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Post by pirate on Jul 26, 2018 1:15:06 GMT
Inee I 100% agree with your views on ritually slaughtered meat but sadly and disgracefully it is sneaked into the food chain at many supermarkets, takeaways and restaurants without being labelled or the consumer being told so they cannot make an informed choice as to eat this meat. I am sure if you feel as strongly as I do about this disgusting meat that is foisted on the majority to appease a minority you will know how to avoid eating it.If you are a parent with children at school it is unavoidable as halal is the only option in most schools.Weirdly it is foisted on schools with no muslim pupils as it is too much hassle to cater for the majority who do not wish to eat it. The Education authorities are afraid to act on parents concerns for fear of being labelled racist by the white liberal types who think diversity means we all be sensitive to Islam and its vile customs and values and dont ban halal for fear of a backlash from Guardian readers. There are many "vile customs and values" about. What are your views on Kapparot, where some Orthodox Jews swing chickens above their heads, recite prayers to transfer the practitioner's sins to the birds and then slit their throats? Or the practice known as 'Metzitzah b'Peh', or 'oral suction circumcisions' which have caused some babies to contract herpes and even some to die as result?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 4:46:40 GMT
Inee I 100% agree with your views on ritually slaughtered meat but sadly and disgracefully it is sneaked into the food chain at many supermarkets, takeaways and restaurants without being labelled or the consumer being told so they cannot make an informed choice as to eat this meat. I am sure if you feel as strongly as I do about this disgusting meat that is foisted on the majority to appease a minority you will know how to avoid eating it.If you are a parent with children at school it is unavoidable as halal is the only option in most schools.Weirdly it is foisted on schools with no muslim pupils as it is too much hassle to cater for the majority who do not wish to eat it. The Education authorities are afraid to act on parents concerns for fear of being labelled racist by the white liberal types who think diversity means we all be sensitive to Islam and its vile customs and values and dont ban halal for fear of a backlash from Guardian readers. There are many "vile customs and values" about. What are your views on Kapparot, where some Orthodox Jews swing chickens above their heads, recite prayers to transfer the practitioner's sins to the birds and then slit their throats? Or the practice known as 'Metzitzah b'Peh', or 'oral suction circumcisions' which have caused some babies to contract herpes and even some to die as result? I can't say I know much about what goes on regarding the Jewish faith, but what I do know is that their practices are not being foisted upon me.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 26, 2018 5:35:34 GMT
Battery farms.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 6:55:28 GMT
OMG!!!! How many Bunnies have to die to make them Duracell batteries eh? Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 7:15:40 GMT
Foie Gras
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 8:49:46 GMT
I take it by your comments that you have never lived in country where the rule of law is not applied democratically? If not I will pull rank on you and state that I have, not only was it a near fascist state but a theocracy at that. As for the demand for justice for sex crimes, your allegation of greater rights than the victim is preposterous. The truth is your version of justice is revenge, an idea that we, in the UK, moved away from centuries ago. Rather strangely your view absolutely corresponds to the Sharia Law version of justice where revenge is absolutely the response. Contradictory to your view of Islam? Totally. But absolutists share a common thread. Autocracy. The fundamental point you are making, again, is that you are not happy with the legislature, the executive and the judiciary. The separation of these three fundamental pillars of government are essential to a healthy democracy (as you probably believe, correctly, in a theocracy, Islamic or otherwise, they are not) As citizens it is absolutely correct that we do not, cannot influence or undermine the independence of the Judiciary. Our role is to vote in the legislature, the executive role is to govern by the rules passed by the legislature, it is the Judiciary to interpret and then apply the tariff when those laws are broken. Independently. To change the rules you vote in the government to just that. If you lose the vote you accept, in a democracy, the outcome. You appear not to. That is my friend anarchy at best, criminal at worst. I refer to my previous comment. The UK did not end up a making a reasonable stab at democracy by accident. In our past many people were killed (The Peterloo Massacre) deported (Tolpuddle Martyrs), stripped of livelihoods (Union Membership) or willingly died for the cause (Suffragette). Whilst I completely share your views on the disgrace of empire as we acted it out, that is not what I am talking about and you know it. Its the hard won rights of the "ordinary" citizen, a description you and I share, that your views the people who enabled those rights would be embarrassed by. The "no one to vote for" refers to Brexit, where all political parties and protagonists on both sides of the debate are a disgrace. Vote I will given the opportunity, but the way this is going I very much doubt that I will be allowed to given that our Parliamentary legislature has been hijacked by 40 or so hard right extremists in the Tory Party and opposed by a few idiots in the Labour Party. Absolutely wrong. I quote Voltaire and believe in it with a passion. Time and time again, the more one allows extremists the exposure to express their views, the more the fool they make of themselves. You may recall Nick Griffin on question time. Made an utter fool of himself and destroyed his vile party. Lovely. Don't jump out of your pram about the inference that you are an extremist, I don't know that. But you do come across as angry, and may I say confused. Easy prey for the extremists in politics. Your life experiences are your own and not for me to interpret. As for myself I have lived in three countries during the course of my life. I Have never knowingly or willingly broken the law in two (I did get a speeding ticket (once) in the UK, does that count?). I did willingly and knowingly break the law in one, by being in possession and distributing a UK publication that was highly critical of the regime there. The secret police (laughingly not so secret, actually came up to my office desk and demanded I hand over the original. I did. But they were to thick to not understand I worked for Xerox, a reprographics company. Black and white copies were already in circulation) It was that well known ultra left publication, The Economist. Laugh? we all did) I hope this helps you understand my viewpoint and why I object to yours.
