The Brexit Retreat

Don't always agree with you but this time i do in the main ,i have always said if you want to come here as an immigrant ,fine as long as you have work and take out a private medical insurance policy ,until such times as you have paid in with taxes so are allowed full access to services we get ,why does it seem so impossible for the sheeple to understand this is not racist it's not discriminating ,it's just the way it should be , to look at it another way most people in employment get time served bonuses ,ie maybe a pay rise every few years, a loyalty bonus ,an extra days holiday for time served a lot of companies used to do the old 4 weeks holiday ,with a day extra from the 5th year on upto a maximum of an extra week so 5 instead of 4 ,an example of you've achieved these goals heres your reward ,now what's wrong with using the same principles with immigration until they have proved their worth ,then get the same level of health care and employment laws as those who are born here get .

One thing  i recall that made me laugh was this a few years back when the holiday entitlement changed to i think it was 5 weeks holiday across the board, people were not happy saying how unfair it was that someone who started word 3 days ago now had the same holiday entitlement as people who had been there 10 years or more ,then in the same breath say anyone should be allowed over here with full entitlement to services odd.

Another thing is people coming from europe should be given the same level of healthcare and benefits as they give out in their country of origin , if you are employed over here but arn't born here ,if you have a job and lose it ,if you sign on for 4 weeks you can go back to your home country and the uk will pay that person benefits for upto 6 months  ,if that's not a water take i don't know what is ,an example a polish woman came over to join her husband and bought their kid ,stayed for a while and went back home ,she now gets all the child and tax credits as her hubby is still here ,it's paid into her bank account in poland , my problem with that is that once she went back with her kid then poland should be paying for them not us.

It's things like that that some have voted out of europe,  

jaggas agree totally on  the bastardisation of words by those who know better a phobia is a fear ,it seems if you disagree with anything you suddenly become either racist or *****aphobic (****** insert word of choice there)  , i well remember the days when if someone called your racist it had a lot of impact,these days if someone says oi racist you shrug your shoulders and ignore em ,thats how much idiots have watered down that word

And the same poster asked me to quote a racist comment on this thread.
I see some people have comprehension issues as well, when I put into parentheses, "Brexit related as immigration was an issue, apparently" I was trying to relate back to the thread topic, not blaming on any one issue.
Jesus.
The trouble with this debate, we go from some rational debate, without rancour, to this kind of stuff from people who expose deep seated hatred of other cultures and are completely incapable of making an evidenced point.

Back to where we are. I think we are witnessing retreat by the governing party, but its chaotic. This chaos could lead to a very hard Brexit which I fail to hear from anyone, apart from the group led by Reese-Mogg, who can articulate how we will NOT be hit economically by this. 

I'm not sure that the evidence suggests that it's just gang on gang violence.

I don't have any problem with us setting up some basic qualifying criteria for recipt of benefits.

They should be applied to everyone, UK citizens and immigrants alike.

There are a lot of British people who claim benefits and use the NHS who have never worked or paid any tax.

I don't personally know any immigrants, but the ones I do think fall into that catagory are the ones driving delivery vans, washing cars, sweeping roads, picking up garbage, pushing wheelchairs in hospitals.

I do however know plenty of white ethnic Brits who due to a toe injury 15 years ago, manage to get a new bunglalow, all expenses paid State Pension, smoke, and somehow manage to may their way up to the pub every day.

Maybe if we sorted our own house out first we wouldn't be concerned with how much we're spending on immigration.

Its so tempting isn't it to go down that route. In a debate recently I advocated allocating the economic loss that will accrue to a disastrous hard Brexit equally across those who voted leave. (Tongue in cheek).
The trouble is Hugo if we did that and allocated resources as a % of your contribution to the tax base then the north of England might well represent an African State in a lot of areas. Oh and they voted leave. 

Yeah probably you are right.

To get back to the task at hand at the end of the day "we" lost.

So how do we make Brexit work now?

I honestly don't know.

I read "their own types" as being scumbag villains. Looks like a mischevious, deliberate misinterpretation to try and create a racism accusation when one clearly doesn't exist.

Did you? Nevermind.