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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 18, 2018 18:58:08 GMT
Germany is fecked, and it's only now that Merkel realizes it. The vast majority (something like 98%) of the 2 million migrants and Asylum Seekers that have arrived in Germany since 2015 will never find a job here. They lack the language skills, the work ethic and the educational standards to find work. There are still 10,000 arriving every month. Each one costs 1,000 Euros per month (minimum) to take care of. That is 10 MILLION per month (minimum) being added to the Welfare Budget, every month.....which doesn't include the cost of the other two million already mention. Government estimates put the total cost at around 20 Billion so far, and for that Germany gets very few workers, yet that is the main reason for allowing migrants in. On the bright side the falling population will rise in Germany as the third world immigrants breed like rabbits when someone else is paying to support their offspring who like their parents will fail to integrate or contribute. what a lovely human being you are.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 18, 2018 19:23:21 GMT
Germany is fecked, and it's only now that Merkel realizes it. The vast majority (something like 98%) of the 2 million migrants and Asylum Seekers that have arrived in Germany since 2015 will never find a job here. They lack the language skills, the work ethic and the educational standards to find work. There are still 10,000 arriving every month. Each one costs 1,000 Euros per month (minimum) to take care of. That is 10 MILLION per month (minimum) being added to the Welfare Budget, every month.....which doesn't include the cost of the other two million already mention. Government estimates put the total cost at around 20 Billion so far, and for that Germany gets very few workers, yet that is the main reason for allowing migrants in. On the bright side the falling population will rise in Germany as the third world immigrants breed like rabbits when someone else is paying to support their offspring who like their parents will fail to integrate or contribute. Good grief. What happened to you to make you feel like that?
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Post by baggins on Jul 19, 2018 4:58:15 GMT
And most of the multi millionaire Tories do just that. As i said all parties ,just because someone's a tory mp doesn't mean the are rich , obviously your darling bLair did what was the best for the uk ,and didn't feather his own nest by going to war on a lie and lining up a job as a peace envoy to the same region he destroyed. na just tories Go to war on a lie? What lie? Blair sent us into war on information given to him. The information was wrong, and to suggest that he sent us into a combat zone just so he could make money after it was over is just stupid.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 19, 2018 5:57:33 GMT
As i said all parties ,just because someone's a tory mp doesn't mean the are rich , obviously your darling bLair did what was the best for the uk ,and didn't feather his own nest by going to war on a lie and lining up a job as a peace envoy to the same region he destroyed. na just tories Go to war on a lie? What lie? Blair sent us into war on information given to him. The information was wrong, and to suggest that he sent us into a combat zone just so he could make money after it was over is just stupid. Nah, he definitely lied about the reasons for going to war. It was all about oil and the petrodollar.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2018 6:35:52 GMT
Go to war on a lie? What lie? Blair sent us into war on information given to him. The information was wrong, and to suggest that he sent us into a combat zone just so he could make money after it was over is just stupid. Nah, he definitely lied about the reasons for going to war. It was all about oil and the petrodollar. Was given a grain of truth which gave him an excuse he thought he could sell to parliament and the public, then proceeded to embellish it beyond plausibility. Anyway, well OT. Can we get back to Brexit before I mention Putin and Pirate pops along too. Did I really type can we talk about Brexit? ,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:32:00 GMT
Nah, he definitely lied about the reasons for going to war. It was all about oil and the petrodollar. Was given a grain of truth which gave him an excuse he thought he could sell to parliament and the public, then proceeded to embellish it beyond plausibility. Anyway, well OT. Can we get back to Brexit before I mention Putin and Pirate pops along too. Did I really type can we talk about Brexit? , We can. Interesting comments on here from the pro Brexit side. I think some of the comments underline what many of us "internationalits" fear. That not an insignificant number use this debate as an outlet (cover) for their racist and xenophobic views.it seems to me if you challenge Brexiteers on detail they fall over and offer nothing but "Mom, Pop and Apple Pie" responses. Frightening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:41:00 GMT
Was given a grain of truth which gave him an excuse he thought he could sell to parliament and the public, then proceeded to embellish it beyond plausibility. Anyway, well OT. Can we get back to Brexit before I mention Putin and Pirate pops along too. Did I really type can we talk about Brexit? , We can. Interesting comments on here from the pro Brexit side. I think some of the comments underline what many of us "internationalits" fear. That not an insignificant number use this debate as an outlet (cover) for their racist and xenophobic views.it seems to me if you challenge Brexiteers on detail they fall over and offer nothing but "Mom, Pop and Apple Pie" responses. Frightening. "That post is completely devoid of any factual basis, but based on your own speculative opinion".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:42:19 GMT