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Post by jaggas on Jul 26, 2018 9:10:56 GMT
What an ill thought out comparison as you rush to defend halal meat. free range is labelled as such so the consumer can make an informed choice based on their principles on whether to purchase it or not. That is not the case with halal products.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 26, 2018 9:44:08 GMT
What an ill thought out comparison as you rush to defend halal meat. Non free range is labelled as such so the consumer can make an informed choice based on their principles on whether to purchase it or not. That is not the case with halal products. I'm not rushing to defend anything. I'm pointing out hypocrisy in saying this way of treating animals like sh** is worse than this other way of treating animals like sh**. I'm not arsed at all about halal meat. They can bless it all they like, it still tastes like chicken. If you are that bothered, just eat sausages.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 10:29:08 GMT
What an ill thought out comparison as you rush to defend halal meat. Non free range is labelled as such so the consumer can make an informed choice based on their principles on whether to purchase it or not. That is not the case with halal products. I'm not rushing to defend anything. I'm pointing out hypocrisy in saying this way of treating animals like sh** is worse than this other way of treating animals like sh**. I'm not arsed at all about halal meat. They can bless it all they like, it still tastes like chicken. If you are that bothered, just eat sausages. Or don't buy it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 26, 2018 11:02:08 GMT
I'm not rushing to defend anything. I'm pointing out hypocrisy in saying this way of treating animals like sh** is worse than this other way of treating animals like sh**. I'm not arsed at all about halal meat. They can bless it all they like, it still tastes like chicken. If you are that bothered, just eat sausages. Or don't buy it. No, I think the point that's being made that I do understand is that there is no choice. It's not regulated or labelled in the same way the battery/free range is. For example, KFC only do halal meat. It's not labelled and there is no choice. I still don't see what difference it would make if KFC sold battery chicken as both are cruel. It still would not be labelled and still would not be a choice but is somehow better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 11:09:24 GMT
No, I think the point that's being made that I do understand is that there is no choice. It's not regulated or labelled in the same way the battery/free range is. For example, KFC only do halal meat. It's not labelled and there is no choice. I still don't see what difference it would make if KFC sold battery chicken as both are cruel. It still would not be labelled and still would not be a choice but is somehow better. I would go a step further. I would say consumers should stop being so effing stupid and take responsibility themselves for what they eat. KFC products are unhealthy sh**, Halal or not. As an example. Buy your own food, cook your own food, know what you are eating. It's easy
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 26, 2018 11:10:27 GMT
No, I think the point that's being made that I do understand is that there is no choice. It's not regulated or labelled in the same way the battery/free range is. For example, KFC only do halal meat. It's not labelled and there is no choice. I still don't see what difference it would make if KFC sold battery chicken as both are cruel. It still would not be labelled and still would not be a choice but is somehow better. I would go a step further. I would say consumers should stop being so effing stupid and take responsibility themselves for what they eat. KFC products are unhealthy sh**, Halal or not. As an example. Buy your own food, cook your own food, know what you are eating. It's easy I do love their burritos though.
