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Post by inee on Jul 19, 2018 13:04:23 GMT
Yes i did but it's blindingly obvious what i meant by types ,if i would have said something in a different thread along the lines of.,i can't believe someone with your private eduvcation Do you work with any employees who are from abroad? Yes i have why?? |
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Post by baggins on Jul 19, 2018 13:05:37 GMT
And the same poster asked me to quote a racist comment on this thread. I see some people have comprehension issues as well, when I put into parentheses, "Brexit related as immigration was an issue, apparently" I was trying to relate back to the thread topic, not blaming on any one issue. Jesus. The trouble with this debate, we go from some rational debatea naughty school boy, without rancour, to this kind of stuff from people who expose deep seated hatred of other cultures and are completely incapable of making an evidenced point. Back to where we are. I think we are witnessing retreat by the governing party, but its chaotic. This chaos could lead to a very hard Brexit which I fail to hear from anyone, apart from the group led by Reese-Mogg, who can articulate how we will NOT be hit economically by this. the reason i did that is because you suddenly started playing the racist card , no comprehension issues here it's simple you started using the word racist ,i merely asked for evidence of racism on this thread is it so difficult for you to back up your post as you have asked others to do. Again off you go again it's ok for you to call someone racist but not ok to be questioned on your opinion ,if the second paragraph was aimed at me i have no hatred of other cultures ,i firmly believe that we need to put us first before others. This whole debate is based on opinion as the truth of Brexit will only become apparent a few years down the line ,you can quote anything you want that was written by a journalist but im sorry unless they have a time machine they simply do not know what will happen. This all starts with cameron ,held a referendum then ran away like a naughty schoolboy ,lets face it he tried to threaten the eu they laughed he then did what people had asked for but because the result was not what he wanted he fecked of like the coward he is ,then we get a remainder in charge of our exit who as i have already speculated has lost the confidence of the eu as she gave up to easily ,so in effect the eu can do what they want ,we may end up with an exit where we are still members but not by name and paying more into europe, all speculation but plausible. Wow, I actually agree with your last paragraph. |
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Post by inee on Jul 19, 2018 13:06:16 GMT
I read "their own types" as being scumbag villains. Looks like a mischevious, deliberate misinterpretation to try and create a racism accusation when one clearly doesn't exist. But it's not scumbag villains that are getting stabbed. In the main it is hugo ,i did mention in the post that it's not just people in gangs getting stabbed ,but those with ties to gangs are in the majority of those stabbed |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:06:34 GMT
I read "their own types" as being scumbag villains. Looks like a mischevious, deliberate misinterpretation to try and create a racism accusation when one clearly doesn't exist. But it's not scumbag villains that are getting stabbed. Most seem to be gang feuds with one gang member stabbing another gang member. I don't buy this loveable rogue, good lad really, was turning his life round nonsense that gets spouted by friends and family every time. Sure there are exceptions but this epidemic of knife crime is largely inter gang warfare. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 19, 2018 13:08:31 GMT
Do you work with any employees who are from abroad? Yes i have why?? Have? And did you feel like they weren't contributing enough, maybe they brought their famillies over, perhaps a few used the NHS after only being here for a while? I take it you no longer work, retired? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:20:41 GMT
Its so tempting isn't it to go down that route. In a debate recently I advocated allocating the economic loss that will accrue to a disastrous hard Brexit equally across those who voted leave. (Tongue in cheek). The trouble is Hugo if we did that and allocated resources as a % of your contribution to the tax base then the north of England might well represent an African State in a lot of areas. Oh and they voted leave. Yeah probably you are right. To get back to the task at hand at the end of the day "we" lost. So how do we make Brexit work now? I honestly don't know. Negotiate the best deal the current government can put together and put it to the vote. I cannot see any other way of getting this across the line |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:21:11 GMT
Its so tempting isn't it to go down that route. In a debate recently I advocated allocating the economic loss that will accrue to a disastrous hard Brexit equally across those who voted leave. (Tongue in cheek). The trouble is Hugo if we did that and allocated resources as a % of your contribution to the tax base then the north of England might well represent an African State in a lot of areas. Oh and they voted leave. Yeah probably you are right. To get back to the task at hand at the end of the day "we" lost. So how do we make Brexit work now? I honestly don't know. You're right - whatever anyone's views the vote has been cast and we've signed our resignation letter and have to now get on with things. It's seemingly difficult, possibly impossible, to reach a reasonable agreement with the EU. The EU negotiators are angry that someone has broken ranks and they were too blinkered to notice that their expanding power grab was not going down well across Europe. They are going to try and destroy us to make an example to other nations who may even dare to think about going their own way. It's unfortunate as forcing us towards a no deal exit is bound to impact poorly on their member states in regard to trade and not just us. When I see the EU negotiators bully boy attitude to anyone who dares question their United States of Europe utopia it just reinforces my view the the leave vote was correct. |