Very good critique here of EU Japan trade deal. It does not go far enough. With regard to some comments on here about Japan, interesting comment about their PM using deals like this to prise open their sclerotic society to internationalism. At the very time that Brexiteers are intent on reversing the "Open Economy" that the UK has developed and enjoyed over the last 20 years. www.ft.com/content/3c44a364-85fd-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:44:10 GMT
We can. Interesting comments on here from the pro Brexit side. I think some of the comments underline what many of us "internationalits" fear. That not an insignificant number use this debate as an outlet (cover) for their racist and xenophobic views.it seems to me if you challenge Brexiteers on detail they fall over and offer nothing but "Mom, Pop and Apple Pie" responses. Frightening. "That post is completely devoid of any factual basis, but based on your own speculative opinion". I refer the learned gentleman to the comments by Jaggas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:48:09 GMT
These are dark days for the global trading system. Donald Trump seems intent on testing to destruction its resilience to protectionism and unilateralism. China, although it makes noises about being part of an alliance to restrain or outflank the US president, forges ahead with its own nationalist development strategy. Like Mr Trump, Beijing wrongly seems to regard the world economy as a zero-sum game.
It is some cause for cheer, then, that on Tuesday the world’s second- and fourth-largest trading blocs, the EU and Japan, held the official signing ceremony for a bilateral trade deal that was agreed in principle last year after four years of relatively straightforward talks with little public opposition.
Yet the agreement, while welcome, falls short of an adequate response to the threats to global commerce. This is not just because it does not include the US and China. It is because the EU in particular has prioritised speed over quality in its rush to rack up bilateral trade deals around the globe.
Much credit for the agreement, and for his approach to trade policy more generally, should go to Shinzo Abe, the Japanese prime minister. Beyond driving forward this bilateral deal with the EU, he was instrumental in reviving the Trans-Pacific Partnership after Mr Trump pulled the US out of it. Shorn of the more restrictive provisions on intellectual property rights, the pointedly renamed Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership also became a better deal.
Japan has traditionally played a somewhat subdued role in multilateral or plurilateral trade negotiations, usually letting others take the lead. But Mr Abe has seized the opportunity to use trade deals exactly the way they are supposed to function, as a way of forcing domestic reform. He has employed agreements to try to crack open Japan’s heavily protected and stultified agricultural sector, and to promote domestic services liberalisation.
A similar strategy, unfortunately, is less evident on the European side. The omission in the Japan deal, and one of the most important holes in the EU’s trade strategy, is the absence of a substantive binding reciprocal agreement on the free flow of data.
The global move to data localisation — requiring that information be held in-country — is a clear and present danger to global integration. It threatens not just the delivery of online services but the data components now embedded in so many manufactures, such as maintenance contracts for vehicles, that are increasingly more valuable than the physical goods themselves. But the EU is terrified of public suspicion that data agreements mean compromising personal privacy. Accordingly, it declines to put meaningful data flow provisions into trade deals.
Instead, Brussels and Tokyo are reduced to pretending that they have a binding reciprocal agreement by simultaneously signing “adequacy agreements” recognising each other’s data privacy regime as sufficient to permit the transfer of personal information. Such deals are vulnerable to domestic court challenge — as was the EU’s “Safe Harbor” agreement with the US — and can unilaterally be revoked. Adequacy is an unacceptably fragile form of governance for such an important feature of modern economies.
With this deal done, the EU and Japan should take the opportunity to broaden out their approach to trade diplomacy, trying to mobilise other large economies to defend and extend free trade. The agreement is welcome, as far as it goes. But its coverage both in terms of breadth and depth means it can only be a partial response to the threats to global free trade.
Full transcript for those who cannot access the FT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2018 8:00:56 GMT
Was given a grain of truth which gave him an excuse he thought he could sell to parliament and the public, then proceeded to embellish it beyond plausibility. Anyway, well OT. Can we get back to Brexit before I mention Putin and Pirate pops along too. Did I really type can we talk about Brexit? , We can. Interesting comments on here from the pro Brexit side. I think some of the comments underline what many of us "internationalits" fear. That not an insignificant number use this debate as an outlet (cover) for their racist and xenophobic views.it seems to me if you challenge Brexiteers on detail they fall over and offer nothing but "Mom, Pop and Apple Pie" responses. Frightening. To be fair this has been quite an informed debate compared to the original in 2016, far more balanced for a start. By the way, Jaggas, if you read this I'm still waiting for an apology or response. I take it after 2 years it's not forthcoming.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 19, 2018 8:01:36 GMT
Trump praised Boris.
