was played most of the time. That was either wide, or dropping deep, with both of those positions not really suited to him, plus from there it's not that easy to score goals. Yes, I'm aware someone will bring up the times where he played as a striker, but those times were few and far between and I just feel he didn't really have a run of games as a striker, which he needed so as to build up some rhythm and confidence. His lack of goals affected his confidence which meant he snatched at the chances that came his way. He's too good a footballer to write off.
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Post by straighouttabristol on Jun 14, 2018 12:27:08 GMT
I recall Madden moved from Scunny to Rotherham, I just don't see how you think we could compete with them in terms of wages and living expenses, even promotion prospects last summer, plus our ground and training grounds are hardly attractive in comparison. It was Fleetwood he moved to, who finished below us, and yes I do expect us to be able to compete with them, despite their better training ground. Your a better scout than business man. How can we compete when they pay better wages in a place that’s half the price of living in bristol so the wage will go further. Also up north where your already based so you don’t have to move house change your kids school leave friends and family. Would you leave your job to go to another part of the country on less money and your price of living is gonna be a lot higher?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 12:32:42 GMT
It was Fleetwood he moved to, who finished below us, and yes I do expect us to be able to compete with them, despite their better training ground. Your a better scout than business man. How can we compete when they pay better wages in a place that’s half the price of living in bristol so the wage will go further. Also up north where your already based so you don’t have to move house change your kids school leave friends and family. Would you leave your job to go to another part of the country on less money and your price of living is gonna be a lot higher? That, in a nutshell, is why we sometimes have difficulties signing players. Even the sh1t, who pay far more in wages, have the same problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 18:21:39 GMT
I'd rather keep Rory and write off Nichols. He just kept disappearing at the end of last season. Anyone notice how quiet the crowd were when he came on as sub? To be honest I would have thought DC would have been more careful with the money but having Stewart telling you how good he was is a bit like Lines telling you how good Byron Moore is. Or in other words both wrong. You don't think Marcus Stewart, given everything he has achieved himself as a striker at the highest domestic level, might know a decent striker when he sees one? There could be any number of reasons why Nichols had a poor season last year. None of us know what that reason(s) was, perhaps he doesn't himself. Let's give him a chance next season to come good though.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 14, 2018 18:55:05 GMT
I'd rather keep Rory and write off Nichols. He just kept disappearing at the end of last season. Anyone notice how quiet the crowd were when he came on as sub? To be honest I would have thought DC would have been more careful with the money but having Stewart telling you how good he was is a bit like Lines telling you how good Byron Moore is. Or in other words both wrong. You don't think Marcus Stewart, given everything he has achieved himself as a striker at the highest domestic level, might know a decent striker when he sees one? There could be any number of reasons why Nichols had a poor season last year. None of us know what that reason(s) was, perhaps he doesn't himself. Let's give him a chance next season to come good though. Re MS the fact Nichols was so poor last season surely answers your own question? From January onwards, even December, I can't recall him ever even coming close to scoring let alone scoring. DC will be taking an hell of gamble if he starts next season expecting Nichols to be our main goal threat again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 19:01:38 GMT
You don't think Marcus Stewart, given everything he has achieved himself as a striker at the highest domestic level, might know a decent striker when he sees one? There could be any number of reasons why Nichols had a poor season last year. None of us know what that reason(s) was, perhaps he doesn't himself. Let's give him a chance next season to come good though. Re MS the fact Nichols was so poor last season surely answers your own question? From January onwards, even December, I can't recall him ever even coming close to scoring let alone scoring. DC will be taking an hell of gamble if he starts next season expecting Nichols to be our main goal threat again. So Nichols having a poor season means Stewart doesn't know a striker...? Like I said, we don't know why Nichols had a poor season, but it could be a number of reasons other than he's not very good. Maybe if a goal had gone in for him earlier in the season, things may have been different. Fine lines. I felt he looked like a boy in a man's game at times so I get the frustration. But lets give him a chance to succeed, which surely is what we all want to happen.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 15, 2018 6:27:44 GMT
And I still stand by those suggestions and would have them all over Gaffney and Nichols, regardless of their stats. McAleny is a good player who struggled with injury at the start of the season and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Fewster made a bad decision moving to a non-league club and struggled for goals and game time. Having watched him score goals in the past I still think he could score goals at our level. He would've been one I wanted to bring in as a work in progress. Maguire can play as an attacking midfielder and a wider role and I felt would've suited the way we play and I would backed him with our setup to score more than Nichols managed. Hirst was never meant as a permanent. David Ball is an intelligent player and another one who would have suited our system coming in from a wider role and I reckon he would've scored more playing for us. Madden needed a fresh start and should have moved on last summer. Since joining Fleetwood he has scored 6 goals in 17 starts and I bet he scores more than Gaffney and Nichols individually next season. Toney scored 12 from 23 starts last season which is more goals than Gaffney and Nichols combined. Am I missing something but why would three players based in the north, McAleny, Madden & Bell, turn down deals at rumoured big payers Fleetwood & Rotherham to move to Bristol, which is hardly a cheap city to live in? As far as betting McAleny will out score Nichols is league record hardly suggests he will: 2011–2017 Everton 2 (0) 2012 → Scunthorpe United (loan) 3 (0) 2013 → Brentford (loan) 4 (0) 2015 → Cardiff City (loan) 8 (2) 2015 → Charlton Athletic (loan) 8 (0) 2016 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 13 (4) 2017 → Oxford United (loan) 18 (10) 2017– Fleetwood Town 28 (5) If DC signs him today there would be a forum meltdown looking at that record!! One decent season and he's hardly a youngster at 25. I would love us to sign McAleny to be honest.
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Post by pirate on Jun 15, 2018 9:12:58 GMT
Am I missing something but why would three players based in the north, McAleny, Madden & Bell, turn down deals at rumoured big payers Fleetwood & Rotherham to move to Bristol, which is hardly a cheap city to live in? As far as betting McAleny will out score Nichols is league record hardly suggests he will: 2011–2017 Everton 2 (0) 2012 → Scunthorpe United (loan) 3 (0) 2013 → Brentford (loan) 4 (0) 2015 → Cardiff City (loan) 8 (2) 2015 → Charlton Athletic (loan) 8 (0) 2016 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 13 (4) 2017 → Oxford United (loan) 18 (10) 2017– Fleetwood Town 28 (5) If DC signs him today there would be a forum meltdown looking at that record!! One decent season and he's hardly a youngster at 25. I would love us to sign McAleny to be honest. Some of the goals he scores are absolute quality and 19 goals from 40 starts at this level is very good, despite what Topper says.
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