The Cliff Richard case

Probably no point debating with this guy/girl Hugo. Nothing much to say it seems.

I don't think any suspect should be named until found guilty.

Tbf Oldie in cases involving the assault of kids there is no such thing as justice in the traditional sense ,short sentence or no sentence in some cases dependant on the judges bent ,in those cases retribution should be the sentence on conviction decided by the victims family ,personally if i was in power they would be hung slowly ,just so they knew what pain the gave their victims ,people don't seem to understand what the victims go through and the effect it has on their everday lives.

I think you may have made a mistake in your assumption there if I may. Inee will I'm sure speak for himself but I understand he would describe justice and the law (and the police - policy enforcement) in very different terms to one another.

My views aren't out of sync with my beliefs ,again show me some evidence and I will gladly apologise , as for confused nope never have been ,for instance food I do not and never will blindly accept halal meats or kosher labelled foodstuff and will seek out meats prepared in our British ways  ,I think organised religion is the root of all the evils in this world and find it vile that food would be blessed in the name of some made up entity in the clouds whilst being  left to bleed out ,that's just one of many things that people like you n I would disagree on ,does that make you any better than I ,no it doesn't all it means is we have equally valid views on stuff.

Everyone advocates the law or some parts of it ,I've never met anyone who whole heartedly agrees with every law published ,for example lets look at some laws you steal from any business and you seem to get the book thrown at ,not burgle someone's house you seem to get a slap on the wrists ,where is the justice in that ,where in that scenario is the law fair ,another when I was in the motor trade a judge had his car broken into which was trailered to our workshops and went over with a fine tooth comb by the forensic people ,a neighbour had his car broken into and plod turned up 3 days later again where is the fairness or equality in the law ,everyone should be treated equally many modern laws are just bought in to oppress the council estate types ,laws are bought in to oppress football fans with laws that only seem to apply to fans ,again where is the fairness in that.

Moving on to serious offences in law ,no matter what you have done you seem to get shorter and shorter sentences ,which are unfairly handed out ,compare say the Kray brothers to others who have murdered more people who served the proper sentences ,take a look online for offences against kids sentences range from feck all to a few years ,when in reality any cases of murder (not accidental deaths) ,but pre meditated murder ,rape ,crimes against children both sexual and physical(I mean beating kids not just a clip round the ear)  should have two sentences one sentence  death by hanging the other sentence should be decided by victims family ,again no confusion here

As for the biggest criminal gang in the country yes plod ,I do not hide the fact that I hate each and everyone of them they are supposed to uphold the law fairly for everyone ,however the reality is they are all corrupt ,picking and choosing what charges fit what crime ,losing evidence ,harassing people going about their lawful business ,in many cased working with private businesses rather than working for or protecting the general public ,solving many soft laws to get better clear up rates by targeting motorist ,to get better detection rates ,using bully boy tactics on people when they do not do as asked ,a good example try filming one when your out and about ,try filming them arresting someone they will `in the main tell you ,you can't film them ask you for your name(even though you have not committed an offence and there's no intention to arrest you, obstruct your vision and generally try to harass you into moving on even though you are not breaking any laws ,if I was out and saw a pig in trouble and they needed immediate help ,I would not even waste a free phone call to save them.

In an ideal world laws .justice and law enforcement should be fair and equal ,however all of these things are so disjointed that the law really is an ars-e and corrupt from top to bottom ,another quick comparison if some fat blonde bird with 3 kids ,and on benefits went out for a meal ,left the kids at home ,one disappeared most people would rightly in my opinion want those kids removed from her.
 But if you aren't council house scum ,are in the main middle class and working for a large organisation and the same thing happens to you ,you get millions to keep plod looking into the case ,A sniffer dog identifies something in the car that should just not be there ,you get treated like heroes, how is that so called justice.

you mean the war on drugs guy , that is imo the way to deal with those I mentioned above ,for certain crimes the only person who see any form of justice is the rapist ,kiddie fiddler or murderer ,in the case of sexual assault the victim never gets justice ,buries that stuff deep down knowing that no matter what happens only the bastard that attacked them will get looked after by the law and legal system in this country ,whereas the victims will get left to their own devices living a life of fear ,never being able to relax when out and a stranger appears close by ,or even a funny accent in a pub can be enough to trigger them back to the past ,so I will say it again the law ,the law makers ,the so called enforcers ,the courts have again left the victim with no justice or felling's that they will be ok ,instead the criminal will get looked after 3 meals a day and generally be left alone to plot their next attack.