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Post by inee on Jul 19, 2018 13:24:08 GMT
nope and i never said immigrants should not be allowed to work or that they were lazy ,i said and will repeat it forever ,if you want to move here from another country get a job simple as ,again if you remove the blinkers you would have read all that in my posts.  ,no problem with workers families ,but i have a problem that the family members can go home and claim 6 months worth of benefits then repeat the cycle ,this is down to eu regs and needs to stop end of. Unable to work at the moment due to mental health issues ,i have mentioned it several times in many threads ,i have also stated on numerous occasions that i'm privileged to be born in a country that has a welfare system. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:35:31 GMT
Yeah probably you are right. To get back to the task at hand at the end of the day "we" lost. So how do we make Brexit work now? I honestly don't know. Negotiate the best deal the current government can put together and put it to the vote. I cannot see any other way of getting this across the line And if that doesn't work call it best of three? What about a game of paper, scissors, stone? In all seriousness the public had their vote on the broad principle of whether we felt we should leave or remain and that should be the end of our involvement. The public are not qualified enough to decipher the complexities of what will no doubt be a huge and complex set of terms (obviously including myself as a racist thicko). We have to trust the elected government to get the best deal possible and go with it although a cross party task force may have been preferable? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:46:59 GMT
Negotiate the best deal the current government can put together and put it to the vote. I cannot see any other way of getting this across the line And if that doesn't work call it best of three? What about a game of paper, scissors, stone? In all seriousness the public had their vote on the broad principle of whether we felt we should leave or remain and that should be the end of our involvement. The public are not qualified enough to decipher the complexities of what will no doubt be a huge and complex set of terms (obviously including myself as a racist thicko). We have to trust the elected government to get the best deal possible and go with it although a cross party task force may have been preferable? Are you suggesting that you and others are not qualified to vote?? Whatever next!! |
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Post by jaggas on Jul 19, 2018 14:13:39 GMT
Don't always agree with you but this time i do in the main ,i have always said if you want to come here as an immigrant ,fine as long as you have work and take out a private medical insurance policy ,until such times as you have paid in with taxes so are allowed full access to services we get ,why does it seem so impossible for the sheeple to understand this is not racist it's not discriminating ,it's just the way it should be , to look at it another way most people in employment get time served bonuses ,ie maybe a pay rise every few years, a loyalty bonus ,an extra days holiday for time served a lot of companies used to do the old 4 weeks holiday ,with a day extra from the 5th year on upto a maximum of an extra week so 5 instead of 4 ,an example of you've achieved these goals heres your reward ,now what's wrong with using the same principles with immigration until they have proved their worth ,then get the same level of health care and employment laws as those who are born here get . One thing i recall that made me laugh was this a few years back when the holiday entitlement changed to i think it was 5 weeks holiday across the board, people were not happy saying how unfair it was that someone who started word 3 days ago now had the same holiday entitlement as people who had been there 10 years or more ,then in the same breath say anyone should be allowed over here with full entitlement to services odd. Another thing is people coming from europe should be given the same level of healthcare and benefits as they give out in their country of origin , if you are employed over here but arn't born here ,if you have a job and lose it ,if you sign on for 4 weeks you can go back to your home country and the uk will pay that person benefits for upto 6 months ,if that's not a water take i don't know what is ,an example a polish woman came over to join her husband and bought their kid ,stayed for a while and went back home ,she now gets all the child and tax credits as her hubby is still here ,it's paid into her bank account in poland , my problem with that is that once she went back with her kid then poland should be paying for them not us. It's things like that that some have voted out of europe, jaggas agree totally on the bastardisation of words by those who know better a phobia is a fear ,it seems if you disagree with anything you suddenly become either racist or *****aphobic (****** insert word of choice there) , i well remember the days when if someone called your racist it had a lot of impact,these days if someone says oi racist you shrug your shoulders and ignore em ,thats how much idiots have watered down that word I don't have any problem with us setting up some basic qualifying criteria for recipt of benefits. They should be applied to everyone, UK citizens and immigrants alike. There are a lot of British people who claim benefits and use the NHS who have never worked or paid any tax. What a stupid comment to make and a lazy comparison.Because some British people are lazy and claim benefits importing people from other countries to balance it out is not the answer. |