That should tell you all you need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:14:19 GMT
Trump praised Boris. That should tell you all you need to know. He also praised Putin an Kim. Tells you even more. That he is as dense as the other three.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:29:37 GMT
Trump praised Boris. That should tell you all you need to know. He also praised Putin an Kim. Tells you even more. That he is as dense as the other three. I'm no Trump fan but he does seem damned if he does and damned if he doesn't on everything. Any praise or goodwill towards Putin and Kim he gets stick, he would also get stick for making negative comments and trying to stoke WWIII and saying nothing he would be accused of burying his head in the sand. He should go back to counting his money and building great golf courses which he is good at.
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Post by jaggas on Jul 19, 2018 9:56:41 GMT
On the bright side the falling population will rise in Germany as the third world immigrants breed like rabbits when someone else is paying to support their offspring who like their parents will fail to integrate or contribute. what a lovely human being you are. So the rising crime and sexual assaults in Germany are just a coincidence and nothing to do with the people who arrived.The welfare bill rising in billions is also just a coincidence as well is it? Your head is firmly buried in the sand if you think that is the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:57:11 GMT
He also praised Putin an Kim. Tells you even more. That he is as dense as the other three. I'm no Trump fan but he does seem damned if he does and damned if he doesn't on everything. Any praise or goodwill towards Putin and Kim he gets stick, he would also get stick for making negative comments and trying to stoke WWIII and saying nothing he would be accused of burying his head in the sand. He should go back to counting his money and building great golf courses which he is good at. I think consistency is the main charge, plus an almost psychotic inability to listen and take advice from those who know more than he does. As such, he consistently makes a fool of himself. Bit like Boris and Reese-Mogg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:59:25 GMT
what a lovely human being you are. So the rising crime and sexual assaults in Germany are just a coincidence and nothing to do with the people who arrived.Keep your head firmly buried in the sand. Back to our own country, who are the main protagonists in knife crime? (Brexit related as immigration was a key factor, apparently)
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Post by jaggas on Jul 19, 2018 10:51:50 GMT
Knife crime and the moped robbing gangs in London have nothing to do with Brexit or our membership of the EU.Immigration may have played a part in some folks thinking especially the people living in the north of England where the leave vote was very high.I don't think anyone can argue against EU citizens coming to the UK to work bringing much needed skills with them that are required and that shouldn't stop.A free for all where EU citizens can come to the UK claim benefits and live off the state receiving free healthcare is not what is desired and using the r word and putting phobia on the end of words with no meaning will not stop people feeling that way.
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Post by inee on Jul 19, 2018 11:10:06 GMT
Was given a grain of truth which gave him an excuse he thought he could sell to parliament and the public, then proceeded to embellish it beyond plausibility. Anyway, well OT. Can we get back to Brexit before I mention Putin and Pirate pops along too. Did I really type can we talk about Brexit? , We can. Interesting comments on here from the pro Brexit side. I think some of the comments underline what many of us "internationalits" fear. That not an insignificant number use this debate as an outlet (cover) for their racist and xenophobic views.it seems to me if you challenge Brexiteers on detail they fall over and offer nothing but "Mom, Pop and Apple Pie" responses. Frightening. Ah here we go again ,we could say the remainers continually trot this line out to anyone and everyone who don't share their views. The reality is this people are called racist way too often these days and as such has devalued the word and deviated away from the original meaning of the word ,just because someone doesn't share your views doesn't mean they are racist. Can you point out those racist posts in this thread. Shouldn't it be Mun Dad and A cod lot ,in case you forgot we did invent this language not the blood yanks
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Post by inee on Jul 19, 2018 11:13:42 GMT
So the rising crime and sexual assaults in Germany are just a coincidence and nothing to do with the people who arrived.Keep your head firmly buried in the sand. Back to our own country, who are the main protagonists in knife crime? (Brexit related as immigration was a key factor, apparently) Knife crime down to brexit get real , it's down to imported american youth culture and modern british i wan't it and i want it now society the inability for those involved to work hard for their belongings ,rather than rob some poor innocent person ,still at least the majority involved in knife crime are in the main slaughtering their own types ,long may it continue .
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