So yes I have very strong unbendable beliefs in how certain crime should be addressed ,love my country and my birth town ,but not too keen on modern life ,not keen on the way the filth selectively choose which crimes to work on ,hate the way the filth close ranks and lie when caught only for the toothless masses to believe everything they or others in authority tell them ,again no confusion there ,oh and if a job was advertised for a hangman I would be at the front of the queue after all what other job would be that easy and give you so much job satisfaction.

I will also repeat before helping others we should help those born and bred here ,or those who have become citizens of this country before anyone else, I will also say  as I have always said leave other countries to their own laws and rule ,not force our twisted western morals on them  again no confusion here

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Intersting choice of words with regards to regimes ,do people who live in democracies not suffer like those from undemocratic countries ,take each comparison i made about plod then show me where no one suffers in this demcratic union we live in ,do victims of sex crime ever get justice the simple answer is no ,because criminals have more rights than their victims.

I'm not advocating anarchy as that system will never work in this country ,but funny you should use that as an example as that is exactly how a large perportion of people live ,already commiting crimes as long as it isn't against a company the law generally don't look too hard for the criminals who house break ,have you been burgeld and did you think you ever saw a fair amount of justice ,you say my views arn't compatible with living here ,again an example of people like yourself saying oh you don't agree with me so you are in the wrong.

I find your final sentance very obscure for someone who comes across the way you do ,if i'm an embaressment to our forefathers then i will gladly carry that title around with me given our history of oppresion of other countries ,slavery ,war crimes ,so yes im very glad if i am an embarresment to some of our forefathers.

I also find your first paragraph a little on the strange side as you say seek change through the ballot box ,then in another thread say you have no one to vote for ,surely someone as a believer in the so called democrasy we live in ,it would be wrong not to exercise your right to vote ,which was won by our forefathers in a very undemocratic and violent way.

You say you will defend my right to express my views freely somehow i have my doubts that you mean that the way you come across like many others is i will defend your right to freedom of expression as long as everyone agrees with you.

I will never understand people who feel that kiddie fiddlers ,rapists and murderers ,should not suffer greatly for their crimes ,why should they be allowed to live a relatively comfortable life ,whilst their victims have a lifetime of issues.

Tell me where in the examples of the law i gave in my previous posts was there any fairness in the way the law was applied. from what you have written about the laws i will tip my hat in your direction as you imply that never once have you broken any laws applicable to this country.

Hugo point me to where i said plod make laws and i will amend it as it was not intentional ,what i said was plod are selective in who and what they charge ,simply put this is more evident these days because more people will film them ,they will continualy close ranks when some are identified doing wrong ,you just need to look at some more recent cases ,many death in custody ,many violent assaults ,just look at the bristol guy who was foolish enough to work alongside then on race relations tasered in the face illegally ,cop get away with it ,senior offices backing her up ,a few days later she arrested someone else before giving him a chance to move his car , just one of many examples.

Do you really think if your house was burgled (hope you never have to go through that) and a coppers house was burgled at the same time ,who do you think will get priority ,people are supposed to be treated equally by plod but seldom are ,do you know anyone who has been targeted by plod just for their political beliefs which were legal beliefs in this country ,if you did i think your views might change somewhat.

Lets look at it another way plod arresting someone ,person is being hit choked ,held in a stress position ,not fighting back would you ring anbd report that assult ,another scenario person on mem pitch being laid into by two coppers ,effectively beating the guy with a big metal stick ,another copper then runs a quarter the legbth of the pitch getting his/her baton ready to join in the beating ,what would you do about it.

Maybe if the filth cleaned up their ranks and treated everybody fairly then i would change my views ,the police should police the same across england and (im purposely leaving out scotland and northern ireland as their laws are somewhat different) ,if you travel around this country you will soon see a vast difference in the way the police act and interact with people.

I've helped many a person in distress over the years but due to the way i've been treated by plod i just wouldn't help them.

Inee I 100% agree with your views on ritually slaughtered meat but sadly and disgracefully it is sneaked into the food chain at many supermarkets, takeaways and restaurants without being labelled or the consumer being told so they cannot make an informed choice as to eat this meat.

I am sure if you feel as strongly as I do about this disgusting meat that is foisted on the majority to appease a minority you will know how to avoid eating it.If you are a parent with children at school it is unavoidable as halal is the only option in most schools.Weirdly it is foisted on schools with no muslim pupils as it is too much hassle to cater for the majority who do not wish to eat it.

The Education authorities are afraid to act on parents concerns for fear of being labelled racist by the white liberal types who think diversity means we all be sensitive to Islam and its vile customs and values and dont ban halal for fear of a backlash from Guardian readers.