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Post by jaggas on Jul 19, 2018 14:15:51 GMT
Knife crime down to brexit get real , it's down to imported american youth culture and modern british i wan't it and i want it now society the inability for those involved to work hard for their belongings ,rather than rob some poor innocent person ,still at least the majority involved in knife crime are in the main slaughtering their own types ,long may it continue . Their own types? Explain please how that is racist? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 19, 2018 14:25:42 GMT
I don't have any problem with us setting up some basic qualifying criteria for recipt of benefits. They should be applied to everyone, UK citizens and immigrants alike. There are a lot of British people who claim benefits and use the NHS who have never worked or paid any tax. What a stupid comment to make and a lazy comparison.Because some British people are lazy and claim benefits importing people from other countries to balance it out is not the answer. Ive no idea what you think you've read there but your reply makes no sense whatsoever. Where did I say anything about importing anyone in?? I was agreeing with Inee that anyone who comes in to this country should have to meet criteria before they are given benefits. |
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Post by jaggas on Jul 19, 2018 14:27:45 GMT
Knife crime and the moped robbing gangs in London have nothing to do with Brexit or our membership of the EU.Immigration may have played a part in some folks thinking especially the people living in the north of England where the leave vote was very high.I don't think anyone can argue against EU citizens coming to the UK to work bringing much needed skills with them that are required and that shouldn't stop.A free for all where EU citizens can come to the UK claim benefits and live off the state receiving free healthcare is not what is desired and using the r word and putting phobia on the end of words with no meaning will not stop people feeling that way. So immigration causes rising crime and sexual assaults in Germany but immigration does not cause knife crime in the UK? Wasn't it suggested earlier that the EU allowed waves of criminals to enter the UK so we needed to leave the EU? Now you are arguing that that's not the case? It has in Germany,Italy and Sweden as they have taken millions of people with warped beliefs, values and customs in a short space of time.Hence the welfare bills rising sharply where these people have settled.Rape and sexual assaults have risen to frightening levels.The UK wasn't the first point or second point of call for those people they are still raping and pillaging their way through mainland Europe so you are wrong Brexit has nothing to do with the rising knife crime in our country. Rising knife crime is probably down to the politically correct chief constables who have told officers not to stop and search the people who are more likely to carry knives for fear of being branded racist by people who think like you and Oldie. |
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Post by jaggas on Jul 19, 2018 14:29:38 GMT
What a stupid comment to make and a lazy comparison.Because some British people are lazy and claim benefits importing people from other countries to balance it out is not the answer. Ive no idea what you think you've read there but your reply makes no sense whatsoever. Where did I say anything about importing anyone in?? I was agreeing with Inee that anyone who comes in to this country should have to meet criteria before they are given benefits. Yet you had to add that some British people don't work Never paid into the system but claim benefits.Are you now denying that you wrote that? |
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Post by jaggas on Jul 19, 2018 14:34:28 GMT
Knife crime and the moped robbing gangs in London have nothing to do with Brexit or our membership of the EU.Immigration may have played a part in some folks thinking especially the people living in the north of England where the leave vote was very high.I don't think anyone can argue against EU citizens coming to the UK to work bringing much needed skills with them that are required and that shouldn't stop.A free for all where EU citizens can come to the UK claim benefits and live off the state receiving free healthcare is not what is desired and using the r word and putting phobia on the end of words with no meaning will not stop people feeling that way. Don't always agree with you but this time i do in the main ,i have always said if you want to come here as an immigrant ,fine as long as you have work and take out a private medical insurance policy ,until such times as you have paid in with taxes so are allowed full access to services we get ,why does it seem so impossible for the sheeple to understand this is not racist it's not discriminating ,it's just the way it should be , to look at it another way most people in employment get time served bonuses ,ie maybe a pay rise every few years, a loyalty bonus ,an extra days