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Post by jaggas on Jul 26, 2018 11:19:50 GMT
No, I think the point that's being made that I do understand is that there is no choice. It's not regulated or labelled in the same way the battery/free range is. For example, KFC only do halal meat. It's not labelled and there is no choice. I still don't see what difference it would make if KFC sold battery chicken as both are cruel. It still would not be labelled and still would not be a choice but is somehow better. Some kfc stores are non halal so again if you look into it you can buy non halal kfc.Nandos is the same check the website and you will find the non halal restaurants.The Nandos local to me is in an area with very few if any Muslims yet the chicken served there is halal which makes no sense. The point you both seem to be missing is halal meat is in the general food chain and is not being labelled as such.This is disgraceful as this meat is slaughtered in a way to satisfy 5% of the people who live in the UK.Their book says if halal is not available they can eat the meat on offer so there is a simple solution. Your attitude of eat sausages instead shows how dim the pair of you are.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 26, 2018 11:36:26 GMT
No, I think the point that's being made that I do understand is that there is no choice. It's not regulated or labelled in the same way the battery/free range is. For example, KFC only do halal meat. It's not labelled and there is no choice. I still don't see what difference it would make if KFC sold battery chicken as both are cruel. It still would not be labelled and still would not be a choice but is somehow better. Some kfc stores are non halal so again if you look into it you can buy non halal kfc.Nandos is the same check the website and you will find the non halal restaurants.The Nandos local to me is in an area with very few if any Muslims yet the chicken served there is halal which makes no sense. The point you both seem to be missing is halal meat is in the general food chain and is not being labelled as such.This is disgraceful as this meat is slaughtered in a way to satisfy 5% of the people who live in the UK.Their book says if halal is not available they can eat the meat on offer so there is a simple solution. Your attitude of eat sausages instead shows how dim the pair of you are. I was being genuine. Im really not arsed if the meat I eat is halal or not. I genuinely can't see what difference it makes either way. It's killing another life for us to eat. I'm not defending halal, it's seems quite an odd concept to me, but the animal is dead or about to be killed whatever you do. It bothers you, so as you say, do your research and you can easily avoid eating it. Buy labelled free range meat or eat in restaurants that dont sell it. Or better still go veggie?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 11:51:06 GMT
Some kfc stores are non halal so again if you look into it you can buy non halal kfc.Nandos is the same check the website and you will find the non halal restaurants.The Nandos local to me is in an area with very few if any Muslims yet the chicken served there is halal which makes no sense. The point you both seem to be missing is halal meat is in the general food chain and is not being labelled as such.This is disgraceful as this meat is slaughtered in a way to satisfy 5% of the people who live in the UK.Their book says if halal is not available they can eat the meat on offer so there is a simple solution. Your attitude of eat sausages instead shows how dim the pair of you are. I was being genuine. Im really not arsed if the meat I eat is halal or not. I genuinely can't see what difference it makes either way. It's killing another life for us to eat. I'm not defending halal, it's seems quite an odd concept to me, but the animal is dead or about to be killed whatever you do. It bothers you, so as you say, do your research and you can easily avoid eating it. Buy labelled free range meat or eat in restaurants that dont sell it. Or better still go veggie?Wash your mouth out! How very dare you !
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 26, 2018 11:56:37 GMT
I was being genuine. Im really not arsed if the meat I eat is halal or not. I genuinely can't see what difference it makes either way. It's killing another life for us to eat. I'm not defending halal, it's seems quite an odd concept to me, but the animal is dead or about to be killed whatever you do. It bothers you, so as you say, do your research and you can easily avoid eating it. Buy labelled free range meat or eat in restaurants that dont sell it. Or better still go veggie?Wash your mouth out! How very dare you ! Heh heh. I was veggie for like 12 years or something, mainly because of animal cruelty and conditions. Then I realized they were still killing animals despite my best efforts and that bacon is delicious.
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Post by baggins on Jul 26, 2018 12:29:48 GMT
No, I think the point that's being made that I do understand is that there is no choice. It's not regulated or labelled in the same way the battery/free range is. For example, KFC only do halal meat. It's not labelled and there is no choice. I still don't see what difference it would make if KFC sold battery chicken as both are cruel. It still would not be labelled and still would not be a choice but is somehow better. Some kfc stores are non halal so again if you look into it you can buy non halal kfc.Nandos is the same check the website and you will find the non halal restaurants.The Nandos local to me is in an area with very few if any Muslims yet the chicken served there is halal which makes no sense. The point you both seem to be missing is halal meat is in the general food chain and is not being labelled as such.This is disgraceful as this meat is slaughtered in a way to satisfy 5% of the people who live in the UK.Their book says if halal is not available they can eat the meat on offer so there is a simple solution. Your attitude of eat sausages instead shows how dim the pair of you are. They all die, to serve a purpose, and none of the choices is particularly pleasant. Nice of you to label them dim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 12:54:51 GMT
Some kfc stores are non halal so again if you look into it you can buy non halal kfc.Nandos is the same check the website and you will find the non halal restaurants.The Nandos local to me is in an area with very few if any Muslims yet the chicken served there is halal which makes no sense. The point you both seem to be missing is halal meat is in the general food chain and is not being labelled as such.This is disgraceful as this meat is slaughtered in a way to satisfy 5% of the people who live in the UK.Their book says if halal is not available they can eat the meat on offer so there is a simple solution. Your attitude of eat sausages instead shows how dim the pair of you are. They all die, to serve a purpose, and none of the choices is particularly pleasant. Nice of you to label them dim. Ha ha, coming from Jaggas I took it as a compliment. Is beef sold in Kuwait??
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Post by baggins on Jul 26, 2018 12:56:36 GMT
They all die, to serve a purpose, and none of the choices is particularly pleasant. Nice of you to label them dim. Ha ha, coming from Jaggas I took it as a compliment. Is beef sold in Kuwait?? No, only women.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 12:59:06 GMT
Ha ha, coming from Jaggas I took it as a compliment. Is beef sold in Kuwait?? No, only women. Ah, that's why Jaggas knows so much about that country😂
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