holiday for time served a lot of companies used to do the old 4 weeks holiday ,with a day extra from the 5th year on upto a maximum of an extra week so 5 instead of 4 ,an example of you've achieved these goals heres your reward ,now what's wrong with using the same principles with immigration until they have proved their worth ,then get the same level of health care and employment laws as those who are born here get . One thing i recall that made me laugh was this a few years back when the holiday entitlement changed to i think it was 5 weeks holiday across the board, people were not happy saying how unfair it was that someone who started word 3 days ago now had the same holiday entitlement as people who had been there 10 years or more ,then in the same breath say anyone should be allowed over here with full entitlement to services odd. Another thing is people coming from europe should be given the same level of healthcare and benefits as they give out in their country of origin , if you are employed over here but arn't born here ,if you have a job and lose it ,if you sign on for 4 weeks you can go back to your home country and the uk will pay that person benefits for upto 6 months ,if that's not a water take i don't know what is ,an example a polish woman came over to join her husband and bought their kid ,stayed for a while and went back home ,she now gets all the child and tax credits as her hubby is still here ,it's paid into her bank account in poland , my problem with that is that once she went back with her kid then poland should be paying for them not us. It's things like that that some have voted out of europe, jaggas agree totally on the bastardisation of words by those who know better a phobia is a fear ,it seems if you disagree with anything you suddenly become either racist or *****aphobic (****** insert word of choice there) , i well remember the days when if someone called your racist it had a lot of impact,these days if someone says oi racist you shrug your shoulders and ignore em ,thats how much idiots have watered down that word Don't mean to split hairs but a phobia according to the dictionary is an irrational fear so if you add it to the word Islam it makes no sense at all.It is a word invented by the liberal left to appease and protect a demonic backward ideology that is incompatible with the modern western world. |
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Post by brfcdom on Jul 19, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
Negotiate the best deal the current government can put together and put it to the vote. I cannot see any other way of getting this across the line And if that doesn't work call it best of three? What about a game of paper, scissors, stone? In all seriousness the public had their vote on the broad principle of whether we felt we should leave or remain and that should be the end of our involvement. The public are not qualified enough to decipher the complexities of what will no doubt be a huge and complex set of terms (obviously including myself as a racist thicko). We have to trust the elected government to get the best deal possible and go with it although a cross party task force may have been preferable? The public weren't qualified enough to decipher the complexities of being a member of the EU either, which is why we're in this clusterfuck of a situation called Brexit in the first place |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:44:20 GMT
And if that doesn't work call it best of three? What about a game of paper, scissors, stone? In all seriousness the public had their vote on the broad principle of whether we felt we should leave or remain and that should be the end of our involvement. The public are not qualified enough to decipher the complexities of what will no doubt be a huge and complex set of terms (obviously including myself as a racist thicko). We have to trust the elected government to get the best deal possible and go with it although a cross party task force may have been preferable? Are you suggesting that you and others are not qualified to vote?? Whatever next!! I think I'm qualified enough to vote on broad principles but not qualified to fully understand a legal document that would probably consist of thousands of pages of legal jargon. I guess that would put me in the same category as 99.99999% of the electorate. We, the public, have made our democratic choice and it's for the elected government and their appointed experts to see things through. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:47:06 GMT
Are you suggesting that you and others are not qualified to vote?? Whatever next!! I think I'm qualified enough to vote on broad principles but not qualified to fully understand a legal document that would probably consist of thousands of pages of legal jargon. I guess that would put me in the same category as 99.99999% of the electorate. We, the public, have made our democratic choice and it's for the elected government and their appointed experts to see things through. And what happens if we point out where they are wrong? As members of the voting public |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 19, 2018 14:50:04 GMT
Ive no idea what you think you've read there but your reply makes no sense whatsoever. Where did I say anything about importing anyone in?? I was agreeing with Inee that anyone who comes in to this country should have to meet criteria before they are given benefits. Yet you had to add that some British people don't work Never paid into the system but claim benefits.Are you now denying that you wrote that? No, I said that British people should also be subject to more robust benefit checks. |
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